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Post by hursty on Mar 26, 2012 16:48:41 GMT -5
Extraoordinary would be an overstatement, but Hackman did a fine job with a very, very troubled production. I enjoy the scene's he has in the movie
I think due to the sheer volume of Hackman movies, you're gonna get duds, but I think by and large, his output is fantastic. The mans won two oscars and considered movie royalty
Langella's best actor oscar is yet to come, I know it. Plummer waited half a century.
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Post by Jimbo on Mar 26, 2012 16:54:07 GMT -5
Langella gave a pretty good understated performance in a three-parter of DS9. He even humbly requested to go uncredited despite being a pretty large role.
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Post by stargazer01 on Mar 26, 2012 17:47:27 GMT -5
Langella gave a pretty good understated performance in a three-parter of DS9. He even humbly requested to go uncredited despite being a pretty large role. He was in DS9?? What season? I loved Langella in SR. He was a more understated Perry but I think he fit the movie's tone very well. His 'Great Cesar's Ghost' rocked. The guy just has a lot of presence and he is a great actor, no doubt. I like Hackman too as an actor, but Spacey is my Lex Luthor!  And why do people call Brandon the 'Lazenby' of the supermen? I'm not sure but I thought Lazenby only played Bond once and did nothing else, or am I wrong? Brandon's career hasn't been anything special so far but he has played other roles in smaller productions like Chuck and Scott Pilgrim. |
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Post by Metallo on Mar 26, 2012 17:49:00 GMT -5
Extraoordinary would be an overstatement, but Hackman did a fine job with a very, very troubled production. I enjoy the scene's he has in the movie I think due to the sheer volume of Hackman movies, you're gonna get duds, but I think by and large, his output is fantastic. The mans won two oscars and considered movie royalty Langella's best actor oscar is yet to come, I know it. Plummer waited half a century. I would certainly expect Hackman to be good considering its a role he'd already played. Its not like he was going into uncharted water bad script or no bad script. But Hackman was never the kind of guy who could play anything. He's great at what he does but he's always been limited by that. Thats the reason he turned down Silence of The Lambs despite pushing to get it made initially. He knew he couldn't do that kind of darkness. Hopkins owned that role. |
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Post by hursty on Mar 26, 2012 17:51:08 GMT -5
Langella gave a pretty good understated performance in a three-parter of DS9. He even humbly requested to go uncredited despite being a pretty large role. I like Hackman too as an actor, but Spacey is my Lex Luthor! God....really? Yes, that's unfair....Lazenby didn't do that bad a job. |
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Post by stargazer01 on Mar 26, 2012 17:52:12 GMT -5
BTW, I think the more range an actor has the best actor he is. For instance, I would never call Arnold a great or even good actor, but is/was a huge action movie star.
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Post by hursty on Mar 26, 2012 17:53:15 GMT -5
Extraoordinary would be an overstatement, but Hackman did a fine job with a very, very troubled production. I enjoy the scene's he has in the movie I think due to the sheer volume of Hackman movies, you're gonna get duds, but I think by and large, his output is fantastic. The mans won two oscars and considered movie royalty Langella's best actor oscar is yet to come, I know it. Plummer waited half a century. I would certainly expect Hackman to be good considering its a role he'd already played. Its not like he was going into uncharted water bad script or no bad script. But Hackman was never the kind of guy who could play anything. He's great at what he does but he's always been limited by that. Thats the reason he turned down Silence of The Lambs despite pushing to get it made initially. He knew he couldn't do that kind of darkness. Hopkins owned that role. Then credit Hackman for knowing his own limitations. Like I said, not being able to play any role, doesn't make you bad at what you can do well. Has Pesci ever impressed at playing a non violent criminal? |
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Post by stargazer01 on Mar 26, 2012 17:54:15 GMT -5
I like Hackman too as an actor, but Spacey is my Lex Luthor! God....really? Yes, that's unfair....Lazenby didn't do that bad a job. You're funny...! ;D Spacey is one of my fav actors ever. He rocks. |
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Post by Jimbo on Mar 26, 2012 17:57:36 GMT -5
He was in DS9?? What season? Season 2. Episodes The Homecoming, The Circle and The Siege.  Langella took the role because his children were great fans of the series. He went uncredited in all of his appearances as he did not want to seem to be doing it for the exposure or money, as guest stars can sometimes seem. |
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Post by hursty on Mar 26, 2012 17:58:33 GMT -5
God....really? Yes, that's unfair....Lazenby didn't do that bad a job. You're funny...! ;D Spacey is one of my fav actors ever. He rocks. GREAT actor. But nowhere near Hackman as Lex - in my view. |
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Post by stargazer01 on Mar 26, 2012 18:01:09 GMT -5
You're funny...! ;D Spacey is one of my fav actors ever. He rocks. GREAT actor. But nowhere near Hackman as Lex - in my view. Spacey IS LEX!!!!!!! |
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Post by stargazer01 on Mar 26, 2012 18:02:34 GMT -5
He was in DS9?? What season? Season 2. Episodes The Homecoming, The Circle and The Siege. Langella took the role because his children were great fans of the series. He went uncredited in all of his appearances as he did not want to seem to be doing it for the exposure or money, as guest stars can sometimes seem. Thanks, I kinda remember him. Sorry haven't seen the series in years. |
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Post by Metallo on Mar 26, 2012 18:12:08 GMT -5
Then credit Hackman for knowing his own limitations. Like I said, not being able to play any role, doesn't make you bad at what you can do well. Has Pesci ever impressed at playing a non violent criminal? Pesci's role in the Lethal Weapon franchise is the epitome of non violent. Pesci's always been able to play "different" he just never got as many chances after basically being typecast or stereotyped into one kind of role. Thats not the same thing. I'd rather give more credit to the actor who had the skill to make a role OSCAR worthy than the guy who knew he didn't have the tools to get it done. Has Hackman ever created a film character as iconic as Hopkins Lecter? Popeye Doyle is the only one that even comes close and I'd still argue that Lecter was more popular and influential. Much like Langella Hopkins could also do a decent job playing a heroic character like (an older) Zorro despite not being quite right for it. |
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Post by Jimbo on Mar 26, 2012 18:14:30 GMT -5
Pesci played a pretty good sympathetic role in JFK.
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Post by hursty on Mar 26, 2012 18:17:15 GMT -5
He was a criminal with fits of violence.
Popeye Doyle is right up there with Lecter for iconic roles
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Post by Metallo on Mar 26, 2012 18:17:38 GMT -5
Pesci played a pretty good sympathetic role in JFK. He was a crook but he was a weakling of a crook. It was also a much different role compared to Pescis work in Goodfellas and Casino. The character he played in JFK was far more cowardly. He was a criminal with fits of violence. Popeye Doyle is right up there with Lecter for iconic roles The majority of the film going public and the AFI would disagree with you. The Lecter character has been springboarding off Hopkins portrayal for the last 20 years. The last time anybody even heard anything about Popeye Doyle was some piece of sh*t tv pilot in 1985 starring Ed O'Neil. As cool as Doyle was Dirty Harry was a more influential and popular cop character to come out of 1971. |
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Post by hursty on Mar 26, 2012 18:34:31 GMT -5
Can't agree dude
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Post by ye5man on Mar 26, 2012 18:46:03 GMT -5
We need an iconic Luthor, where someone OWNS the role. We had 2 Jokers that were legendary (I thought Nicholson was ridiculous personally but its clear he made an impact), but no Luthor. Hackman's line readings are brilliant as Lex but I think many actors could have done an equal job. Spacey? the guy has impressed the fuck out of me in some of his work, but his Luthor was forgettable. The only things I really remember about him now are his awesome coat, cleaning his teeth (  ) and "WROOOONG!" - that last one only cos it was in the trailers. |
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Post by Metallo on Mar 26, 2012 18:50:54 GMT -5
Thats fine but it doesn't change the way it is or how things turned out. Harry Callahan has been parodied to death and become a template of sorts for every major loner or anti hero cop ever since. And there's a Red Dragon based tv series about Lecter in production right now after 4 films based on Hopkins Lecter. I'd say chain of events supports their iconic film status more. Thats pop culture talking not just me. You don't make that kind of splash unless you made an impression. |
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Post by Metallo on Mar 26, 2012 18:53:12 GMT -5
We need an iconic Luthor, where someone OWNS the role. We had 2 Jokers that were legendary (I thought Nicholson was ridiculous personally but its clear he made an impact), but no Luthor. Hackman's line readings are brilliant as Lex but I think many actors could have done an equal job. Spacey? the guy has impressed the fuck out of me in some of his work, but his Luthor was forgettable. The only things I really remember about him now are his awesome coat, cleaning his teeth ( ) and "WROOOONG!" - that last one only cos it was in the trailers. Exactly. Even ye5man is being objective here, Hurst and he loves STM. There has yet to be a definitive iconic Lex Luthor. The argument can be much better made that there have been more iconic portrayals of The Joker. |
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Post by EnriqueH on Mar 26, 2012 21:50:13 GMT -5
Hackman was kinda Michael Caine-ish with his output for a while there.
He's not getting the respect he deserves in this thread:
Great performances in: French Connection, French Connection II, Night Moves, Scarecrow, Bonnie and Clyde, I Never Sang For My Father, Hoosiers, and The Conversation.
He's also done great work in the rest of the 80s and 90s.
Absolute Power is one of his weakest performances, but in his defense, that movie sucked. The only flat out failure of Eastwood directing career that I can think of. To me, it's Eastwood's "Hook".
I think all this acting versatility is a bunch of horseshit. People rag on Pacino and De Niro's versatility for crying out loud. Yeah they play themselves a lot but they've also been versatile.
Who else is versatile? Brando and Olivier? Who else? Nicholson? Bale?
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 26, 2012 22:15:54 GMT -5
I think the thing is, most actors never know if the demand for them will all dry up overnight- and will often cash in as much as they can. Michael Caine openly admits it in his autobiography.....but, he also has a reputation for never phoning it in. By contrast, as much as I enjoy Hackman, we should also put ourselves in his shoes at the start of STM: If you were paid a LOT of money to be Luthor, would you argue with the director and refuse to shave your head and mustache? Donner did something clever to work around it, but Hackman's behavior to directors hasn't always been glowing, and the stories don't smack of someone you'd call acting professional. Nicholas Meyer was fairly kind to him in his memoir, but talks about how he admitted and felt bad about REALLY being unprofessional on the movie they collaborated on. I know actors are supposed to be treated like children, but....geez. At least Spacey was willing to shave his head to be closer to the role. Hackman wasn't even willing to shave a mustache, until tricked into it.  |
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Post by EnriqueH on Mar 26, 2012 22:21:53 GMT -5
I don't know that I've seen Hackman phone in a performance.
I don't care if he was willing to shave his mustache or not.
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Post by Metallo on Mar 26, 2012 22:28:42 GMT -5
Hackman was kinda Michael Caine-ish with his output for a while there. He's not getting the respect he deserves in this thread: Great performances in: French Connection, French Connection II, Night Moves, Scarecrow, Bonnie and Clyde, I Never Sang For My Father, Hoosiers, and The Conversation. He's also done great work in the rest of the 80s and 90s. Absolute Power is one of his weakest performances, but in his defense, that movie sucked. The only flat out failure of Eastwood directing career that I can think of. To me, it's Eastwood's "Hook". I think all this acting versatility is a bunch of horseshit. People rag on Pacino and De Niro's versatility for crying out loud. Yeah they play themselves a lot but they've also been versatile. Who else is versatile? Brando and Olivier? Who else? Nicholson? Bale? Pacinos been phoning it in for years. So has DeNiro in most cases. They should be ashamed of Righteous Kill. Most of the supporting actors at least tried to give a f*** while they didn't. Nobodies denying Hackman ain't a great actor most of the time. But that doesn't mean other actors that have done better work should be slighted to elevate Hackman. He shouldn't have his ass kissed when he turns in no so great work for whatever reason. Same is true for any actor. Bale has had his fair share of boring performances lately too. I agree with Russ on Nicholsons Joker. As fun as it was all it was was Nicholson's usual act on cocaine |
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Post by Metallo on Mar 26, 2012 22:34:13 GMT -5
I don't know that I've seen Hackman phone in a performance. I don't care if he was willing to shave his mustache or not. Maybe that lack of dedication thats the reason why we have yet to have a definitive Lex Luthor. Granted he had some silly material though. I don't think Hackman ever TRULY phoned it in but there have been times when he damn sure wasn't that interesting and I've seen other actors do better with material that was just as poor. |
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