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Post by Valentine Smith on Jun 10, 2011 15:15:08 GMT -5
Well, I'm sold. Grant Morrison, the guy who told the single greatest Superman story of the last twenty years, is writing Action Comics? There's no way I'm not checking this out.
And before you all break a blood vessel over that image, it's just a promotional image, it isn't the new Superman costume.
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Jun 10, 2011 15:59:50 GMT -5
Yeah, well, the trunks look like underwear. Sorry. ;D There are plenty of trunkless clingy costumes that don't have batches poking out. Spider-Man, F4, etc. Just make the crotch material a bit thicker, maybe add a pra, and you're good to go. The trunks are too pro wrestlerish; I think the costume should look a little more regal than that in live action. That's also why I don't mind a higher collar.  i really wasn't picking on you, i'm just tired of the Unfunny "underpants outside" shtick. strangley, i don't mind the collar either. it is very regal. |
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Jun 10, 2011 16:04:46 GMT -5
Well, I'm sold. Grant Morrison, the guy who told the single greatest Superman story of the last twenty years, is writing Action Comics? There's no way I'm not checking this out. And before you all break a blood vessel over that image, it's just a promotional image, it isn't the new Superman costume. i am curious enough to get a comic shop to "pull" the superman titles for me. but i am very hard sell. Well, DC was supposed to make official announcements about the Superman books today, and they haven't. This leads me to three conclusions... 1) They WILL make these announcements at Hero Complex tomorrow, as originally intended. 2) We're probably looking at a fairly serious reboot of Superman. The changes will be more than cosmetic.3) I haven't ruled out the possibility of some kind of movie related announcement, possibly involving Cavill's suit. agreed on all that. and that's why i posted the thread here and not the comics forum as i do believe this will involve the movie. it actually would be poetic to show the cover of the NEW action #1 and have it correspond to cavill's new suit. snyder may "surprise us" with an appearance. question- according to dill-hole didio, jim lee "spear headed character edesign". does this mean HE designed the superman suit ( it would explain the retarded boots) or was he just "in charge" ? did george perez design it? as to more-than cosmetics, we know they're keeping krypton (if the movie and the comics are to be similar) and lois. - they are going with the eeeeaarrrrlly take of "strange visitor" and having a owrld leary/distrustful of superman(heroes)- thats fine, but i hope they don't try to cop x-men. - superman won't pine for lois- he's shagging wonder woman. ( as it should be) - still lots of question marks though. |
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Post by Valentine Smith on Jun 10, 2011 16:12:15 GMT -5
That suit is definitely a Lee design.
I think we'll get some answers about this tomorrow. However, I'm thinking less and less that we're getting a Cavill image. Hope I'm wrong though, as I'm dying to see the dude in the suit!
The timing of all of this is NOT accidental. Smallville just ended, and they just tied up the previous film franchise in a neat little bow with this blu-ray release. There's no better time to "reinvent" Superman than right now, where there is NO incarnation of Superman running around in other media for the first time in nearly 20 years. Plus, the lady in charge of the DC characters, Diane Nelson, is the woman responsible for shepherding the Harry Potter film franchise, the most successful film franchise WB has ever laid hands on, which is, also not coincidentally, ENDING this summer.
Like it or hate it, this new take on Superman is going to be pushed REALLY HARD for the next couple of years. I think WB is looking for their next cash-cow/7 film franchise for kids (Nolan's Batfilms are too adult and not merchandise friendly), and something tells me that their sights are set squarely on Superman. Ultimately, I think this can only be a good thing.
Morrison is a genius. I now have faith in this based on his involvement.
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Jun 10, 2011 16:53:08 GMT -5
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Post by Valentine Smith on Jun 10, 2011 17:02:45 GMT -5
Hey, there's plenty I'm not thrilled about here. But, the fact remains, the guy who wrote one of my favorite Superman stories of all time is likely in charge of Superman's direction right now. Without that, I'd be ready to write this off.
I could easily, and without a hint of remorse, regret, or nostalgia, trash/pulp/recycle/compost every single Superman comic I have that was published since 1994 and not shed a tear...EXCEPT for All Star Superman. If I had to, I'd probably choose All Star over a good chunk of Superman titles published between 1986-1994. And a significant chunk of those published before that as well.
If it was a lesser talent (a Mark Millar) or a fucking hack (Judd Winnick), I'd be screaming bloody murder about the suit, the reboot, etc. It's not. It's a creator I trust, and one who's already demonstrated that he understands the character.
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Jun 10, 2011 17:34:35 GMT -5
Hey, there's plenty I'm not thrilled about here. But, the fact remains, the guy who wrote one of my favorite Superman stories of all time is likely in charge of Superman's direction right now. Without that, I'd be ready to write this off. I could easily, and without a hint of remorse, regret, or nostalgia, trash/pulp/recycle/compost every single Superman comic I have that was published since 1994 and not shed a tear...EXCEPT for All Star Superman. If I had to, I'd probably choose All Star over a good chunk of Superman titles published between 1986-1994. And a significant chunk of those published before that as well. If it was a lesser talent (a Mark Millar) or a fucking hack (Judd Winnick), I'd be screaming bloody murder about the suit, the reboot, etc. It's not. It's a creator I trust, and one who's already demonstrated that he understands the character. well said, as we exchange lighthearted jabs i am still rounding up the whole geoff johns run of superman as i think that'll all be great. but you have a fair point, after superman's ressurection the comcis went to SH*T. it bumped up a bit with jeph loeb (imo) and the president lex/worlds at war, then tanked again. geoff johns breathed a lot excitement into it, but that is now closed. byrne-to-doomsday-skip shit for years- loeb-skip shit for years- johns....aaaaaaannnnnd : scene. |
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Post by Valentine Smith on Jun 10, 2011 17:40:30 GMT -5
Yeah, I'd keep all the Johns/Frank stuff. The Johns/Donner stuff really doesn't re-read very well at all. New Krypton sucked pretty bad.
They've just been lacking direction for so long, and anything they've tried to do to shake things up has been half-hearted and forced.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jun 10, 2011 18:15:04 GMT -5
Why are they checking for camcorders? All the movies are available on dvd already! *sigh* Even Comicon allows folks to bring camcorders. O well.... An audio recording/ or transcription would be awesome, though!  |
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Post by Valentine Smith on Jun 10, 2011 19:22:56 GMT -5
Interesting. From an old interview with Morrison... www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=16045“And I wanted to do a story of Superman’s first year in Metropolis when he wasn’t so powerful and he was a bit more of a liberal activist. And to do that kind of Superman, the big heavy guy who can only pick up trucks and be killed by an exploding sheck, you can kind of do that as the first year and see the differences between that guy and the incredibly powerful, self-assured man-god in the main All Star Superman book. So those are the three stories I came up with and as I say, they were slightly off the main storyline but related to it so I hope to do those when the current workload eases up because as I say I could just keep doing that Superman stuff forever.” Betcha ANYTHING that Action Comics is set in the past and Superman is set in the present. So, not only will Action Comics be a Year One Superman story, but it will also help illustrate the background of the new DCU. Sold. |
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Post by mavcon75 on Jun 10, 2011 19:29:27 GMT -5
Hey all. So... I'm in the theater right now waiting for the start of Star Trek screenings (jazzed to see the old Star Trek Wrath of Khan in a theater). Getting an idea of where things will be set up for tomorrow and will get photos of the Mike Hill statue, Richard Donner....I'll try to find Reeve's star as well and anything else Supes related to take pics of for ya all. And I'll test the audio capabilities of my phone during the Star Trek q and a to try to get audio and make a transcript for the site or anyone that wants it
Mavcon
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Post by mavcon75 on Jun 10, 2011 23:21:25 GMT -5
Good news on the audio part. My phone is picking up the q and a pretty well as it is so an audio file for download and transcript will/should be easy enough to do for (hopefully) both Richard Donner and the announcement
Mavcon
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Jun 11, 2011 15:15:36 GMT -5
Interesting. From an old interview with Morrison... www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=16045“And I wanted to do a story of Superman’s first year in Metropolis when he wasn’t so powerful and he was a bit more of a liberal activist. And to do that kind of Superman, the big heavy guy who can only pick up trucks and be killed by an exploding sheck, you can kind of do that as the first year and see the differences between that guy and the incredibly powerful, self-assured man-god in the main All Star Superman book. So those are the three stories I came up with and as I say, they were slightly off the main storyline but related to it so I hope to do those when the current workload eases up because as I say I could just keep doing that Superman stuff forever.” Betcha ANYTHING that Action Comics is set in the past and Superman is set in the present. So, not only will Action Comics be a Year One Superman story, but it will also help illustrate the background of the new DCU. Sold. been browsing other boards... a LOT of skepticism, along with some kids being "obediant" goose-steppers (everything is awesome  ) but a lot of morrison fans are signing on ONLY because it's morrison (he even made electric blue superman interesting) and some think he will subtely subvert the "relaunch" dogma by peppering in pre-relaunch concepts. we'll see. |
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Post by Valentine Smith on Jun 11, 2011 15:33:09 GMT -5
Look at it this way. He's still gonna be from Krypton. He's still gonna grow up in Kansas. He's still gonna work at the Daily Planet. He's still gonna be Clark Kent. Other than the changes to the suit (which I don't love), all this is is another origin story. Man Of Steel seemed pretty radical to people in 1986, and now people still can't get over that it was changed for Birthright or Secret Origin. Other than the costume changes, I don't see how this is any more radical than that.
What I really dig is the idea of Action Comics being the backstory of the ENTIRE new DCU, through the lens of Superman. That's huge, and it's exactly what they probably would have done in 1986 if they had the balls to start EVERYTHING over like they wanted to after Crisis. This is all turning out to be much more intriguing than I thought. I'm actually breathlessly awaiting news from LA today, as I think they're gonna lay everything out regarding a lot of the changes, the timeline, etc.
If it ends up being great, I win. If it ends up being a turkey, I don't care. I have a longbox of Bronze Age Superman, and another longbox of all four Superman titles from Man Of Steel up through Reign Of The Supermen. I'll always have those. I have enough Superman comics, so they'd probably be doing me a favor if I stopped buying them entirely.
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Jun 11, 2011 16:11:56 GMT -5
;D
i love you man!
i am impelled ot desire all things superman to be great, but as our culure devolves, maybe so do our mythologies...
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Post by Valentine Smith on Jun 11, 2011 16:35:44 GMT -5
I will admit to being this much of a sucker, though. There's no way I'm not buying at least 6 issues of Action Comics. And even if that doesn't blow me away, I'll probably stick with it. I am such a Morrison fanboy, that I trust everything he does. I love what he's done with Batman for the last five years, and if he's allowed that kind of freedom with Superman for an extended period of time, there's no way this won't be awesome.
There are certain artists/writers/musicians/actors that I will pretty much check out anything they do, no matter what, and even their lesser works, I will love to a certain extent.
David Gilmour
Noel Gallagher
Bob Pollard (Guided By Voices)
Grant Morrison
Bruce Campbell
So, I may not be the best critic when it comes to folks like this.
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Post by Valentine Smith on Jun 11, 2011 16:40:27 GMT -5
I'm such a fucking loser.
It's a skeevy, strangely chilly, rainy day in NY today. I'm frantically trolling comic sites, blogs, and message boards, waiting for news of tonight's big Superman announcement at Hero Complex. I'm watching the Cubs/Phillies game, listening to internet radio, and selling some comics on eBay.
The fact that I've ever gotten laid is nothing short of miraculous. In fact, it may be my superpower. My superpower is that I can spend entire afternoons like this and women will still speak to me. Even the ones who know.
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Post by EnriqueH on Jun 11, 2011 17:50:20 GMT -5
Imagine Metallo? The guy is a breathing encyclopedia on geekdom. The man is the worlds first Nerd Monk.
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Jun 11, 2011 19:53:44 GMT -5
I'm such a fucking loser. It's a skeevy, strangely chilly, rainy day in NY today. I'm frantically trolling comic sites, blogs, and message boards, waiting for news of tonight's big Superman announcement at Hero Complex. I'm watching the Cubs/Phillies game, listening to internet radio, and selling some comics on eBay. The fact that I've ever gotten laid is nothing short of miraculous. In fact, it may be my superpower. My superpower is that I can spend entire afternoons like this and women will still speak to me. Even the ones who know. ditto. i'm married to a near-trekkie so i hit the lottery of nerd-luck. |
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Post by Keith on Jun 11, 2011 22:14:17 GMT -5
So what the heck was this big superman announcement supposed to be?
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Post by Valentine Smith on Jun 11, 2011 22:28:01 GMT -5
Apparently it was just an official announcement that yes, this is indeed a FULL reboot of Superman continuity. No pics of Cavill, just some vague stuff from Morrison. I expect we'll get more info as San Diego approaches.
I'm on board for at least a little bit. Mostly because of Grant. If it wasn't him, I don't know if I'd be as confident.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2011 0:06:04 GMT -5
Fuck.
Guess I'll be reading this.
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Post by mavcon75 on Jun 12, 2011 7:04:05 GMT -5
Just got back from driving from Los Angeles to Vegas (4 1/2 hrs). Will update everyone more specifically when I wake up but needless to say the huge announcement was just as previously said, full reboot of the universe it appears and all the old titles, even Action Comics, starts over....so 52 titles will be running, not this 52 of this universe and other ones still running etc etc....anyways...more later, need sleepy-time
Mavcon
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Jun 12, 2011 9:51:24 GMT -5
Just got back from driving from Los Angeles to Vegas (4 1/2 hrs). Will update everyone more specifically when I wake up but needless to say the huge announcement was just as previously said, full reboot of the universe it appears and all the old titles, even Action Comics, starts over....so 52 titles will be running, not this 52 of this universe and other ones still running etc etc....anyways...more later, need sleepy-time Mavcon good work man. |
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Post by supes78 on Jun 12, 2011 13:58:40 GMT -5
Could the latest Superman reboot be a way to circumvent DC's loss of legal rights to the original character? From: www.comicsbeat.com/2011/06/09/the-legal-view-the-dcu-relaunch-and-the-superman-copyright/THE LEGAL VIEW: The DCU Relaunch and the Superman Copyright
By Jeff Trexler
The September relaunch of the DC universe has raised a number of questions about the future of current continuity and the comic marketplace. But does it have legal implications as well?
Given the recent history of Superman and Superboy, it’s only natural that some people are wondering whether the event has some connection to the Siegel lawsuits. For example, in 2006, DC killed Superboy and the Earth-2 Superman and Lois Lane–the DCU versions of the Golden Age Siegel and Shuster originals. Not coincidentally, this story appeared as the Siegel heirs were prevailing in the first round of their effort to claim the Superboy copyright. After another judge vacated this ruling in 2007 and strongly suggested that the Siegels were not likely to become sole owners of the Superboy copyright, Superboy miraculously came back to life.
A more gruesome commentary on the Superman case followed the Siegels’ landmark 2008 victory in reclaiming Jerry Siegel’s half of the copyright to the Superman material in Action Comics #1. One year later the Earth-2 Superman and Lois Lane returned as undead Black Lantern zombies out to take the living Kents back to their dead Pa.
As PR from the September relaunch reveals that the Superman and Superboy will have curiously redesigned costumes and altered continuity, a recent article in Variety would appear to confirm that the Siegel lawsuits have once again made their mark. According to this report, the case affirming Neil Gaiman’s co-ownership of Medieval Spawn could serve as precedent for treating a distinct new version of Superman as a legally separate character from the Superman created by Siegel and Shuster. By this line of reasoning, the relaunch would establish a clear foundation for making DC the sole owner of the current Superman and Superboy, leaving the Siegel and Shuster heirs with nothing except the original–and far less lucrative–Superman from 1938.
Does copyright jurisprudence establish a relaunch exception to creators’ rights? Is Neil Gaiman to blame? My first series here at The Beat will explain how recent speculation on this issue misses the mark–and why the greatest threat to the Siegel heirs’ victory may actually be Grant Morrison.
[Jeff Trexler is a lawyer and consultant and a comics fan who writes frequently about how legal matters pertain to comics.] |
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