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Post by Valentine Smith on Jun 12, 2011 14:07:54 GMT -5
Interesting. Far-fetched, but not impossible.
Among the likely changes we're going to see...
There will be no "Superboy as the childhood of Superman", something which Byrne excised and Johns brought back, and is terribly divisive among Superman fans. Frankly, I LIKE the idea of Superboy, but see why it doesn't work in a modern context. My solution to this has always been that Clark was only active as Superboy (in costume, etc) when operating in the future with The Legion, but that's neither here nor there.
It's safe to say that Clark's childhood as Superboy is gone in this reboot. It also looks like, while Clark is still Clark and will work at the Daily Planet, his relationship with Lois will be vastly different...but I don't think that has anything to do with the lawsuit.
Krypton? Might this version of Superman still be an alien but be legally and deliberately vague about WHERE he's from? If they try to treat it as a story beat, it could help them buy time until the lawsuit is further resolved.
This is all very interesting.
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Post by ShogunLogan on Jun 12, 2011 14:47:45 GMT -5
^ I think this is clearly the case, supes78. And it is sort of sad that the courtrooms are influencing the comic creativity.
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Jun 12, 2011 15:38:28 GMT -5
Interesting. Far-fetched, but not impossible. Among the likely changes we're going to see... There will be no "Superboy as the childhood of Superman", something which Byrne excised and Johns brought back, and is terribly divisive among Superman fans. Frankly, I LIKE the idea of Superboy, but see why it doesn't work in a modern context. My solution to this has always been that Clark was only active as Superboy (in costume, etc) when operating in the future with The Legion, but that's neither here nor there. It's safe to say that Clark's childhood as Superboy is gone in this reboot. It also looks like, while Clark is still Clark and will work at the Daily Planet, his relationship with Lois will be vastly different...but I don't think that has anything to do with the lawsuit. Krypton? Might this version of Superman still be an alien but be legally and deliberately vague about WHERE he's from? If they try to treat it as a story beat, it could help them buy time until the lawsuit is further resolved. This is all very interesting. amen and amen. and THIS is why i support the estate taking the ACTION 1 superman and moving on without the post-siegal/schuster trappings. i know it's a minority opinion, but these are historic times for superman. we all know that ALL creators got dicked over in the old days. stan lee is the exception to the rule. so superman, spider-man, batman etc are worth billions for decades to come ( and in fact i believe they will outlast western civilisation as we know it ) and DC "owns" superman except there are grandfather clauses that give the estate some leverage..? well if it were me, i'd say the ultimate confidence in the character would be to take the CORE "primitive" version and say "f-YOU" to DC. if this late in the game, DC is going to be so petty as to dictate story material to minimise what has to be at most pennies-on-a-dollar royalties to the estate- then F*CK DC. i truly hope the estate gets a new lawyer ( the one they have is evil ) and i hope thay take "krypton" "kal-l" "clark kent" "daily star" "new york" "lois lane" "superman" and take open bids. i hope some publisher re-establishes the original superman that DC wants to erase. i hope the publisher enlists ambitious writers to build on the original premise and thumbs thier nose at DC for perpetuity. just as paramount was license star trek to different book and comic book publishers over the years, i hope the estate does the same, and an alternative superman can emerge away from this bullshit. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jun 12, 2011 16:02:56 GMT -5
I think it's more sad that Warner Bros' didn't just do the right thing in the first place and strike a fair deal with the owners in the first place, rather than letting the lawyers on both sides be the real winners all along battling one another.
On the flip side, the more and more interviews I read from creators (new and old), it's more editorial politics (and ego) that REALLY seem to dictate what Can go on in comics, moreso than any writer and artist.
The legal stuff dictating things..... it is sad, but it's not the only thing that seems messed up about the creative process at mainstream comic companies...
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Post by Valentine Smith on Jun 12, 2011 21:32:50 GMT -5
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Post by matt on Jun 12, 2011 21:40:44 GMT -5
That drawing makes the costume look allot better!
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Post by supes78 on Jun 12, 2011 23:13:11 GMT -5
Someone will have to explain why he appears to be wearing body armor and why he needs a belt if he's not wearing the briefs anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2011 23:24:43 GMT -5
The belt still looks dumb. It's a body suit. It's not like he's holding up a pair of Levi's.
And he still has trunks, judging by the seams. They're just not red. They're blue.
I can believe the theory that this is a result of the lawsuit not going DC's way. Either way, I don't see this minor costume change sticking around more than 6 months.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2011 0:02:18 GMT -5
Iron Man Lite.
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Post by MAVERICK on Jun 13, 2011 0:06:55 GMT -5
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Post by SupermanUF on Jun 13, 2011 0:33:23 GMT -5
So, wait, HOW is he supposed to conceal this suit under his Kent getup? How is he going to hide the collar? Wear a scarf all the time? So dumb. I'm over it though. Like Brad said, it'll be around just about as long as Superman's long hair in the 90s. These things happen in cycles... it won't be long before what's old is new again.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jun 13, 2011 0:34:42 GMT -5
With "Xmen" I remember loathing the black leather alterations- but when I saw the film, they got so much ELSE right, that it didn't matter and I quickly forgave it (though I'm majorly digging the Xmen First Class costumes looking far more like the comics)....
But with "Superman", if you change the costume that much in the movies--- I can't imagine myself being able to extend that same forgiveness. To me, SR had minor changes that I wasn't crazy about, but at least it was still more/less the Donner costume.
If this costume IS the change.... well, it's like when "Scifi Channel" decided that they were much better off renaming themselves the "Syfy Channel".....
If the current DC creators/filmmakers hate the comic book roots so much, why the heck even bother with acquiring the rights to Superman?
Why not just call it something else while you're changing the iconic costume?
Well......maybe its' a moot point if the whole film gets cancelled because of the legal issues...
*sigh*
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Post by EvilSupes on Jun 13, 2011 4:07:10 GMT -5
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jun 13, 2011 18:29:34 GMT -5
I think the cycles are happening faster and faster though- to the audience's detriment. If the #1 reboot issues sell like hotcakes, I have a bad feeling that soon we'll see Superman comics rebooted every ISSUE, with a new #1 every month...... and then when sales lag on THAT gimmick, Superman will be rebooted every five pages into the story of every DC comic. (And again, and again, and again.....)  |
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Post by Rod on Jun 13, 2011 22:59:53 GMT -5
so they want to create a ´steel looking´ suit to justify the name of the movie?  |
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Post by matt on Jun 13, 2011 23:12:12 GMT -5
Is Superman supposed to get his powers from the suit now?
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Post by Paul (ral) on Jun 14, 2011 5:02:58 GMT -5
On twitter someone made the comment about why Supes would need any kind of armour.
Jim Lee's reply was something like " you'll see".
Not sure what that means...maybe he will be depowered a certain amount, maybe it will be presented as Kryptonian battle gear?
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Post by matt on Jun 14, 2011 5:20:56 GMT -5
Didn't Superman have long hair for like four to five years? They changed it back for the Lois and Clark wedding. How long did electric Superman story run for, a year or more? I guess sales of the comics will decide if they go back to the original suit. Starting every issue at #01 is just a gimmick to get new readers to buy the comics thinking the first issues will be worth allot of money. I'm surprised that DC is starting over with Action comics, and Detective comics after there very long runs. Those two titles have to be record holders for longest running series?
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Post by ye5man on Jun 14, 2011 6:13:20 GMT -5
Looks like a cyborg in that pic. Not that impressed.
As for "how does he hide the costume when he's Kent?", ever wonder what he does with the boots anyway?
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Post by charl on Jun 14, 2011 7:04:32 GMT -5
Those two titles have to be record holders for longest running series Exactly. Renumbering it to #1 again is like repainting an archeological find or historic monument & telling the world "Sorry, I don't think this old & weathered thing looks good & will be well-received by all. Here, I've repainted it brand new. Now it's presentable. I'm sure you'll like it" It's defacing history. The numbering should be allowed to grow. In fact, isn't it that the bigger the number, the more significance it has being able to withstand the passage of time & sustain its existence? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2011 8:41:58 GMT -5
If this fails, I also see some retroactive "renumbering" of these issues. We may see Action 1,000 still.
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Post by Valentine Smith on Jun 14, 2011 9:07:28 GMT -5
Guys, if you really think that DC ISN'T gonna allow us to see Action or Detective #1000, whether or not this is a success, then you're high. It's going to happen. Marvel and DC have renumbered pretty much every single book EXCEPT those two at some point, and EVERY one of them goes back to the original numbering for a milestone issue.
It's just a stunt to get more people into comic shops. And those of us who enjoy buying comics should be PRAYING it's a success, otherwise, in five to ten years, there might not BE any monthly comics anymore.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jun 14, 2011 10:48:33 GMT -5
I have a hunch that comics will still be around, but not necessarily in the monthly comic form that fills shops right now. Didn't Stracinski's "Superman: Year One" do giant business as a hardback? There's still money to be made, but maybe not on the scale that supports the big two as is.
Newspapers, if not on the verge of being extinct, are certainly a heckuva lot thinner than it used to be. Magazines have to struggle against the internet. But people are still buying books, even though there's the internet as well.
If DC had the bombsheck: "We're only gonna do 5 QUALITY books every month and nothing else"- it might be more interesting to bring people in. 52 books with mediocre uneven quality and tie-ins up the arse on a monthly basis doesn't make me want to the stores anytime soon.
Comics will survive, I think. Just maybe not as we're used to.
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Post by Valentine Smith on Jun 14, 2011 11:07:56 GMT -5
You are correct. 100% correct. BUT...
I'm one of those weirdos who loves single issues. I love going to the comic shop every Wednesday and buying my small stack of books. I love having single issues, and being able to read various books in a line based on my own chronology of events. I don't individually bag and board, I bag and board by storyline, and often, my own "collections" make more sense than the editorially mandated trades.
It's part of what makes comics a HOBBY and not just things you read. But look, I'm a FUCKING WEIRDO and I totally get that. I prefer to buy actual records and I listen to them on a KLH turntable and sound system from 1967. I create MP3 playlists of bootleg live recordings of my favorite bands and turn them into albums (or, in the case of The Who, using b-sides and tunes from compilations, I reconstructed Who's Next into the double/concept album it was originally intended to be: Lifehouse). I do weird shit. So, I realize the comic industry isn't necessarily trying to keep MY dollar, nor should they.
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Post by Keith on Jun 14, 2011 14:48:06 GMT -5
Is the Superman lawsuit the reason why they are rebooting the whole DC line? Since he is the first and best. Because if they have to redo his origins, and make him less powerful, or whatever he won't be the Superman in that universe, so with the reboot of all the characters, he'll fit in.. Make sense?
I dunno, just figured if WB would have worked out something with the heirs, then we wouldn't be seeing any of this rebooting the DCU.
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