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Post by ye5man on Mar 3, 2012 6:19:10 GMT -5
I think Ford's death is a major asset to the film. That beautiful shot of the hills that follow accompanied by the horn solo is a bullseye. I am still staggered by the beauty today.
Anyone who thinks its a detriment must be repressed. Eh, Enrique made the observation? Figures ;D
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 3, 2012 6:20:59 GMT -5
I think there are certain members here that have nitpicked it so many times, that it doesn't NEED a thread-- a little bit is fine, but arguing non-stop YEARS later even after it didn't get the sequel that some of us here REALLY wanted--- there's having a sense of humor, and there's just being unpleasant. At the time it came out, fine, but years later after all hope of a sequel is squashed?
Of course I wouldn't be in a mood to nitpick it. But, for the record....I've NEVER said it was perfect- haven't you read the times I've mentioned (more than once I'm sure) that SR could have used more imaginative superheroics, NOT have the 'real estate' version of Lex, etc.? And "It's deadly...to him." is not a favorite line by ANY means.
There are things that are not perfect about SR--- but I hate that so few recognize the ambition it had, and dismiss it as just a 'cheap ripoff' when I think it's anything but. As another member put it, it was intended to retain the DOnnerverse in some fashion....
Maybe I'm just tired of the (seemingly) daily sideswipes at SR on the board on threads that aren't even talking about SR. It gets old.
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Post by ye5man on Mar 3, 2012 6:28:01 GMT -5
" That's the under-statement of the year"  ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2012 6:52:43 GMT -5
I think there are certain members here that have nitpicked it so many times, that it doesn't NEED a thread-- a little bit is fine, but arguing non-stop YEARS later even after it didn't get the sequel that some of us here REALLY wanted--- there's having a sense of humor, and there's just being unpleasant. At the time it came out, fine, but years later after all hope of a sequel is squashed? Of course I wouldn't be in a mood to nitpick it. But, for the record....I've NEVER said it was perfect- haven't you read the times I've mentioned (more than once I'm sure) that SR could have used more imaginative superheroics, NOT have the 'real estate' version of Lex, etc.? And "It's deadly...to him." is not a favorite line by ANY means. There are things that are not perfect about SR--- but I hate that so few recognize the ambition it had, and dismiss it as just a 'cheap ripoff' when I think it's anything but. As another member put it, it was intended to retain the DOnnerverse in some fashion.... Maybe I'm just tired of the (seemingly) daily sideswipes at SR on the board on threads that aren't even talking about SR. It gets old. Fair enough dude! Just saying the first thing I thought when I saw the thread was it was designed to get a little bit of revenge for SR since you seem a little uncomfortable with people criticizing it |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2012 6:54:49 GMT -5
Ford's death is a really beautiful scene though, even if it is sad.
One of the best pieces of music in film history imo.
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Post by ye5man on Mar 3, 2012 7:11:46 GMT -5
TBH, its exactly what I thought too
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 3, 2012 13:27:16 GMT -5
Oh, not at all! I'm not uncomfortable with people criticizing it, but it's the overkill at times- (*especially now, with a new film on the way) and, I confess--- yeah, I guilty of mood at times--- I definitely can shoot off over-reactions to things at times, when I should really hit 'preview' or calm down first or just have thicker skin towards the reaction to the film. ((You have no idea HOW bad I wanted a sequel to that film!))
Anyhow- my thinking for this post was-
STM will always come first in my mind---and I think others agree on that, so I thought it fun to poke holes in something that was going to be indestructable in our minds, anyways. That's why.
In fact, in the hierarchy of things, it seems:
STM - (generally) EVERYBODY loves it here, no question. (Thus, no issues poking fun at it)
SII - debatable endlessly on the 'perfect' SII, given all the versions.... but overall, parts of it we ALL love.
SIII - less love.
SIV - the punching bag of the series. I'm glad it exists, versus no fourth Reeve film, but I doubt anyone here loves it as much as STM or SII (though I could be wrong).
SR - well, possibly the most controversial of them all.
(Aside: I admire that Singer made a drama out of summer popcorn material, but he coulda/shoulda added more summer popcorn elements without disrupting the drama to make everyone happier, too. I don't think it's a cheap rip-off as some feel, but I will agree that real enjoyment of this film DOES depend on STM- I don't think it is a standalone, as much as I love it. There are too many elements that would need explaining to buy into as is, I feel.)
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Post by Jimbo on Mar 3, 2012 14:08:31 GMT -5
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D I just noticed Yoda. What's that thing in the background? |
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Post by Conor on Mar 3, 2012 17:04:03 GMT -5
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 3, 2012 19:36:54 GMT -5
Agreed.... and this is followed by other great moments that are taken seriously- (ie Clark's leaving home/ Fortress discovery) up to the flyby at the Fortress of Solitude--- and then, it takes a bit of an adjustment to get used to- BAM! Metropolis' lighter romantic comedy tone.
As much as the overall whole STM works for me, despite the intentional tone shifts- when watching the film, now and then I do wonder what it would have been like, had Donner decided to keep the very-serious tones of the film up to that point, rather than making it several films in one.
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Post by ye5man on Mar 3, 2012 20:10:25 GMT -5
I am glad the tone lightened up when we got to Metropolis. Reeve had the opportunity to show us how much fun it is to be Superman. A pity a certain other Superman film couldn't manage it
I've noticed a lot of "Donner what if's" in your recent posts Cam. Remember STM was made in the late 70s when Superhero films/TV were synonymous with camp. Donner pulled off a miracle with STM; you should focus on the positives and not try to pull it down to elevate SR
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Post by booshman on Mar 3, 2012 21:38:54 GMT -5
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D I just noticed Yoda. What's that thing in the background? It's a with a stromtrooper riding a dewback, it's a bit small to be recognisable. I was wondering if anybody spotted Yoda though. |
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Post by Metallo on Mar 4, 2012 9:56:00 GMT -5
I am glad the tone lightened up when we got to Metropolis. Reeve had the opportunity to show us how much fun it is to be Superman. A pity a certain other Superman film couldn't manage itMan of Steel aint out yet, dude. ;D kinda like pulling down SR to elevate Smallville or MOS? |
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Post by ye5man on Mar 4, 2012 10:29:30 GMT -5
eh? How can anyone elevate MOS?
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Post by Metallo on Mar 4, 2012 11:22:43 GMT -5
I ask myself that same question when you try to prop up MOS by bashing SR.  |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 4, 2012 12:20:57 GMT -5
You're reading into these posts way too personally, as if I have an agenda or mastermind plot--- which is ridiculous. I don't have that kind of time or energy to focus on 'elevating' or 'pulling down' a film. People are going to like what they like, hate what they hate.
People have their opinions on a film--- but if they like something I'm not crazy about, I don't take every opportunity in the world to bash that thing to death- discussion and debate is fascinating to me on films- and joking is fine, but there comes a point where it's just unpleasant.
I mention 'what if's' as a source of discussion as a curiosity--- Superman II will always be the 'forever unfinished' Donner film--- open to speculation for the end of time.
The 'Raging Bull' thought came up because I'd came across the film and was watching the making of it.
As far as this thread, I thought it was a given that STM is a classic...... the top ten nitpicks is just for fun, if it was truly horrible, then I doubt any of us would stick around this forum.
You are not crazy about SR and love STM/SII.... I GOT IT I GOT IT I GOT IT.
Okay? I did this post for fun, I'm sorry if it offended anyone. Geez.
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