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Post by Valentine Smith on Jul 1, 2012 21:33:25 GMT -5
Yeah, I got some decent cash for my Batman stuff. I'm gonna hold on to all of my Action Comics single issues at least until the trade is out, and probably until closer to the movie release.
My rule right now is, if it's been collected, and I know I can score it cheap either at a con or on Amazon, and I can sell the single issues for more than the cost of the trade, well...adios!
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Post by Paul (ral) on Jul 2, 2012 5:17:14 GMT -5
Yep, Batman #1 is going for £13 alone on eBay in the UK. I wish I hadn't given my duplicates to my 2 year old now! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2012 18:24:57 GMT -5
Christ. I think I need to sell all my new 52 stuff on ebay. I don't think I'm retaining anything. Nothing's doing for me. Nothing. I give up. Sticking with old stuff. That's okay. I've only got about sixty fucking years to go through.
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Post by Valentine Smith on Jul 2, 2012 19:25:46 GMT -5
Just flip that PayPal goodness into more comics! It's like you're not even spending any money!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2012 3:19:52 GMT -5
I bought the first two floppies of Action and Superman, then got bored.
Nearly a year later, I'm buying Action for a buck cheaper each via Comixology just to read them for the heck of it. I may start back Superman, but I'm on the fence as there are other titles I want to read (and I'm on a welfare budget).
So, I'm down to Action, Smallville, Ghostbusters, The Shadow, and I've started Masters of the Universe (new DC version).
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Post by Valentine Smith on Jul 8, 2012 18:31:24 GMT -5
Skip Superman, but stick with Action.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2012 3:08:14 GMT -5
Well, I might be off of Action after Morrison is gone. Superman, well, I'm about to be done with. It's just so ... not worth the money.
So, that leaves me with Action (for a while), Ghostbusters, The Shadow (whenever Ennis gets around to doing them), and Masters of the Universe.
Are any of the Bat books worth picking up?
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Post by Valentine Smith on Jul 25, 2012 7:02:32 GMT -5
I hear that Scott Snyder's main Batman title is brilliant.
Justice League has improved dramatically. The new arc/new villain is quite good.
Flash remains my favorite of all of this stuff. And it's getting better now that they're focusing on the rogues.
Earth 2 has been excellent.
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Post by cypher85 on Jul 25, 2012 7:43:43 GMT -5
yeah, earth 2 is much better than I expected. And it's the only 0 issue that I am actually looking forward to. Seeing more of earth 2 superman should be pretty cool.
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Post by Valentine Smith on Jul 25, 2012 7:48:05 GMT -5
Actually, I may pick up more of the zero issues than books I regularly buy. It's gonna straighten out so much about the new DCU and I'm really curious how it's gonna go.
Very curious about Batgirl, Robin, Snyder's Batman, Green Arrow, and Hawkman.
Obviously, I'll be getting Action, Superman, Earth 2, JL, Flash (which also looks great), etc.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2012 8:42:41 GMT -5
I was most curious about Batman & Robin, or Red Hood.
What would be better to read? The New 52 B&R or the old continuity B&R? I've seen some paperback volumes of the old title on Amazon for cheap.
Saw Jim Lee's sketch of Superman Earth 2, and I like that costume better than what he gave us last year with the New 52 reboot.
I also want to read Superman Earth One and Batman Earth One, but I can't find them on Comixology. Amazon has a deal to get both in hardback for $25.
Also, Amazon has a release date of Aug. 7 for the first vol. of Action. Since I went digital with those and enjoy the story so much, I may pick up the collected edition to keep in the library.
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Post by cypher85 on Jul 25, 2012 8:45:38 GMT -5
Superman Earth one gets dogged on quite a bit, but I really really enjoyed it. All except for emo clarks outfit at the very very end. Vol 2 is coming out Oct 31st. Hopefully that is just as good. I think Shane Davis is an excellent artist.
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Post by Valentine Smith on Jul 25, 2012 9:46:17 GMT -5
He is, but I can't stand JMS's writing. He's a hack.
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Post by cypher85 on Jul 25, 2012 18:31:41 GMT -5
I havent read much by him, or seen any of the shows he has worked on. Just Superman : grounded (awful), and earth one (excellent IMO)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2012 3:00:22 GMT -5
So, any thoughts on Red Hood or either version of Batman & Robin?
I decided to read a pre-new52 Red Hood 6-part origin. I'm only three issues it, but it's decent. I don't hate it, but I've yet to see the end result.
I'll likely drop Superman soon so I can pick up a Bat title instead.
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Post by Kirok on Sept 18, 2012 14:57:29 GMT -5
I was never one for single issue comics. If I heard about a good run I'd just wait for the TPB. What I did have was a lot of my dad's old comics, and random comics from when I was a kid, but neither of which were true "collections" maintained with bag and board quality. But when the launch of the New 52 coincided with me and my roommate's trip to the San Diego Comic Con last year, it was the perfect storm for both of us to dive in and start collecting comics properly (the first time for me, a second round for him). Before being won over at SDCC (I was skeptical at first), I'd planned on getting just 5 books, Justice League, Action, Detective, Superman, and Batman. After being converted, I decided to get all those plus Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, Flash, Aquman, and Hawkman. Yes the New 52 is a marketing event, but a complete relaunching of all titles is historic regardless of the reasoning behind it. I'm still getting all those titles plus Earth 2, and I'm considering going back and picking up all of Nightwing's run so far as well. It is excessive? Of course! Am I buying books that I'm unsatisfied with? You bet! Isn't that a waste of time and money? Well...many of the truths we cling to depend greatly upon our own point of view.  Don't think I'm lame, but to me it's exciting to be a part of something like this from the start. 10/15 years from now when I have kids who start reading comics and I can share the complete runs of so many titles with them, it's going to make for an awesome feeling...and all the bad buys worth it! I can't bring myself to drop anything just yet, but if I did it'd be Hawkman and Earth 2. And really, if Detective Comics wasn't Detective Comics that'd be right at the top of the drop list. Thank goodness there's a new creative team finally taking over. The first arc with the Dollmaker was odd but interesting at least. Ever since that story's non-conclusion the book has been garbage. Not quite on that level, but close, are Action Comics and Superman I'm sad to say. If they weren't the books they were and Superman wasn't my favorite character, I wouldn't be subjecting myself to them month after month. Action started off GREAT but after that random tangent things took at #5 with the origin flashback things just haven't been the same. For all Morrison's talk of a Golden Age Superman, we got it for about 4 issues and then it was back to his standard off-the-wall weirdness. And while the Superman book has improved from where it was, it's still nowhere near where it should be, and I don't have much faith in Lobdell to right the ship either. Everything else I'm really liking, but if I had one overall comment to make on the New 52 it would be that they didn't take things far enough. This mixed bag of which stories happened and which didn't is far too convoluted for a new continuity that's main goal was to streamline and simplify the universe in order to be more accessible to new readers. In a lot of ways it makes it worse. A clean slate would've been the way to go. I for one would've been more excited to follow Superman and Batman's careers chronologically from the beginning and watch this new DCU build itself up in those titles and others over the span of a few years. The main problem with that approach of course is that you'd lose half the books dependent on being spin-offs of the "core" titles; no Supergirl, Superboy, Batgirl, Nightwing, Teen Titans, etc. There's a pretty easy solution for all that though: set those books in the future and the "core" books in the present. They'd eventually meet somewhere in the middle, but that'd be the best of both worlds IMO. So call me a schmuck but I'll continue to support and enjoy (most of) the New 52. Hopefully not all of you guys will give up on it so we can have something to talk about here, haha. |
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Post by Kirok on Sept 25, 2012 0:19:09 GMT -5
So, any opinions on these Zero Issues?
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Post by Kirok on Sept 29, 2012 18:58:19 GMT -5
I have some! Here's my rundown of the 20 issues I read during Zero Month! (I picked up a few outside of my normal subscriptions just out of curiosity):
Action Comics: Takes us back to the time period this title was originally advertised as taking place in, and a time I'd like to see more of. Enjoyed the tie-in to an earlier backup story about Clark ordering his Superman t-shirts. The main plot about a boy who takes Superman's cape and uses it for good is everything that a Superman story should be, inspiring and heartwarming. The backup story on the other hand is confusing in that it builds up its mystery narrator all the way to the end until he is revealed as...? Yeah, I didn't know who he was nor do I remember it now (or cared to look it up for that matter). Unless it's a name readers will immediately recognize, don't build it up and make it the supposed payoff to the story.
Detective Comics: A fairly standard tale set during Bruce's early training. Assumably here is where he learned to guard his heart (much in the same way as James Bond in "Casino Royale"). Not sure if I entirely buy this particular incident as being THE defining factor, but I'll go along with the idea. So average, but compared to most of what "Detective" has had to offer in the New 52, average is brilliant. The backup story with Alfred outshines the main story though, showing how loyal the old butler really is, and setting up a possible future foe in the Kane family (which I never knew was Martha's maiden name).
Earth 2: Mr. Terrific vs. the Trinity. An okay story, always nice to see someone who can outwit Batman. Just continues to make me wish Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman hadn't been killed off in the first issue. A shame the title will be jumping back to "present day" in the next issue, as this time period is really the most fertile ground for story. An interesting parallel universe, yes, but still not the Golden Age "Earth 2" I was hoping for.
Green Lantern: A bold move introducing a Muslim Green Lantern, but with the ring's "error" stemming from the events of the Annual, one has to wonder how that affects its choice of Baz. Some of the terrorist and Guantanamo Bay stuff was a bit uncomfortable, but I suppose that was the point. Not sure where this story is headed, and really not sure why it was told in a Zero Issue. A Sinestro or Hal Jordan tale would have been more appropriate seeing as they're, you know, the stars of the book. Sinestro's initial turn against the Green Lanterns, perhaps?
Worlds' Finest: My favorite issue of anything Earth 2 related thus far, mainly because it features characters I care about and can actually recognize (Superman, Batman, etc.). Got a "Superman/Batman: Generations" vibe here as well with all the familial relations. I haven't and won't be picking up the monthly anytime soon though. Still irks me there's a book for this but no "Batman/Superman" anymore.
Justice League: I'll read almost anything for Gary Frank's artwork, but why make a JL issue about Captain Marvel? I don't care that it's been the backup story in the book for a few months. When I get a JL title I want it to be about the JL. And as far as I can tell...he's NOT Captain Marvel anymore but Shazam? I get the confusion with DC having a character named Captain Marvel but that's his name, deal with it. Seeing how well "Young Justice" has handled the character (both Marvel and Billy Batson) just makes this take a disappointment.
Nightwing: Liked the new take on Dick Grayson pre-Robin days. Sets up his days as Batman's sidekick, and his eventual departure from that role, nicely. Even though he and Batman are cut from the same cloth, they're still different people with different outlooks on life. It'd be nice to see more of the ORIGINAL Batman and Robin together in more flashback issues and whatnot.
Red Hood & The Outlaws: Jason Todd's origin, from life till death till life. Streamlined and concise, it tells his story without treading over too much of the same old ground. Like "Nightwing," exactly what these Zero Issues should be. The backup story with the Joker was just icing on the cake. Really good icing. On a really good cake.
Supergirl: Some weird choices made with this story, I've seen the Supergirl origin done better, even on "Smallville." In fact, this seemed like a watered down version of that take in some respects, with Jor-El and Zor-El not being on good terms with each other.
Wonder Woman: Creative to tell its story in a bit of a retro style, even going so far as to claim that it's a reprint of an existing issue. The weaving of Wonder Woman into Greek mythology was an inspired choice, and has served her well in the New 52. As I've never read WW comics before, I couldn't tell you if this was a new thing or not, but it works. This is a book I subscribed to out of a kind of "Justice League obligation" but it almost never disappoints.
Batgirl: Loved Barbara's initial, spur of the moment first appearance as Batgirl, but after that the story seemed to brush over A LOT and would've best been served as a shorter, more focused tale. Not to mention her first official Batgirl costume (second in the story) is AWFUL. A bad mixture of the first TAS costume and Alicia Silverstone's from B&R. A bit too much foreshadowing about James Gordon Jr.'s future as well; I haven't read "The Black Mirror" but I know the gist of what happens to James Jr.
Batman: Excellent as always. I've come to expect nothing less from Scott Snyder on this title. Nice to see they're taking advantage of this being a new universe and not falling back entirely on "Year One" and "The Killing Joke" for the early days of Batman and the Joker. This seemingly sets-up some of the upcoming Joker arc, "Death of the Family," and I'm really excited to see where Snyder takes it. The backup story is also excellent, highlighting Dick, Jason, Tim, and Barbara all before they became part of the Bat family.
Batman & Robin: The particulars of how Damian fits into the overall Batverse are a bit confusing, but I enjoyed this story of him "coming of age" at all too young an age. I'll still hold that 5 Robins in 4 years is way too fast a turnover for sidekicks though, and the obvious one to cut would've been Damian. The necessary continuity behind him alone is more than enough reason to send him the way of Wally West. I assume they didn't want to offend Morrison though, as much good that's done them as he's out of there in a couple of months anyway.
Superboy: Very confusing to someone who hadn't read a Superboy comic before. They've changed him and his world quite a bit in the New 52 it seems. The history of clones on Krypton is an obvious set-up for something to come, but the story never really made me care.
Aquaman: This is the story I wanted to see with Arthur, and it ends just when it's getting started! In a good way though. I have no doubt Johns will continue to fill us in via flashback about how Arthur went from son of a lighthouse keeper to king of Atlantis (and then back to surface dwelling again). Johns has been doing great with Aquaman so far and by all indications he's got plenty of story left to tell.
Batman: The Dark Knight: I'm not a big Joe Chill fan. In that I mean I prefer the Wayne's killer to be an anonymous criminal. "Year Two" was just awkward Batman and Chill working together, and it felt REALLY wrong in BB when he was caught. That said, this is the best use of the character yet. Seeing Bruce obsess for years about a conspiracy to kill his parents only to discover it was something as simple as a single, greedy, petty lowlife. Reconciling how someone so important and powerful can be brought down by someone so meaningless is no easy thing (to that point, the subtle reference to the JFK assassination is appreciated). If Gregg Hurwitz is putting out stories of this quality every month, I may just have to add "The Dark Knight" to my pull list.
The Flash: Arguably the most creative book in the New 52. The art and layout enhance the story so much, Manapul and Buccellato fit it all together perfectly. This story revisits one of the touchstones of Barry Allen's character since "Flash: Rebirth," his mother's death. His father is in prison for her murder, but did he really do it? I'll be interested to see if the resolution to this mystery might tie back into the creation of the New 52 itself, as it was the lynchpin for "Flashpoint" after all. There's also a member of the West family who makes an appearance. Not, not Wally, but it can't be a coincidence can it? Great issue, one of the best if not the best #0.
The Savage Hawkman: Oh, Hawkman. What a complicated mess you are. This title started out with an assumably Human Carter Hall, but it's been revealed he's actually Thanagarian Katar Hol. Trying to have their cake and eat it too with the Hawkman continuities, I see. This story delves into Katar's past on Thanagar and why he had to leave. It's probably one of the best issues of the title, but that's not saying much as I ask myself every month why I still pick it up. Just hanging on until its (IMO) inevitable cancelation.
Superman: Jor-El on Krypton. He concludes from his findings the planet will explode. The powers that be try to silence him. You know the drill. There is one twist though, Superman was there?!?!? In an alternate costume yes, but he apparently lurked in the background and witnessed these events firsthand. My first thought was that it was somehow through the Phantom Zone, but it's never explained. Come on Scott Lobdell, we NEED a good Superman title moving forward. Please don't let us down.
Teen Titans: A solid origin for Tim Drake, focusing in on the differences between him and his Robin predecessors (and Batman himself). I've never read "A Lonely Place of Dying," or much of anything with Tim Drake for that matter, so I don't know how much was changed from his pre-New 52 history. Like the "Nightwing" and "Red Hood" comics, this makes me want to see more of Batman's adventures with those particular Robins, and wish there were an outlet for that in this new universe. Liked his "Red Robin" costume too, though I was a bit confused whether or not he went by that name before he went solo. I would assume not but the end of the issue implied otherwise.
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Post by Kirok on Feb 2, 2013 1:43:35 GMT -5
I'm still getting more than a handful of titles each month, and haven't dropped anything yet but thinking about it today if I were to get super hardcore about cutting back my pull list, I'd narrow it down to:
Justice League
Batman
Green Lantern
Aquaman
Those have been the most consistently entertaining books to me in the New 52. Outside of that DC wise the Smallville and Batman Beyond titles I also continue to enjoy haven't let me down yet. For the record though I won't be dropping anything for the time being, in fact I'm actually adding Nightwing and the forthcoming Justice League of America.
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Don't think I'm lame, but to me it's exciting to be a part of something like this from the start. 10/15 years from now when I have kids who start reading comics and I can share the complete runs of so many titles with them, it's going to make for an awesome feeling...and all the bad buys worth it!