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Post by crazy_asian_man on Sept 21, 2011 18:50:48 GMT -5
 I thought the RIC was the same thing as the ABC cut. Huh. Did not realize that there was a difference. Oh well. I'll take ANY new Supes movie footage that's put out there.... (From the Reeve, not the Nicolas Cage era, that is...) |
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Post by Jimbo on Sept 21, 2011 19:05:32 GMT -5
The differences are few, but significant.
The RIC is chock full of stupid stuff, such as the Japanese family and rednecks complaining at the TV, 30 seconds of some random photographer fumbling to reload his camera at Niagara, and reused Flying Sequence footage from STM.
S2 ABC cut is the best extended/alternate cut out there, by far.
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Post by Knight on Sept 21, 2011 19:20:22 GMT -5
Ditto,,CAM... Thanks for clearing that up,Jimbo. Yea,that footage you refare to is pointless nonsense. They way they kept plugging the idea of cameras and film,I thought it would have been some kind of plant to pay off later on in the scene(s). eugh! hate the close up of Margo stubbing out the cig in both the theatrical and RIABC,rank!! He keeps that in and cuts out some nice lines/reactions from that scene.  |
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Post by Metallo on Sept 21, 2011 19:30:19 GMT -5
Don't most people think the extended cuts of STM and SII are shit? All that padding, all that camp, why would WB spend money on something people don't even like that much? I think it's cute to want further stuff from the WB regarding the Donnerverse, but unfortunately it's just that. Cute. Never gonna happen. That book is closed. I agree with Jimbo in that its probably not going to happen for the reasons you are talking about but when the extended cut of Dune can get a dvd release along with the theatrical version anything can happen. Most of that extended version is just extra padding and Dune didn't even do that well at the box office. How many people even wanted that? Same is true for all those versions of Highlander 2. Can't believe that got the special edition treatment. New effects, new footage, the works. Granted its the most financially successful movie of the series but we are talking about a NICHE market smaller than the Superman fanbase to begin with. HII was an incredibly low grossing movie and most fans hate it Stranger shit has happened. Never say never....(again).   |
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Post by stargazer01 on Sept 21, 2011 19:38:19 GMT -5
I'd love to see an extended cut of SR with RTK and farm Clark scenes included. ;D Oh and a new/better transfer. Still, I'm content with 3 good Superman movies. It could be worse: No movie at all. |
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Post by Jimbo on Sept 21, 2011 20:56:57 GMT -5
These kinds of recuts/extended cuts tend to happen when the director swears off the movie or the original version (Lynch with Dune, Scott with Blade Runner, Daredevil, Alien 3, Highlander 2). Donner has never rejected STM, and while he rejected S2 for a good while, he gave his effort for S2, and there won't be a second one. As marketed as the Donner Cut was, WB won't go back and revisit it again. It probably didn't sell that well.
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Sept 21, 2011 21:00:39 GMT -5
i wonder how "plausible" a "blade runner :workprint" release ever was...?
i mean, blade runner was never even a hit in the first place.
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Post by Metallo on Sept 21, 2011 21:48:35 GMT -5
These kinds of recuts/extended cuts tend to happen when the director swears off the movie or the original version (Lynch with Dune, Scott with Blade Runner, Daredevil, Alien 3, Highlander 2). Donner has never rejected STM, and while he rejected S2 for a good while, he gave his effort for S2, and there won't be a second one. As marketed as the Donner Cut was, WB won't go back and revisit it again. It probably didn't sell that well. I suppose you could add Star Trek The motion picture to your list. I don't know...Look at The Punisher. Never heard of Jonathan Hensleigh complaining THAT much after the theatrical release came out and we still got an extended version. Sure there were things he wanted to do but couldn't but I don't think he ever swore off the theatrical cut. That movie wasn't even that big of a success. They could theoretically go ahead without Donner depending on what they do. especially after he's dead (as morbid as it sounds). I'd rather never get anything else involving STM or SII than see that happen but it... As for Highlander II I still stand by what I said there as far as the lack of a market. The phrase "You can't polish a turd" applies. Its a despised movie. the foundation of it is flawed. But they still put even more money into re-releasing an altered version. I think Davis/Panzer would have gone ahead with their plans no matter how Mulcahey felt. I've heard a lot of things about Lynch and Dune but I know he disliked the extended version even more. Thats why that version got Alan Smithee'd in the first place. Of course he had nothing to do with that DVD. |
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Post by stargazer01 on Sept 21, 2011 23:11:17 GMT -5
You know, who knows what will happen in the future. Maybe SR could become more appreciated with time. That alone could help to preserve the Donnerverse even longer, especially if MOS isn't a big hit.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Sept 21, 2011 23:50:11 GMT -5
A friend of mine who moved closer to Los Angeles years ago told me once that there were college classes down there called, "The Films of Keanu Reeves". If that's worthy of film study at a college, I can't imagine the Superman films not being similarly worthy of a college class one day. |
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Post by Jimbo on Sept 22, 2011 0:14:36 GMT -5
"Whoa." ;D
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Post by stargazer01 on Sept 22, 2011 0:28:07 GMT -5
A friend of mine who moved closer to Los Angeles years ago told me once that there were college classes down there called, "The Films of Keanu Reeves". If that's worthy of film study at a college, I can't imagine the Superman films not being similarly worthy of a college class one day. ;D Well, Matrix IS an interesting film. And you just reminded me that lately I've come across a few people on twitter who said that they were surprised they were watching Superman Returns in class.... hmm indeed. I'm not surprised really, because it's a very interesting film full of subtext, allegories, and very human emotions. It's a character study of a mythical character. I've also noticed that the film is liked and appreciated by the Christian community. I just started following this Christian guy on twitter this past monday. He seemed really excited that the FX channel was showing the film. I didn't really follow him because of that, but because I liked his tweets overall (he tweets a lot about the Bible. It inspires me reading a lot of that). yeah.. |
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Post by MAVERICK on Sept 22, 2011 1:06:38 GMT -5
Guys........
Never
Gonna
Happen.
Sorry.
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Post by Jimbo on Sept 22, 2011 1:13:48 GMT -5
Lucas releasing the original versions of the Star Wars trilogy in 4K along with a giant apology is more likely than another Superman II.  |
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Post by MAVERICK on Sept 22, 2011 1:23:24 GMT -5
Yup  |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Sept 22, 2011 2:39:00 GMT -5
Hard to know how well it sold, given that it was part of the box collection as well... who was going to buy another copy (besides diehards like me), if they already got one with the tin box set? I do remember CONSTANTLY getting into arguments with people on the net who were downplaying any fx of online-petitions for the Donner cut, being told constantly that it was never going to happen.... so I'm a tad skeptical when told that it's definitely never ever going to happen- the comparison with George doesn't hold, as George is crazy and owns all the SW rights- whereas WB's leadership does change from time to time. Thing is: there were far more obstacles with that, then I can imagine with this. Would Donner care anymore? It seems like he's at peace with putting 'his' (thau's) version out, and that people at large know that he shot the majority of the really great stuff for SII now. If WB thinks there's a chance for it to make money as a tie-in with MOS, maybe they'll do it. But.... if they don't do anything new with STM/SII- (or, heck, even releasing Superboy season two) during the time MOS is supposed to be promoted- I won't concede that it'll NEVER happen....but if it doesn't happen in the next few years, unless MOS is a mega blockbuster (something I'd highly doubt, regardless of the quality- Captain America & X-men were fantastic, but only modest hits).... I doubt there'll be any 'new' Superman stuff from the Donner era for a long time.... |
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Post by Metallo on Sept 22, 2011 2:48:32 GMT -5
Like I said I have doubts that this stuff is ever going to be released officially but I never like talking in absolutes because sometimes stuff happens and "never" is a long time. Theres impossible and then theres improbable.
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Post by SGB on Sept 22, 2011 3:47:42 GMT -5
Guys........ Never Gonna Happen. Sorry. The same was said of S2 Donner Cut and S4 deleted scenes for years. Look what happened there ... |
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Post by Knight on Sept 22, 2011 4:29:30 GMT -5
The Workprint of Blade Runner on that set which is just so damn fine was brilliant and a worthy addition for purists like us.  After reading what Donner had shot and seeing story boards and such for II,I never thought I'd see any of that footage,ever.... I do remain hopeful (got to have something to look forward to.right??) that we'll get our extended cuts. WB will want to push MOS as much as they can. espc after SR's failure. I'm so glad Zod is in MOS cos' this will undoubtedly lead to more publicity around I and II. |
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Post by stargazer01 on Sept 22, 2011 9:53:18 GMT -5
So SR failed but Captain America and the new X-Men were modest hits!? What the heck!  Seriously |
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Post by Knight on Sept 22, 2011 10:43:43 GMT -5
-OK then,it wasn't has big a hit as BB,TDK,Capt America,X Men,what have ya'. You know what I mean.
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Post by Metallo on Sept 22, 2011 11:58:03 GMT -5
The same was said of S2 Donner Cut and S4 deleted scenes for years. Look what happened there ... Thats a great point about the SIV deleted scenes, SGB. I know all you guys remember the endless debate that raged for YEARS over that footage. Certain people swore up and down that the footage was probably destroyed and that we'd ever EVER see it. I can't be the only one that remembers those words. Granted most of it wasn't that good but we saw it. ;D |
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Post by stargazer01 on Sept 22, 2011 12:16:09 GMT -5
-OK then,it wasn't has big a hit as BB,TDK,Capt America,X Men,what have ya'. You know what I mean. Nope, I don't. |
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Post by Jimbo on Sept 22, 2011 12:47:37 GMT -5
The same was said of S2 Donner Cut and S4 deleted scenes for years. Look what happened there ... Thats a great point about the SIV deleted scenes, SGB. Big difference between getting them to release something, and getting them to do it again, and with more effort.It's like Lucas with the 2006 original version DVDs. He cut corners big-time, but now considers them 'released', and getting him to do it yet again, but this time PROPERLY, will be next to impossible. |
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Post by Knight on Sept 22, 2011 13:14:33 GMT -5
Was SR a mega hit,creating sequels or did I miss something?
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