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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 26, 2012 22:42:30 GMT -5
Well, it ended up working out, due to Donner's cleverness.... but what if Chris Reeve refused to wear wigs during times when he had alapecia (I know I'm spelling it wrong)?
Or if he refused to workout for Superman? It may not matter for the final result, but it definitely makes this or that actor look like he/she doesn't have a whole lot of respect for the material to begin with.
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Post by EnriqueH on Mar 26, 2012 22:45:17 GMT -5
Except for Absolute Power, I have found Hackman interesting in every role.
He's elevated Extreme Measures, Target, Narrow Margin, The Firm, No Way Out, Uncommon Valor and yes even SIV.
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Post by EnriqueH on Mar 26, 2012 22:48:51 GMT -5
Well, it ended up working out, due to Donner's cleverness.... but what if Chris Reeve refused to wear wigs during times when he had alapecia (I know I'm spelling it wrong)? Or if he refused to workout for Superman? It may not matter for the final result, but it definitely makes this or that actor look like he/she doesn't have a whole lot of respect for the material to begin with. Fuck it. He's a kickass actor. And kickass actors get a free pass. Love Brando too and he was a crazier sonuvabitch than Hackman. What if Brando got to portray Jor El as a bagel? |
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Post by Metallo on Mar 26, 2012 22:52:49 GMT -5
He's one of THE absolute dullest parts in A Bridge Too Far. Which is shocking since military roles usually seem to be right up his alley.
Almost EVERYBODY underplays it on that movie but Hackman's awkward in the entire thing. I see what he was trying to do but he didn't nail it.
And Loose Cannons...jeez. he should be embarrassed.
The Package was ok but nothing special. Anyone could have done that. Sh** Eastwood would have been better. Tommy Lee Jones out acts Hackman at every turn.
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Post by Metallo on Mar 26, 2012 22:55:25 GMT -5
What if Brando got to portray Jor El as a bagel? I'd tell him to f*ck off for being such a douchebag and hire someone else. That performance he gave in court to try to get his kid off was also pure ham and cheese. |
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Post by EnriqueH on Mar 26, 2012 22:56:30 GMT -5
He's one of THE absolute dullest parts in A Bridge Too Far. Which is shocking since military roles usually seem to be right up his alley. Almost EVERYBODY underplays it on that movie but Hackman's awkward in the entire thing. I see what he was trying to do but he didn't nail it. And Loose Cannons...jeez. he should be embarrassed. The Package was ok but nothing special. Anyone could have done that. Sh** Eastwood would have been better. Tommy Lee Jones out acts Hackman at every turn. Yeah, but A Bridge Too Far sucked ass. Heres an allstar cast making an epic war film and it managed to be boring. The WHOLE cast sucked and Hackman was BARELY in it to begin with, so I don't know why you're focused on Hackman's role, which would constitute a cameo if it were any shorter. The ONLY actor in that entire cast to bring zest to his role was Redford. Haven't seen The Package. |
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Post by EnriqueH on Mar 26, 2012 22:58:03 GMT -5
What if Brando got to portray Jor El as a bagel? I'd tell him to f*ck off for being such a douchebag and hire someone else. That performance he gave in court to try to get his kid off was also pure ham and cheese. Good for you. |
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Post by Metallo on Mar 26, 2012 22:59:27 GMT -5
So what if it was a cameo? I've seen some great acting in cameos. Cann, Edward Fox, Connery, and Caine were ALL way better than Hackman and his goofy assed accent. If they all sucked he sucked longest and hardest. Thats even worse.
I've also seen actors turn in better performances in movies that sucked. He was better in Welcome to Mooseport and that sucked far worse than A Bridge Too Far.
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Post by Metallo on Mar 26, 2012 23:00:49 GMT -5
I'd tell him to f*ck off for being such a douchebag and hire someone else. That performance he gave in court to try to get his kid off was also pure ham and cheese. Good for you. Good for everybody. The people who showed up serious to work didn't need a lazy fat f*** making things more difficult. As goofy as Crowe looks in MOS at least he won't need a slit up his costume or a cue card stuck on some kids forehead. |
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Post by EnriqueH on Mar 26, 2012 23:03:06 GMT -5
Good for everybody. The people who showed up serious to work didn't need a lazy fat f*** making things more difficult. Eh. Still a kickass actor. And was an amazing Jor El, I might add. Greatest actor who ever lived. |
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Post by EnriqueH on Mar 26, 2012 23:07:59 GMT -5
So what if it was a cameo? I've seen some great acting in cameos. Cann, Edward Fox, Connery, and Caine were ALL way better than Hackman and his goofy assed accent. If they all sucked he sucked longest and hardest. Thats even worse. I've also seen actors turn in better performances in movies that sucked. He was better in Welcome to Mooseport and that sucked far worse than A Bridge Too Far. Bridge was a shitty film. I'd forgotten Caine was even in it and he's another of my favorites. Even Connery, who I've considered my favorite actor for over 20 years, managed to be boring. It was probably the direction because if you have Connery, Hackman, Caine, Scheck, James Caan, Laurence Olivier, and Anthony Hopkins all managing to be boring at the same time then the director is doing something VERY wrong. If those guys are all bad, who do you blame? Hackman barely had lines, didnt he? |
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Post by Metallo on Mar 26, 2012 23:10:40 GMT -5
Good for everybody. The people who showed up serious to work didn't need a lazy fat f*** making things more difficult. Eh. Still a kickass actor. And was an amazing Jor El, I might add. Greatest actor who ever lived. He definitely did a good job ACTING like he didn't see Michael Jackson doing his pedo act when they hung out. Too bad he didn't ACT like he didn't want that last slice of crisco pie at every meal. I wish he had ACTED like something I gave a shit about seeing in the Island of Dr Moreau instead of some kind of oddity of nature Bridge was a shitty film. I'd forgotten Caine was even in it and he's another of my favorites. Even Connery, who I've considered my favorite actor for over 20 years, managed to be boring. It was probably the direction because if you have Connery, Hackman, Caine, Scheck, James Caan, Laurence Olivier, and Anthony Hopkins all managing to be boring at the same time then the director is doing something VERY wrong. If those guys are all bad, who do you blame? Hackman barely had lines, didnt he? He had plenty of lines. More than some others. When you suck hardest that just makes you the biggest bitch on the block. Cann had a bit part and he was better than Hackman. For such a shitty film why is it sitting at 7.3 on IMDB? The general consensus seems to be otherwise. |
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Post by EnriqueH on Mar 26, 2012 23:13:31 GMT -5
What does any of that static have to do with being a great actor?
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Post by Metallo on Mar 26, 2012 23:18:51 GMT -5
What does any of that static have to do with being a great actor? Brando hadn't been a GREAT actor for about a good 10-15 years before he died. The last thing he did that was even half decent was the Freshman. Being a reclusive eccentric that criscos himself up, squeezes his fat ass into a rascal, drives to the set, and reads his lines off the back of the coco pebbles box he just finished off doesn't make him a great actor. |
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Post by EnriqueH on Mar 26, 2012 23:23:19 GMT -5
Best actor that ever lived. Even as he ate like a stable of horses and washed it down with jars of Crisco.
Unceasingly entertaining.
Hackman is up there too. Yeah, he sucked in Bridge but everyone sucked in that film except for Redford. As for imdb, they got Bridge rated the same as STM! Lol!
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Post by Metallo on Mar 26, 2012 23:30:12 GMT -5
Just because Brando probably ATE Olivier's corpse with some barbecue sauce and a side of pure bacon fat doesn't prove he's the greatest actor ever....not through is entire career anyway. When he was younger yeah maybe but a big later chunk of his career is occasional crap from a guy who passed of his strange lazy ways as some method mumbo jumbo.
Rotten tomatoes has Bridge Too Far at 79 percent fresh audience rating. Whats their excuse? Methinks the film isn't as bad as some people are claiming (just to make Hackman look better). ;D
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Post by Valentine Smith on Mar 27, 2012 6:17:02 GMT -5
Yeah, I never bought Brando's "greatest ever" hype.
The guy was a damn good actor, and in his younger days was ridiculously good looking. But after On The Waterfront, Godfather, and Apocalypse Now, I can't think of much he did that was that great.
I'd say that during the period between Mean Streets and Goodfellas, DeNiro was every bit the actor that Brando ever was, before he just started collecting a paycheck to "be DeNiro" in all of his movies. Same thing with Pacino. Pacino was BRILLIANT, perhaps better than both of those guys, in the 70s and early 80s, and then all he's done is yell for the last 25 years.
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Post by EnriqueH on Mar 27, 2012 6:43:09 GMT -5
Just because Brando probably ATE Olivier's corpse with some barbecue sauce and a side of pure bacon fat doesn't prove he's the greatest actor ever....not through is entire career anyway. When he was younger yeah maybe but a big later chunk of his career is occasional crap from a guy who passed of his strange lazy ways as some method mumbo jumbo. Rotten tomatoes has Bridge Too Far at 79 percent fresh audience rating. Whats their excuse? Methinks the film isn't as bad as some people are claiming (just to make Hackman look better). ;D He ate Olivier's corpse with BBQ sauce and an entire jar of Metallo's bitter Haterade as I understand it. Bridge was a dull affair. I'm not defending Hackman's performance anymore than I defended his performance in Absolute Power. Nothing was memorable about the film except for Redford. |
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Post by ye5man on Mar 27, 2012 6:44:27 GMT -5
I don't know what happened to DeNiro. He cashed in around 2000 on his screen image and never looked back. Regarding his acting, there's only a few films I can think of where he's not "DeNero-ish": Raging Bull, Godfather 2 and King of Comedy. Even when he played Frankenstein, he was undeniably Robert De Niro ;D
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Post by EnriqueH on Mar 27, 2012 6:45:42 GMT -5
Yeah, I never bought Brando's "greatest ever" hype. The guy was a damn good actor, and in his younger days was ridiculously good looking. But after On The Waterfront, Godfather, and Apocalypse Now, I can't think of much he did that was that great. I'd say that during the period between Mean Streets and Goodfellas, DeNiro was every bit the actor that Brando ever was, before he just started collecting a paycheck to "be DeNiro" in all of his movies. Same thing with Pacino. Pacino was BRILLIANT, perhaps better than both of those guys, in the 70s and early 80s, and then all he's done is yell for the last 25 years. The Men, Streetcar Named Desire, Julius Ceasar, Last Tango in Paris, Reflections in a Goldeneye. Thought those were all great. I liked him in AN a lot too, but don't consider one of my favorite performances . |
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Post by EnriqueH on Mar 27, 2012 6:47:29 GMT -5
I don't know what happened to DeNiro. He cashed in around 2000 on his screen image and never looked back. Regarding his acting, there's only a few films I can think of where he's not "DeNero-ish": Raging Bull, Godfather 2 and King of Comedy. Even when he played Frankenstein, he was undeniably Robert De Niro ;D The question then is who is a great versatile actor? |
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Post by hursty on Mar 27, 2012 6:50:18 GMT -5
The majority of the film going public and the AFI would disagree with you. Glad you think you are qualified to speak for the majority of the film going public, I myself am not. But I am safe in the knowledge that Hackman is considered a legend, and Doyle is every inch an iconic movie character. Is that a good or bad thing? I should be thankful for this never-ending franchise? Lecter is better because there hasn't been a Popeye Doyle animated series? Or a Popeye Doyle: The Early Years featuring Colin Farrell as the irascible Doyle? Both Hopkins sequels to Silence weren't exactly positively received. French Connection II however was praised for Hackmans stunning portrayal of heroin addiction. Again, you are seeing franchises and sequels as 'proof' in your argument. The fact is, Doyle kept his legend inact, he wasn't seen pushing 60 wheezing around city blocks trying to catch criminals way past his sell by date. I do love the original Dirty Harry, but the sequels suck. And the French Connection, for me, is a superior film. Vastly. |
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Post by hursty on Mar 27, 2012 7:03:55 GMT -5
He's not getting the respect he deserves in this thread I know. Mad isn't it. Ahhh, The Conversation! Thank you for mentioning that one. You want versatility? Gene plays completely against type here as a paranoid loner. This is a CLASSIC movie. I know, moronic to suggest any different. Those who criticize De Niro need to watch films like The King of Comedy, Awakenings and Sleepers. And Pacino? Take a look at Dog Day Afternoon, Serpico, Panic In Needle Park, etc etc. |
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Post by EnriqueH on Mar 27, 2012 7:08:52 GMT -5
Pacino and Hackman did a movie together called Scarecrow. They did great work. Hackman says its his favorite performance.
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Post by hursty on Mar 27, 2012 7:10:40 GMT -5
Yeah, I never bought Brando's "greatest ever" hype. The guy was a damn good actor, and in his younger days was ridiculously good looking. But after On The Waterfront, Godfather, and Apocalypse Now, I can't think of much he did that was that great. I'd say that during the period between Mean Streets and Goodfellas, DeNiro was every bit the actor that Brando ever was, before he just started collecting a paycheck to "be DeNiro" in all of his movies. Same thing with Pacino. Pacino was BRILLIANT, perhaps better than both of those guys, in the 70s and early 80s, and then all he's done is yell for the last 25 years. Brando earned his reputation with a string of hit films in the 50's and he dined out on it for the rest of his life Question, if you could command $4 and a percentage of the gross or 15 minutes of screen-time....wouldn't you? If Hollywood wants to be that crazy, you'd be a fool to object. Brando played the game and was a very rich man as a result And his performances in Waterfront, Godfather and Superman are absolutely supreme! |
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