Superman Returns

[Metallo]

Agreed.

[adam15]

Oh oh oh... there was a GREAT fell good buzz in SUperman Returns!! It was the sequence where Clark is BOOZIN' it up in the bar complaining about shit and nursing a beer with his merry fairy pumkin pie ole' mate Jimmy. Then he see the plane and runs off to save the day. Oh I LOVE the part where he RIPS OPEN HIS SHIRT IT WAS AWESOME (awesome how they CGI'ed ROuth's hands to digitally open his shirt for a sequence that is blink and you miss it) Then this cgi flying brownie frownie turd with Routh's face plastered on it catches the plane says THE SAME line that Reeves's ALREADY SAID said 30 years earlier and baskes in the accolades that a crowd is giving him like a smug little supie dupie dude dumbass donkey dickweed dimwit devious devil.

EVERY TIME I see this scene I feel all warm and fuzzy

[Deleted]

Yeah, I feel that kind of buzzy high after watching SR. It ain't the same as STM, it's a different one, as they are different movies made by different casts and crews, but I definitely have a feeling of, "Wow...yeah...that was alllllllllright...." and just kinda sit there watching the credits. And you better damn well believe it was like that but to the Nth degree after watching it for the first time ever opening night.

I can't make it seem like this movie is gold or a masterpiece or that everyone should love it, I just think there are some truly amazing moments in the movie that REALLY pleased me as a Superman fan and an STM fan. And I watched it a LOT when it first came out on DVD. Like twice a week almost, I'd have someone over who'd wanna watch it, so I would! And EVERY time it'd give me that happy satisfaction feeling that you're asking about.

I haven't watched SR in a long time either. I really wonder if they're gonna do a director's cut or something?

[MAVERICK]

Aye, what Kev said.
But goes even more for me. ;D

[crazy_asian_man]

When you see a superman movie you want the feel good factor and an adrenaline rush

One of the times I went to see SR, there was an arsehole in the audience who was loud, bitching and moaning about what a stupid movie it was- and ruinining for everyone around him. Confronting that arsehole and telling him to please not ruin the film experience for me or I'd ram my fist down his throat.... that gave me a feel good factor and an adrenaline rush.

[Keith]

Dec 12, 2008 14:25:22 GMT -5 crazy_asian_man said:

When you see a superman movie you want the feel good factor and an adrenaline rush

One of the times I went to see SR, there was an arsehole in the audience who was loud, bitching and moaning about what a stupid movie it was- and ruinining for everyone around him. Confronting that arsehole and telling him to please not ruin the film experience for me or I'd ram my fist down his throat.... that gave me a feel good factor and an adrenaline rush.

DAHAHAHAHA!! That would give me a feel good factor and an adrenaline rush too lol.

Made me think back in the 90's when I seen a Jackie Chan movie when he first started getting big in America, I was so fascinated by the martial arts n shit and the adrenaline rush that I got after watching his fights that I walked out of the theater wanting to kick someones ass like that lmao.

[stargazer01]

Dec 9, 2008 19:13:56 GMT -5 Christopher said:

When you see a superman movie you want the feel good factor and an adrenaline rush, are there any moments like that in SR for people? Me personally i enjoyed the movie but it didnt give me a "buzz". In STM from the opening credits, supermans first appearance and the helicopter sequence are but a few scenes that after 30 years still make you go WOW. And this is not a question about special effects, SR beats STM in that department (but not all occasions). The helicopter sequence in STM is quite short but its written well and put together right, and along with the music it ROCKS. In SR the plane sequence is longer, looks better but for me nowhere near hits the spot,

When I watch a Superman movie I want to feel inspired, deeply moved, entertained and just blown away by the experience. It really is a type of film on a category of its own I think, there is nothing quite like it. And luckily, I got all that with Superman Returns. It is my favorite Superman film and one of my top favorite films of all time. I was not expecting it, but it is.

I also love STM. I think it's a wonderful and magical movie. Donner definitely got the character and his essence right. But there are things about it that make me cringe and ruin part of the film for me......yes, the very campy villains. There are also some plot holes in it that bother the heck out of me. I also cringe a little with some parts of SR, but much less than with STM. And no, I'm not talking about the special effects. But as a whole, these are the best Superman films we have so far, and they are really, really good, IMO.

And nostalgia aside, the plane rescue is to me the best action sequence in a superhero film. There are scenes in SR that are so sublime and mindblowing that no other superhero film can touch, IMO. The film is full of subtext and tons of layers that make me think... a lot (like Metallo said). I realize this film is not for everybody, but it works for me in a big way.

There is so much I could say about this film, but I'm not that good with words. But here is a link to a review that clearly expresses how I feel about SR: www.cinemablend.com/reviews/Superman-Returns-1626.html


Here is some parts of it:

Others have tried, but Bryan Singer has truly captured exactly what a Superman movie is supposed to be. Gone is even the smallest vestige of camp or tongue-in-cheek, in its place is a smart story about thinking, feeling people. One of those people just happens to be a god. Godlike is exactly what Superman is in this film, in a way he's never been before. He's Atlas, carrying the world on his shoulders. He's almighty Zeus, hurling thunderbolts at antlike mortal men. Kevin Spacey's Lex Luthor compares his fight with Superman to the ancient story of Prometheus, and when he does so it's not just a parable, he means it. So does Superman Returns.

But how do audiences identify with a god? How can we root for someone almost completely free of human weaknesses or foibles? There's one thing both mortals and immortals have in common: Even gods fall in love.

As the movie develops it takes on almost a lyrical quality. It's at first bittersweet and filled with longing, but by the end Superman Returns is an uplifting experience punctuated by unexpected meaning and depth. This isn't Spider-Man, and Superman will never be a troubled everyman. Superman stands for something big. He's almost a force of nature. He's hope in the face of utter despair. He's more of a symbol than a man, yet Singer finds soul within Superman's "S". Superman's nigh invulnerable, but he's not invincible.

What's best about Superman Returns is that it's a deeply personal story with global significance. Superman is searching for something in the universe. He abandons Earth to go looking for it, and finds only a graveyard instead. When he returns the things he thought he had to come home to have been turned upside down, and he's left still looking for whatever it is that he's missing. Carried by a maelstrom of soul searching emotional turmoil, the Man of Steel is back with all the passion and heartfelt power that American cinema can muster. Bryan blends his beautiful vision with an elegant, intimate story and the result is a work of real art. By the end of the film Superman has found what he's missing, and like his return to cinemas, it was worth the wait. Now that it's here, Superman Returns deserves to be seen again, and again, and again.

[stargazer01]

Dec 10, 2008 1:44:44 GMT -5 crazy_asian_man said:

Even though SR had Singer's name attached to it, I was worried whether or not the film could/would work with a complete unknown.... and how SR would be faithful to what I thought Superman was (Basically a superpowered boy scout), but engage me as a moviegoer and get me emotionally invested in the character.

As soon as the starship fell out of the skies, with all the delicacy taken in the storytelling - and as soon as Routh spoke about returning to Krypton, I knew the movie (and the character) was in safe hands, and I just had this GIANT sigh of relief that I wouldn't be convincing myself I liked the movie just because of Singer's good intentions, but that he really nailed how to make the character (in essence) based on the mold that Reeve/Donner made for Supes---- and yet update him to this generation at the same time.

STM had a great 'buzz' over certain scenes, but the reversing time ending has always felt flat- like seeing the flaw in someone you thought was perfect. You accept it because everything else is great--- whereas with SR, the ending was incredibly moving to me, and I did have a 'feel good' moment in a different way than the best of STM's scenes.

STM always appeals to the inner 7 year old; SR appeals/appealed to me as a cynical old man. It showed a harsher view of the world Superman lives in, and in its way, it made Superman's sense of hope shine even brighter than the Donner film.

Would I have enjoyed SR as a 14 year old, though? I don't know.... it may have been too intense and not enough action at that age. As an adult, though, SR feels far more like a great science fiction film whereas STM appeals as a great fantasy film. I love 'em both, but in different ways- and love that they are (sortof) connected.

Ah, great post, CAM. I agree with everything, especially the bolded parts. It'd be fantastic if all of us who enjoy both movies could meet some day and watch them together.....*sigh* I can imagine that.

[Matt in the Hat]

As an SR hater, I'll say that the only scene that makes for a good "tingly" moment, is when Superman pulls the broken ship up out of the water.

Agree?

[Jimbo]

I liked that moment, but I really liked him stopping the plane more.

As a really bizarre tie-in, I had a dream identical to those events. I was a superhero, a plane was crashing onto a baseball game, and I caught it just before crashing. The only difference was that I lifted it back into the air instead of setting it down. This was around 2002, no joke. So I was really freaked out when I saw that on the big screen.

[EvilSupes]

I prefer the end parts of the movie, there were more moments in that for me that made me feel like I was watching a Superman movie. Namely the parts where Supes is catching the daily planet globe, picking up the boat, crashing through the sea with his heat vision and picking up new krypton. Those parts really captured the right emotion for me.

[Legsy]

I love dreams, I'm always Superman in my dreams. But, y'know what I hate? Dreams where I'm not Superman and I'm fighting someone and I can punch worth a crap. I'm just moving in slow motion and I'm getting my arse kicked. Thems are bad.

[Jimbo]

It means you want to bang your mother.

[Legsy]

If my mother looked like Keeley Hazell, sure.

And, no. I don't have an Oedipus Complex.

[Jimbo]

Dec 18, 2008 14:29:02 GMT -5 Legsy said:

...my mother...sure.

...I...have an Oedipus Complex.

[Legsy]

YOU SWINE!

I DIDN'T SAY THAT!

[Christopher]

I've had plenty of dreams that im superman but i cant fly over water and i always struggle to fly uphill?

[Jimbo]

I really should learn to write mine down. I've had some pretty awesome ones. Movie-quality, to be sure.

Lucid dreams are the best. When you're half awake and your memory remains vivid afterwards.

[Legsy]

Really? I love the feeling of flying in my dreams. I actually feel the wind and get that free-falling feeling in my gut. Dreams are awesome. I think I'll start a dreams thread at the Diner.

[Legsy]

Dec 18, 2008 18:20:23 GMT -5 Jimbo said:

I really should learn to write mine down. I've had some pretty awesome ones. Movie-quality, to be sure.

Lucid dreams are the best. When you're half awake and your memory remains vivid afterwards.

You should.

[stargazer01]

Dec 18, 2008 1:30:17 GMT -5 Matt in the Hat said:

As an SR hater, I'll say that the only scene that makes for a good "tingly" moment, is when Superman pulls the broken ship up out of the water.

Agree?

That scene is fantastic, but there are others that surpass it.

Agree? ;D

[Christopher]

That scene is prob the closest it gets to a good feeling moment than any other scene in the movie for me

[EnriqueH]

blog.wired.com/underwire/2009/01/top-10-evil-com.html

[Ollie W]

10) The Ultimate Computer (Superman III): Though encumbered by a silly "Superman split personality" plot and a cocaine-buzzed Richard Pryor, this 1983 sequel is still more entertaining than Bryan Singer's overwrought Superman Returns mess. And the movie's concluding threat, Robert Vaughn's Ultimate Computer, provides a fun and convincing foe for The Man of Steel.

[MAVERICK]

Thats sad.

Its as if whoever wrote the article, included SIII just so they could slam SR, even if it meant saying with a straight face that SIII is better than SR.