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Post by booshman on May 9, 2012 0:33:24 GMT -5
He did a great job on that scene. I miss the music for the build up in the scene like the other edits like boosh and cam . I've not used this scene in an edit yet Matt  Superman fans may recognize where the "He, he..."woman came fromYou know you're a massive geek when you know where this "He, he..." woman footage was from before even watching the clip.  |
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Post by matt on May 9, 2012 1:35:56 GMT -5
I mixed up yours and Tyler's edits. The music makes a huge difference for the scene. Without that music the build up seems flat. I wish there was a way to contact Selutron and tell him to add that music.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 9, 2012 11:22:16 GMT -5
Well, to be fair, it's Selutron's roto work in the beginning and this scene in particular that inspired, and got me to mimick a couple of his choices- the neat thing to see was him use/complete the shot of Clark running to Lois as she jumps- and having Clark run out immediately from the following shot.
What I'm less crazy about is Lois's 'float' from the still image of the DP looking upwards. I tried something similar with a still image (from a distance) of the same building, but found an image of the building from a different angle and panned down to show how tall the building is, and how long the distance is,and how fast someone might drop (there's a lack of a sense of speed of Lois falling in both the RDC & this clip)
Also, when Lois goes to fall on the awning, I used the behind the scenes footage that pans down the same building & rotoscoped Lois dropping on top of it. (If I can, I'll post the clip soon for comparison)
IF Selutron gets the right to do an official cut, I'd like to see the music changed and those shots put in, but I agree that if Selutron DOES get the greenlight..... the window of time for that seems to be when MOS gets around to being released on dvd.
The fact that there's no real extra effort to put in additional dvd material for Spiderman for the upcoming reboot, is not encouraging for seeing new stuff on dvd to tie into MOS...and, subsequently, not encouraging for the possibility of seeing Selutron get the greenlight to re-edit- but who knows?
I have to say that the 'he, he...' from Lois and Clark is a clever addition, but I have a feeling that the Niagara music wouldn't fit this or some of the other changes here. I think it's unlikely that the producers of L&C would be crazy about that footage being repurposed for a separate production... Also, it doesn't fit nearly as smooth as his "Swarm" footage.
As far as contacting Selutron for suggestions--- I have a feeling Selutron checks this thread out, or has a friend that fills him in... but, (and maybe all editors have to be this way to get the work done), he seems pretty strong in his views, he seems to be pretty closed off to ideas, based on his original youtube channel & comments then.
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Post by tomahawk on May 9, 2012 23:09:09 GMT -5
He did a great job on that scene. I miss the music for the build up in the scene like the other edits like boosh and cam . I've not used this scene in an edit yet Matt Superman fans may recognize where the "He, he..."woman came fromYou know you're a massive geek when you know where this "He, he..." woman footage was from before even watching the clip. Ok so I have to hand back my massive geek license. Where is it from? |
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Post by booshman on May 10, 2012 0:48:33 GMT -5
I've not used this scene in an edit yet Matt Superman fans may recognize where the "He, he..."woman came fromYou know you're a massive geek when you know where this "He, he..." woman footage was from before even watching the clip. Ok so I have to hand back my massive geek license. Where is it from? It's from the pilot episode of Lois and Clark, when Clark stops an out of control bus. The shot in the opening credits when he leaves a hand shaped dent in the front of a bus is from the same scene. |
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Post by tomahawk on May 10, 2012 1:16:25 GMT -5
Thanks! I thought it was something like that. Haven't seen that since it was aired.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 10, 2012 10:40:38 GMT -5
On another note, if Selutron is back at work on his edit, then would love to see 'new' stuff he's come up with for the Metro battle- or if he's going to stick to mainly using the existing material from both films. I know he mentioned putting out a call for model builders at one time, but who knows? In any case, anything new is definitely welcome imo for this film....
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Post by TylerDurden389 on May 10, 2012 11:25:41 GMT -5
On another note, if Selutron is back at work on his edit, then would love to see 'new' stuff he's come up with for the Metro battle- or if he's going to stick to mainly using the existing material from both films. I know he mentioned putting out a call for model builders at one time, but who knows? In any case, anything new is definitely welcome imo for this film.... Haven't thought of that CAM, good point. Yes, with MOS on the horizon it's interesting to see Sel getting involved in things again. Posting his clips in better quality, and now actually putting in some new work towards that Lois DP jump edit. I'd like to think that maybe something is brewing. TBH though, with some of the other edit ideas I've seen, as well as time changing my view of things, I'm not 100% sure I'd like to see him alone do a re-edit of S2 anymore. 5 years ago I was 100% certain he was the only one capable of the job. But now it's more like 70%. The other 30% is a varied contribution from everyone else (you, Boosh, Jimbo, myself, Veris, etc..) And the only reason he still gets 70% and not, like 40%, is because when I watch the Washington DC clips, it really makes me intrigued as to what other ideas he has. Everything else, (Superman changing clothes in an alleyway for example) are relatively simple ideas that I know most of us would've thought of eventually. The good thing though is that we all have at least a *somewhat* concrete idea of what we think works. We all seem to agree on most things for the edit. And when it comes to new ideas for new scenes/shots, the response is almost always positive (like the new shot Boosh made of Supes flying out of the FOS to get dinner, for example). In fact, I'd say the only things that we tend to be split down the middle are: 1. Opening. Recap, no recap. Time reversal mention, no time reversal mention. Villains released by XK-101 rocket, or hydrogen bomb. I'm in favor of re-cap and time reversal mention because I want S2 to truly feel like a sequel to the first (IMO). 2. Lois finds out. Pink bear or blank bullets. I think Sel's edit works best, but only as an idea and not in execution (of course I know it can be done a lot better if he or someone else edited it now). 3. Ending. Time reversal re-hash, amnesia kiss, ambiguity, or Lois knowing his secret and making light of it the next morning. I of course like Lois knowing his secret and them playing it off for laughs because: 1) Even if if I watch the "Superman Redeemed' fan edit (I refuse to watch 3 and 4 on their own), there isn't enough Lois in it for them to properly address that situation. 2) Lois has known his secret in the comics. 3) I honestly believe it's the best ending, but only if you use the RIC dialogue edit of FOS goodbye scene (Margot's reading was in a much more positive tone. Especially with the music). |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 10, 2012 19:04:44 GMT -5
If it doesn't happen with MOS.... then will the next window be a sequel? (Assuming it's successful enough to get one & the politics are right).... The other thing that I can think of that might stymie the whole 'revisit to re-editing SII officially' --- is projected DVD sales. Star Wars, it's not. (Sadly)
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Post by EvilSupes on May 12, 2012 10:06:56 GMT -5
On another note, if Selutron is back at work on his edit, then would love to see 'new' stuff he's come up with for the Metro battle- or if he's going to stick to mainly using the existing material from both films. I know he mentioned putting out a call for model builders at one time, but who knows? In any case, anything new is definitely welcome imo for this film.... I think he should just do it and release it like Adywan's Star Wars Revisisted. It would probably end up being just as good as that, if he got the right help of people involved. Otherwise he is no different from what other editors can offer e.g. Booshman. |
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Post by Rod on May 12, 2012 10:57:31 GMT -5
pretty good editors by the way! lets make a petition, shall we? release the damn thing, selutron! |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 12, 2012 11:12:56 GMT -5
I've heard of nothing but great things about this.
"Who is this Adywan you speak of? Who is this imbecile?" (jk)
Is his work THAT good? Did he really turn the prequel Star Wars movies into gold?
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Post by EvilSupes on May 12, 2012 11:23:12 GMT -5
He made the best Special Edition version of Star Wars ever in my opinion. He took modern technology and did what George Lucas should have done to Star Wars in terms of updating it. Of course it doesn't beat the original version, but it compliments it very well without the over-the-top features that Lucas inserted with his.
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Post by TylerDurden389 on May 12, 2012 20:28:01 GMT -5
He made the best Special Edition version of Star Wars ever in my opinion. He took modern technology and did what George Lucas should have done to Star Wars in terms of updating it. Of course it doesn't beat the original version, but it compliments it very well without the over-the-top features that Lucas inserted with his. There are so many fan edits of all the star wars films on fanedit.org that i'm simply too intimidated to check out what they have to offer. I still have my 1995 vhs tapes of the original trilogy, which was the last release before the "special" editions. And I will never get rid of them lol. |
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Post by booshman on May 12, 2012 22:45:18 GMT -5
There are so many fan edits of all the star wars films on fanedit.org that i'm simply too intimidated to check out what they have to offer. I still have my 1995 vhs tapes of the original trilogy, which was the last release before the "special" editions. And I will never get rid of them lol. If you exclude the all in one edits, the prequels, documentaries/ reviews and grindhouse style edits, there aren't that many edits to choose from. For episode IV, I'd go with Adywan's Revisited Purist cut. It's got all of the redone effects and recolouring work, but without the new score additions or re-editing. It was taken off FE.org for not qualifying as a true fanedit, but you should be able to find it. That being said, nothing beats the original not fucked about with versions of the OT. |
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Post by TylerDurden389 on May 13, 2012 0:37:43 GMT -5
If you exclude the all in one edits, the prequels, documentaries/ reviews and grindhouse style edits, there aren't that many edits to choose from. For episode IV, I'd go with Adywan's Revisited Purist cut. It's got all of the redone effects and recolouring work, but without the new score additions or re-editing. It was taken off FE.org for not qualifying as a true fanedit, but you should be able to find it. That being said, nothing beats the original not fucked about with versions of the OT. I'd probably check it out just out of curiosity, but I still find a charm in watching those outdated effects. heck, after buying the special edition dvd of Terminator 1, I re-bought Terminator 1 on vhs again because I didn't like how the dvd fixed up and altered a lot of things like the sound effects. For example, when Arnold kills the first Sarah Conner, originally his pistol had Dirty Harry's .44 magnum sound effect, but on the dvd it sounds so low that you'd think it was "movie gun silencer" sound lol. And of course, I went and re-bought Superman 1 on vhs after I couldn't stand watching my 2001 special edition dvd anymore. Anytime I hear sound effects from a videogame I played at 14, in a movie I watched at 3, I tune out. After Lex kills the detective with the train,when he goes through the door that goes up, that sound effect was the same sound effect for the same type of "up moving' door in Resident Evil 2. So yeah, my discontent towards Thau goes back long before the Donner Cut lol. Oh and that sound we hear in the special edition and the Donner Cut right when the Phantom Zone captures the villains still irritates me. Boosh, please, when you edit that part, PLEASE use the audio from the theatrical. Oh, I do have a shorter fan edit of Return of the Jedi (I forget which one). I like how this editor changed the order of scenes in the beginning (opening the film with Luke getting his final words from yoda. Which implies that Luke had been training with him between Empire and Jedi. However, this editor cut out so much of the ewok stuff, that the 96 minute run-time (with credits) makes the film not feel "epic" enough. Also, he threw in "Duel of the fates" for a moment, and I'd rather the film didn't have any connection to the prequels. Especially since Lucas re-hashed the one good thing from Episode 1 and milked it for all it was worth in ALL 3 prequels. |
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Post by booshman on May 13, 2012 8:45:34 GMT -5
Yeah the mono mix for Terminator is much better than the 5.1 mix.
I do miss the green suit in STM that was present in some of the blue screen shots.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 13, 2012 13:27:32 GMT -5
Agreed! What's odd is vaguely remembering different sound mixes in different theatres--- thought it was my imagination, until a friend pointed out (either to an article or an interview, I forget which/where) that there WERE different sound mixes even back on the original theatrical run...
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Post by EvilSupes on May 14, 2012 13:05:40 GMT -5
Yeah the mono mix for Terminator is much better than the 5.1 mix. I do miss the green suit in STM that was present in some of the blue screen shots. Green is still intact in a lot of shots on the STM theatrical blu-ray. The expanded version has a different colour timing, and has corrected most of those shots. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 14, 2012 20:40:01 GMT -5
That's fascinating... I always hated the idea that he quit, then rushed back, so that's interesting to hear. Same with the result after the ewoks stuff got cut out.... Did the editor restore some of the blu ray deleted snippets? (ie the conflicted soldier ready to blow up Endor, the bit with the red guard threatening Darth Vader) Maybe that would have helped? (a little)
On the flip side, I'm curious if ANY editor tried to restore what Gary Kurtz said was the original idea for ROTJ: That Han Solo dies, Luke's NOT Leia's twin (horrible idea once they kissed in ESB- what the heck, George?) sister, and that Luke leaves at the end of the film to start a new line of Jedi.
Theoretically, with rotoscoping (and seeing all the fabulous work editors are doing out there) I guess it COULD be done.... although a heckuva lot of work.
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Post by TylerDurden389 on May 14, 2012 22:12:11 GMT -5
CAM, I have no idea what blu-ray stuff you're talking about lol. I will never buy the blu-rays. All I can say is that there was nothing new in the edit I have.
Btw, my brother and I have had an ongoing joke for years now where we joke about how long it'll be until Lucas remasters "A New Hope' and digitally alters Mark Hamill's face so that he looks the same as he does in the sequels lol.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 14, 2012 22:49:19 GMT -5
There are deleted scenes (although more like 'deleted snippets') on the blu-rays of Star Wars, one of the better things on the ROTJ one was also the micro-bit of Luke building a lightsaber. Nothing too substantial, but it's a pity these deleted bits weren't reinserted into ROTJ.
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