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Post by stargazer01 on Feb 25, 2010 17:32:55 GMT -5
nope, not for me. can't stand welling or smallville. he does not look like superman to me. i stand by my word. That's a bit extreme isn't it? I mean I'm a Smallville fan myself and I didn't boycott SR nor would I have boycotted any SR sequels. I can accept both Welling and Routh, they're completely different versions of the character. Isn't there room for more than one interpretation (ie. the Donnerverse one)? I've said this before but heaven help whoever's cast as the new Superman. He will feel the wrath of both Welling and Routh fans. Beware the internet, my friend. Of course I'm still not sure what's true and what's not at this point. It's gone back and forth on the Nolan and Goyer stories both so I'll wait for an official announcement. AGREED, manetoys. Casting Welling in a Superman movie would be like casting Zac Efron or Robert Pattinson for me = Total turn Off If I liked Welling enough, I'd be waching him for free in Smallville, but I"m not.
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Post by belloq on Feb 25, 2010 17:41:44 GMT -5
As a long-time LOST fan, I think Evangeline Lilly would be pretty bad as Lois. I'm not sure quite what it is, but something about her really sucks. She just doesn't have any screen presence whatsoever. Don't know who would make a good Lois IMO. Not a lot of charming young actresses out there right now. Isla Fisher maybe.
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Post by botz1 on Feb 25, 2010 18:20:39 GMT -5
Agreed, i want Routh back also...Curious though, how would the Hulk reboot have been if they kept Eric Bana? ?
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Post by Jimbo on Feb 25, 2010 18:24:30 GMT -5
Since Ed Norton did a lot of uncredited rewrites, it would have been vastly different.
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Post by botz1 on Feb 25, 2010 18:25:06 GMT -5
Lois Lane=Rachel Mc Adams Awesome choice...I love Mc Adams How about Rachel Bilson?? To short maybe??
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Post by botz1 on Feb 25, 2010 18:29:31 GMT -5
Since Ed Norton did a lot of uncredited rewrites, it would have been vastly different. IMO i think the hulk reboot is the best out of allllll the superhero movies, mad action, good story, great believable effects, etc. Ironman close second... MOS needs CGI villian!!
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Post by Jimbo on Feb 25, 2010 18:34:00 GMT -5
Amy Adams could be a good Lois too.
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Post by belloq on Feb 25, 2010 18:37:16 GMT -5
i think The Incredible Hulk is damned near perfect. right up there w/STM, BB, and TDK imo. Norton rewrites aside, don't think it would've worked at all with Bana back in the role simply because the new one contradicted the Ang Lee story so much, and as much as I hate to say it, I guess I feel the same way about Superman right now: if the new incarnation contradicts SR's story and mythology, then give me a new actor as well. I think Routh is an amazing choice for Superman, but that doesn't mean that there aren't other actors out there who'd be equally great.
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Post by MerM on Feb 25, 2010 20:07:57 GMT -5
You know something... the more I think about this, the more I look forward to it.
Ok, I would like it if Routh returns, but other than that, it seems like they're taking this in the direction that we'd all like it to go - supervillains, Superman actually THROWING PUNCHES at said supervillains, no origin story bullcrap, no tying up of ends that nobody seems to agree on (I like the addition of Jason, but I can understand how others would disagree).
And they've got a draft for Batman 3! The ball's rolling on it! How awesome is that?
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Post by botz1 on Feb 25, 2010 21:16:39 GMT -5
February 25, 2010: Confusion Reigns Over Superman Movie Rumors
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Conflicting reports from various entertainment news sites are once again doing the rounds for a Superman movie. Much like the rumors that spread before "Superman Returns" was confirmed, today IGN.com and HitFix.com add fuel to the fire. HitFix.com joins AICN in debunking the LatinoReview claim that Goyer is writing the script for a new Superman movie to be titled "The Man of Steel".
All due respect to the guys at Latino Review, who are very good at breaking scoops, but according to my source, someone who absolutely is in a position to know if this has happened, David Goyer has not been hired, and they are not moving forward at the moment.
However IGN.com maintains that Goyer is not only writing the script, he's co-writing it with Christopher Nolan's brother Jonah...
Goyer is in fact on the project, but not only that -- his The Dark Knight co-writer Jonah Nolan will also be scripting Superman: The Man of Steel along with him. Nolan's brother Christopher is expected to only executive-produce, and not direct, the film. That said, he will be "hands-on" as a producer.
Seems that the "Truth" in "Truth, Justice and the American Way" is proving to be very elusive.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- · Steve Younis on February 25, 2010 4:22pm EST· 11 Comments · 363 Reads ·
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Feb 25, 2010 23:26:46 GMT -5
I'd be open to it- IF they actually do find someone better that fits all the criteria:
One of which (especially for this board) would be: How well would the actor be accepted in filling Reeve's shoes?
A LARGE part of why I thought Routh was amazing was this: genetics.
If Reeve hadn't made such an impression over 4 movies, if the first Superman wasn't so dynamic or ingrained, I would have a hard time NOT comparing them.
Even in watching SR--- as much as I was rooting for Singer and Routh---- If it didn't work for me, then it would have fallen under the 'nice intentions, failed executions' category*. Instead, it was 'oh thank God they got enough of it right, and in parts, even better than' imo- one giant part of that was Routh....without Routh, it might have been great direction, but casting is everything imo for Superman. I hate to say it, but I would rather there be an 'ok' actor that looks PERFECT as Superman, than an extraordinary actor that you have to 'go with' in order to make the movie work. (i.e. Ben Affleck is fine as an actor, but it really takes work for me to accept him in Daredevil, despite his good intents)
((*and, yeah, I know there are those who feel it did stay in this category, too))
I just don't see the odds being very good at striking lightning yet again in trying with a new choice. My op.
((Aside: In the case of Hulk 2, I thought Eric Bana was wrong from the get-go.... and Ed Norton a far better choice, even though he's a little older than would be ideal. Pity on Ang Lee there as director as well--- as "Crouching Tiger" is a great action picture (albeit with a very slow beginning)--- a giant suprise to me that he was SO wrong for "The Hulk". ))
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Feb 25, 2010 23:30:28 GMT -5
BTW... I think it's REALLY good, but for me, not quite as good as "Iron Man" or the others mentioned- but still.... pretty damn good!
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Post by Matt in the Hat on Feb 26, 2010 0:34:46 GMT -5
TIH was alright. Maybe they should've beefed it up a bit storywise. Banner trying to kill himself was a good idea. Should've kept it in. Did anyone else hate how the "control it, use it" line in the trailer kinda blew a lot of the story, too? We shouldn't have known right away like that.
Oh and the nolan bros. = right direction. New everything and we've got a good movie.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Feb 26, 2010 2:19:56 GMT -5
If that turns out to be true (we never know until it's official.... and even then, the powers that be could fire them at any minute)--- I could definitely think of worse hands it could be under, even though I would have preferred it stay under Singer/Routh.
Ehhhh.......maybe. Only maybe. I'd have to see the final product to agree or not. Nolan doesn't know how to make a bad movie....but....
But- imagine this: what if EVERYTHING else is perfect---- but he casts- just as an example- an equivalent of a Ben Affleck or Matt Damon for the role? (Or someone that just to you personally feels slightly 'off'?)
Unlikely it will be Matt or Ben, but it's just to help (sorta) illustrate a point: if the casting of the lead role ends up with a great acting, but the actor chosen just doesn't quite feel right (subjective I know) or disappoints more than Routh- and doesn't 'feel' like the Superman you'd want---- THEN what? Is it ok if the casting fits less than it does for Routh?
That's my argument. I'm open that there may be someone out there that everyone will fall over themselves and say 'THAT'S HIM!'....but.....it just seems VERY unlikely to me.
George Reeves had different Lois Lanes, why can't we keep Routh even if nothing else stays the same?
Don't get me wrong. WHOEVER ends up in charge of the next Superman movie, if they aren't using Routh, then I hope that whoever they cast fills his and Reeve's shoes WELL.... otherwise, it may well be a good movie, but if an actor is 'ok' (i.e. how I felt about Keaton and Kilmer in their "Batman" movies) compared to Reeve and Routh's presence--- it can't help but feel disappointing. (imo)
I guess we'll all find out eventually whether or not we'll be disappointed or happy with the casting...... but, man, I wish an official announcement were here already.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2010 5:43:20 GMT -5
I'm kind of getting sick of the Reeve interpretation and the constant comparisons whenever there's a new version of Superman. I've got Reeve in four Superman movies. I'm ready for a different approach. The actor can be Superman without having Christopher damn Reeve always brandied about. Otherwise, this new attempt will fall on the uninterested general masses, be picked apart by the obsessives and continue to tire a franchise.
There was Superman before there was Reeve.
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Post by Kirok on Feb 26, 2010 9:12:39 GMT -5
i think The Incredible Hulk is damned near perfect. right up there w/STM, BB, and TDK imo. Not to get off topic but here's another vote for "The Incredible Hulk" as one of the best of the superhero lot. It's underrated and overshadowed by coming out the same summer as "Iron Man" and "The Dark Knight," but I found it to be the most enjoyable film of the three. An excellent reinvention of the character after the failed "Hulk." And to bring it all full circle here, let's hope they can do the same with the next Superman movie.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Feb 26, 2010 11:15:50 GMT -5
That's fair... What I'm saying is--- if you introduce something new from what's gone on before, it better be GREAT. Again, for my own opinion--- it's all the timing. Recasting Routh in his prime feels like a loss to not just Routh, but audiences (myself included) who want him back as Supes. Someone made the point earlier--- what if one recast Reeve right after STM? Timing. If they find someone even better that blows us all aways, of course that's fine. But right now, do they REALLY need to? And....personally, while I get where you're coming from, 4 Reeve Superman movies weren't really enough for me. Wish there were more--- and good ones, even moreso.
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Post by Valentine Smith on Feb 26, 2010 12:10:44 GMT -5
Bama, you're right. The fact remains that of those 4 Reeve movies, only one of 'em is really worth a damn. Is it upsetting that the franchise never had a consistent "Star Wars" (non-prequel) vision carrying them throughout? Of course. Is it even more upsetting that we didn't get 5 or 6 or 7 movies with Reeve as Superman between 1978-1991? Of course.
But it's time to move on.
The same people who were screaming for a continuation of the Donnerverse before SR got released are the same ones panning it now for being too much like the Donnerverse. The same ones who complained about how the previous script treatments were being made to sell toys then complained of the lack of a serious baddie and action in SR. Be careful what you wish for. 'cuz guess what, Superman Cinema fans? WE GOT IT.
I would STRONGLY PREFER Brandon Routh to return as Superman. I think the Williams music could stay. But if it takes a CLEAN BREAK to get a proper new franchise of Superman movies off the ground, then so be it.
Bring it on.
I am a SUPERMAN fan.
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Post by stargazer01 on Feb 26, 2010 12:22:40 GMT -5
Personally, I think it's extremely difficult to find a good actor who not only resembles the character, but who also embodies and inhabits him. But Brandon like Chris did/do. And George too to some people; he just wasn't my type but I liked him enough. That's rare to find. Very rare, IMO. It's like catching lighting in a bottle. But Singer found him. Sure there are plenty of big muscular guys with a square jaw out there, but they lack the magic, the presence. At least I haven't seen it so far in all of those guys that fans keep mentioning for the role. For instance, there is this guys that some fans seem to like for the role, his name is Daniel Cudmore. He's very, very tall, strong, etc; but I just dont' see Superman on him. To me he looks dumb and sort of like a caveman. lol. sorry, just don't see it. It's like an empty sheck. Here is a pic, intoxicatingscent.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/daniel-cudmore.jpgNow, compare that to this, Now, This IS Superman. Brandon is likeable. He has the voice, the presence, the look. He simply embodies him. There is something extra- The magic of Superman. To me at least. I don't see any of that in that other guy. He just looks like a Arnold schwarzenegger clon, imo. And you want muscles? Brandon has it too, lol Whatever.. WB are a bunch of monkeys as far as I'm concerned. BTW, Brandon was interviewed in the most recent Wizard mag (April 2010 edition). He talked about his upcoming movies and he also said the following about Superman: Do you read comics at all on your own?I do. I've been reading more. I don't follow anything religiously, but if somebody recommends something, I'll pick it up. Lately, I've been trying to take in more of all the different versions of Superman that exist. I just read Justice League: The New Frontier, and liked the approach where they went back to the 1950s. Will you return to the world of Superman anytime soon?It's an open book. It seems things are on the point of moving forward a little bit, because the legal issue that exists with Siegel-Shuster has been dealt with. I think they sort of have to make a movie before 2012. I know they want to have the franchise continue. And I'd be very happy to come back and continue the role.
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Post by MAVERICK on Feb 26, 2010 12:42:21 GMT -5
The same people who were screaming for a continuation of the Donnerverse before SR got released are the same ones panning it now for being too much like the Donnerverse. The same ones who complained about how the previous script treatments were being made to sell toys then complained of the lack of a serious baddie and action in SR. Be careful what you wish for. 'cuz guess what, Superman Cinema fans? WE GOT IT. EXAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACTLYI for one wished for all those things & ended up being EXTREMELY happy with the result. There are very few things that I dislike about Superman Returns, and it breaks my heart that I wont get to watch the storylines that were set up get to play out.
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Post by ye5man on Feb 26, 2010 12:43:56 GMT -5
Exactly how I feel. Very well said.
Gazer, I bet there are plenty of unknowns out there who could pick up the torch. Superman is always bigger than the actor.
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Post by Valentine Smith on Feb 26, 2010 12:55:12 GMT -5
Gazer, in many ways you're right. The hardest thing about getting me to accept a Superman movie is the guy playing Superman himself. Only 3 guys (live action, I won't include radio or animation) have nailed it for their respective eras, and that's Reeves, Reeve, and Routh.
Reeves' Superman, if you read any Superman comics from the 30s through the 60s, is absolutely, positively the guy on the page.
Reeve certainly brought out many of the more sensitive aspects of Superman introduced in the 70s, but even more impressively, by the mid-80s, artists and writers were deliberately tailoring the comic Superman to be more like the actor!
Routh managed to embody all the best aspects of post-1986 Superman, while still paying a little bit to Reeve, which I'm certain was intentional. That's a home run, to me.
But he's not irreplaceable, any more than Reeve or Reeves were. Unfortunately, he'll be a "shoulda been" not unlike Gerard Christopher was. Which is too bad, because he deserves another crack at it. And most importantly, he WANTS another crack at it.
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Post by MAVERICK on Feb 26, 2010 12:56:49 GMT -5
If I couldn't have Brandon, you know what I would really prefer? A Kingdom Come movie with THIS guy as Superman: Aside from the Machete, he looks SO fucking Superman right here: I think Fox could TOTALLY pull off the attitude that Superman has in Kingdom Come. Like in the scene where he tells Diana he has no interest in helping anymore.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Feb 26, 2010 13:09:18 GMT -5
A new actor could either be (using Bond as a comparison) either: * The equivalent of:
The next George Lazenby (who was so unpopular they brought back Connery for one more) or The next Roger Moore (who was very different from Connery but was accepted)
But if Routh WANTS to come back.... Fans WANT him to come back (except for those who don't)
WHY replace him? The people who don't like SR (except for the obsessive fans pro/con like us on the forum)--- have most likely FORGOTTEN most of SR, only perhaps registering that he was 'good' in it.
If he's in a reboot, I'd imagine most non-Superman fans would think: "Oh, it's a prequel" and not care about the details of continuity like us.
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Post by Legsy on Feb 26, 2010 13:11:30 GMT -5
He was a pretty good Racer X. He just needs to bulk up a bit. He does have the height thing going for him.
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