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Post by crazy_asian_man on Sept 20, 2011 0:55:17 GMT -5
So, I contacted WB home video with this request: There is a GIANT demand from comic book fans for the expanded television versions of "Superman The Movie" and "Superman II" that showed on television decades ago. Universal put out the television version of "Dune" not too long ago, remastered. Is there ANY possibility of this being made available 'made to order' at all??? I can point to some websites on the web just to show how big of a demand there is for this. Thanks.
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Post by Kamdan on Sept 20, 2011 1:10:56 GMT -5
I hope something shall occur. They just released the Shaft TV movies and the Legend of the Superheros TV specials, which many thought would never see the light of day. Hopefully, we'll see something when Snyder's film comes out.
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Post by Jimbo on Sept 20, 2011 1:13:24 GMT -5
There is not a giant demand, sorry.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Sept 20, 2011 1:34:47 GMT -5
All due respect Jimbo, comparatively to the other items that WB archives that have been released, (ie Legend of the Superheroes tv specials) I think there is.
Superman Cinema's amount of hits I think should be proof enough that there might be more than enough Donner Superman fans to justify the (presumably) cheap cost to take the IRC's out of the closet for dvd release....
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Post by Jimbo on Sept 20, 2011 9:52:44 GMT -5
It would not be cheap. Stuff has to be telecined, cleaned up and edited together. Would it be in HD? Costs even more. DVD is on its deathbed. Who would buy it....100 people? The demand couldn't be higher than that.
WB is done with the Donner series. We were lucky enough to get decent picture/audio in the Blu-ray box set.
Never gonna happen.
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Post by matt on Sept 20, 2011 11:04:30 GMT -5
Well at least you got it out there. The answer you got sounds like an automated reply. ;D
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Sept 20, 2011 11:15:45 GMT -5
I've been reading about DVD dying, too.
Are there only 100 fans out there that would buy another Superman dvd? I'm not so sure about that....
Put it this way--- I'm amazed that there was a fanbase interested enough in "Alexander" to go back and buy two more edits!
I suspect that dvd will be like how the old laserdisc market used to be- not the mainstream, but for hardcore fans who don't necessarily like to watch movies online.
I know there's a lot of people who do, but there are a lot who still enjoy the dvd format (look at all the subscribers Netflix USED to have with renting physical dvds, not streaming).
Never happen? Well.... look at the Donner cut (despite its warts and such)--- that was never going to happen, too.
Just, maybe not in our lifetime....
*sigh*
And, yeah, I have a feeling my response from WB was an auto-generated one.
Bah! humbug!
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Post by MerM on Sept 20, 2011 11:40:43 GMT -5
Well, if the extended cuts ever were released, it would make sense that they'd be on MOD discs. Those cater to the niche markets anyway.
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Post by Knight on Sept 20, 2011 12:11:55 GMT -5
Hopefully with MOS WB will revisit their archive and release some RIC/broadcast versions.
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Post by Jimbo on Sept 20, 2011 12:14:55 GMT -5
They would also have to square away the director credits, and all that. Donner would likely want his name removed from the movie. Way too much of a hassle, I would think. There's nothing in it for WB.
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Post by Knight on Sept 20, 2011 12:26:12 GMT -5
I dont think WB care about Donner at all,they will inevitably tie in the old films pre MOS release,all that stuff...
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Post by Scissorpuppy on Sept 20, 2011 17:40:48 GMT -5
Put it this way--- I'm amazed that there was a fanbase interested enough in "Alexander" to go back and buy two more edits! I think the reason for that release was to try and get back some of the investment WB made with the film, as it was a flop. Strange how sometimes huge dissipointments are treated better than mild hits. All in the name of trying to recoup funds. I think the best anyone can hope for when it comes to the TV versions on MOD is a SD Full Screen transfer of the 1980's video masters. Which will probably look better than the VHS transfers most have, but won't hold against the Blu Ray releases. |
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Sept 20, 2011 18:40:22 GMT -5
They would also have to square away the director credits, and all that. Donner would likely want his name removed from the movie. Way too much of a hassle, I would think. There's nothing in it for WB. richard lester stopped giving a shot 30-odd years ago. richard donne ris retired, and after SII:RDC i don't think he's so hawkish about his films anymore. the BIG "if" was the salkinds, and the brando estate, both of which would do just about anything if the cash was in cash. |
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Post by Jimbo on Sept 20, 2011 19:01:08 GMT -5
Put it this way--- I'm amazed that there was a fanbase interested enough in "Alexander" to go back and buy two more edits! I think the reason for that release was to try and get back some of the investment WB made with the film, as it was a flop. Strange how sometimes huge dissipointments are treated better than mild hits. All in the name of trying to recoup funds. I bet it was Oliver Stone's ego. The movie failed, and he used whatever clout he had left to convince WB to re-edit the movie to soothe his ego. The fact that it could be a cheap way of recovering their losses probably factored into it. How the heck he ever managed to make a second re-edit is beyond me. |
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Sept 20, 2011 19:05:01 GMT -5
I think the reason for that release was to try and get back some of the investment WB made with the film, as it was a flop. Strange how sometimes huge dissipointments are treated better than mild hits. All in the name of trying to recoup funds. I bet it was Oliver Stone's ego. The movie failed, and he used whatever clout he had left to convince WB to re-edit the movie to soothe his ego. The fact that it could be a cheap way of recovering their losses probably factored into it. How the heck he ever managed to make a second re-edit is beyond me. FACT: he blamed the failure of th efilm on 'america's mood' as george bush just got re-elected. then he made a somewhat-less-than-hit-piece about dubya...so.... uuuhhh... he's a psycho. |
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Post by Scissorpuppy on Sept 20, 2011 19:17:33 GMT -5
The first re-edit was to make the film faster, with more action and less "gay" hahaha. It came out on dvd at the same time as the original version if I remember correctly.
The next re-edit although refereed to as "revisited", ( what a year later? hahaha. ) Is probably the actual director's cut. It pretty much extends the whole film.
What do I know though? I haven't seen any version of it.
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Post by Jimbo on Sept 20, 2011 19:23:27 GMT -5
I thought the last re-cut of Alexander was called "Final Cut".
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Post by Scissorpuppy on Sept 20, 2011 20:07:31 GMT -5
Both, the full title was " Alexander Revisited: The Final Unrated Cut".
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Post by MAVERICK on Sept 20, 2011 20:10:02 GMT -5
Wait, are we really talking about another SII release again? ;D
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Sept 21, 2011 2:40:22 GMT -5
Suprisingly, I thought the last cut was pretty good and cut down on the parts that dragggggged.
At this point, I'll be thrilled if we can just get that from both STM & SII films, at least....
Though...
Wouldn't it be strange if it turned out that WB was actually cooking up something under the radar for the Donner films--- just as the "Return to Krypton" sequence ended up being a giant suprise to just about everyone when it came out on the bluray set?
Doesn't make any sense why they would keep something positive like that under wraps, but..... who knows.... here's just hoping that DVD sales in general are still big enough by the time MOS comes out on dvd that there's incentive for WB to do SOMETHING special with the inevitable MOS dvd release....
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2011 13:55:13 GMT -5
Don't most people think the extended cuts of STM and SII are shit? All that padding, all that camp, why would WB spend money on something people don't even like that much?
I think it's cute to want further stuff from the WB regarding the Donnerverse, but unfortunately it's just that. Cute.
Never gonna happen. That book is closed.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Sept 21, 2011 14:06:01 GMT -5
Compare those to how the RDC finally turned out with its editing. There wouldn't have been all that bootlegging/whatnot of the IRC SII if there wasn't some sort of demand--- let alone all the cleanup efforts for IRC of STM, no?
I think Jimbo once said that- ironically- (and correct me if I'm wrong Jimbo) the extended cut with extra Donner footage was a better cut than the RDC- and possibly more representative of Donner's stuff over Lester's stuff.
I don't disagree that there is unnecessary padding here and there on the IRC's--- but there are also great Donner scenes that got destroyed in the process for the RDC. The ideal is a better extended Donner cut, but if that's not happening, then some sort of transfer for the IRC seems the next best thing.
Plus, it's a great thing to have on the shelf--- sort of as a document of all the last existing Donner footage that was shot that wasn't included in the extended versions, if nothing else- as it's doubtful we'll ever get a dvd just of deleted scenes/alternate takes, ever.
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Post by Knight on Sept 21, 2011 16:18:02 GMT -5
It would be nice if we had the choice to buy STM and SII RIC instead on no choice at all,which is what we have now.
I have said it once and I'll say it again: Damn you Thau!! You had access to ALL of that footage and you STILL churned out a poor edit of both films. Douche!
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Post by Jimbo on Sept 21, 2011 17:09:37 GMT -5
STM KCOP cut is garbage. S2 RIC is garbage.
S2 ABC Cut is juuuuust right.
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Post by Knight on Sept 21, 2011 17:27:42 GMT -5
OK,padding and what have you aside, there is absolute gold in both STM and SII. I love all the various cuts,angles,extra flying shots,more FOS,more Jor-El in STM. Same goes for II (minus Jor-El,of course) moments of excellence peppered throughout. Lester short changed himself by removing some quality footage.  |
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