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Post by EnriqueH on Nov 27, 2012 16:07:58 GMT -5
I think they should connect it to the Nolanverse.
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Post by Kirok on Nov 27, 2012 16:13:44 GMT -5
This is a terrible idea. If this is any indication where WB's head is at when it comes to "Justice League," no thank you. Either do it right or don't do it at all. Hopefully this all falls through, and I don't just mean the JGL rumors, I mean the entire project. Let MOS be an awesome movie and let us enjoy a Superman trilogy the same way we enjoyed the last Batman trilogy. When that's over, then we can see where we are. There's no shame in not doing things the Marvel way; they've won the film war, no point in trying to catch up now...
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Post by SupermanUF on Nov 27, 2012 16:23:57 GMT -5
And what of his scientific mind? What would John Blake Batman do when his equipment fails? What does he do when he has no idea how to maintain it, to fix it, to improve it? You're forgetting that Batman is a scientist, maybe above all else. No, Bruce/Batman is a detective above all else. All the scientific mind/equipment failure is what Fox is there for. John Blake is not my preference, mind you, but I don't think it's all that crazy. Especially it it's to be in the Nolanverse. JLA isn't a Batman movie, afterall. If it's not in the Nolanverse, then put whoever you want behind the cowl. So now you've got a Batman that NEEDS a sidekick (Fox), and is not as completely independent and self sufficient as Bruce Wayne. JGL as BATMAN makes for an interesting END to the trilogy, and maybe may make an interesting future one-off movie before they inevitably decided to reboot it with Bruce Wayne again--but the idea of this Nolan construct REPLACING Bruce Wayne as Batman just before a JLA movie is what I find unacceptable. Batman is a far fetched concept, but because BRUCE WAYNE has the mind, money, resources, and determination, we can believe it. I just have a hard time believing this Blake guy can sustain it the same way Bruce does, even if Bruce gave him the money. He may be street smart and a detective, but he lacks Bruce's book smarts and worldliness which are an essential part of what makes Batman sustainable. Also, we're just thinking about their interactions in the costume. Remember the WB "Worlds Finest" Animated Episode? A HUGE part of what made that so great was the dynamic between Bruce and Clark. Bruce is flashy and a showman, Clark is humble. This Blake dude... can't see him living it up quite like Bruce. |
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Post by Keith on Nov 27, 2012 16:31:02 GMT -5
Didn't Nolan say something like Superman would never work in the Batman universe that he created?
Then WB shouldn't tie in the Nolanverse to the new DCUm(movies) that they are doing with Superman and JL.
John Blakes Batman just wouldn't be right. It needs to be Bruce.
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Post by SupermanUF on Nov 27, 2012 16:39:36 GMT -5
Either way, the rumor is debunked for now. From comicbookmovie.com: "We usually get a "No Comment" or outright denial when it comes to most casting rumours, so it shouldn't come as a huge surprise to learn that Joseph Gordon-Levitt's reps have flat out denied his involvement with Justice League. It was thought that the Looper star would reprise his role from The Dark Knight Rises as 'John Blake', first with a cameo in Man of Steel and then as a member of the League. While this would have placed the highly anticipated superhero ensemble in the same universe as Christopher Nolan's Batman trilogy, it still riled fans that 'Bruce Wayne' would not be beneath the cowl. Well, Hollywood.com, "checked in with Gordon-Levitt's reps who have refuted the rumor entirely." It seems far more likely that this "rumour" has been leaked by Warner Bros. simply as a way of boosting interest in the release of The Dark Knight Rises on DVD and Blu-ray next week, but you'll have to make sure to stay tuned for any further updates!"
Read more at www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=70542#dekUzh4pwaziQC5k.99 |
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Post by ShogunLogan on Nov 27, 2012 18:09:44 GMT -5
So now you've got a Batman that NEEDS a sidekick (Fox), and is not as completely independent and self sufficient as Bruce Wayne. Well, you saw the Nolan Batman movies, didn't you? In any event, it's debunked for now so this is just internet fodder. |
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Post by SupermanUF on Nov 27, 2012 18:58:20 GMT -5
[Well, you saw the Nolan Batman movies, didn't you? Yes, have you? Because Nolan sure doesn't make Batman a detective. He plays up the Bond-style Batman. Action and gadgets and femme fatales. I would love to see a Batman film more in the vein of Sherlock, but I know that'll never happen. I still maintain that Batman, historically, is a scientist above all else. He is a detective through analysis and deduction. The scientific method. And the technical side of his scientific mind is evident in his ability to carry out his own lab work and forensics, as well as the creation and maintenance of his gadgetry. I'm not saying he's Bruce Banner... but it's different than just a street cop detective. |
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Post by EnriqueH on Nov 28, 2012 0:38:49 GMT -5
I dunno, I would love to have the Nolanverse connected to a Justice League movie.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2012 4:03:28 GMT -5
If, at the end of MOS, they tie in TDKR, it will, truly, blow my fucking mind.
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Post by cypher85 on Nov 28, 2012 8:14:47 GMT -5
Agreed.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Nov 28, 2012 11:32:49 GMT -5
Interesting. Good points.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Nov 28, 2012 11:54:50 GMT -5
It'd be a neat thing to see a post-credits bit tying it to the JLA, but at this point, it's hard to see if there's any real master plan at work.... so having a clue in each individual superhero film would be neat, but not something to read into too deeply, I'd imagine. Have a hunch that (just like most of the 'post credit clues'), they'd be making the shite up as they go.
Still.... given how long these projects seem to take to actually get made, would be neat to see a bit of SOMETHING at the end for the JLA....
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Post by ShogunLogan on Nov 28, 2012 12:12:39 GMT -5
[Well, you saw the Nolan Batman movies, didn't you? Yes, have you? Because Nolan sure doesn't make Batman a detective. He plays up the Bond-style Batman. Action and gadgets and femme fatales. I would love to see a Batman film more in the vein of Sherlock, but I know that'll never happen. I still maintain that Batman, historically, is a scientist above all else. He is a detective through analysis and deduction. The scientific method. And the technical side of his scientific mind is evident in his ability to carry out his own lab work and forensics, as well as the creation and maintenance of his gadgetry. I'm not saying he's Bruce Banner... but it's different than just a street cop detective. I mean that he needed assistance (sidekicks, if you will) heavily in the Nolan movies...Fox, Alfred, Gordon, Catwoman, "Robin". It's not like he did everything on his own and, in fact, was bailed out several times by them. I don't equate analyzing a fingerprint or analyzing a substance forensically as part of the Scientific Method but I get what you are implying (I mean, he's not exactly contructing a hypothesis, testing this hypothesis several times to draw a conclusion based on the data). I suppose to get Batman to be a 'true' detective, you would have to introduce the Riddler. Which would be mightily cool. |
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Nov 28, 2012 13:30:16 GMT -5
with regard to a JL moviei am not going to i am going to TRY and NOT get upset/excited or even mildly invested in ANYTHING untill AFTER the release of "man of steel".
once the public/media reaction to that is in THEN rumors and leaks and casting and directors will REALLY matter.
untill the camera rolls- its all "iffy".
personally, i'd like to see a nolan-4 with nightwing/batman beyond, produced by nolan and directed by whoever concurrent but not connected to JL.
i don't think it'd "confuse" anyone and i actually don;t think most people would even care.
WE pay attention to the minutia because we are nerds.
the average joe going to the movies knows that iron man and captain america are in the same universe because they see them in the same movie at the same time. most viewers probably don;t know if it's a marvel or dc (or otherwise) or that spider-man is a marvel but couldn't be in avengers because of studio licensing.
seeing a batman spinoff, then seeing a new series of batman films wouldnt be that much different than after the burton/schoemaucer series there was a catwoman movie NOT tethered to the series and a "birds of prey" tv series that MIGHT be connected to the series.
when "batman begins" was released some might have thought "prequel" but once you're in the theater a well written and competently directed movie will explain itself.
smallville and superman returns were concurrent and i dont think it confused anyone.
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Nov 28, 2012 13:36:17 GMT -5
some of you guys are probably "that guy" in your circle of friends/acquaintances that is "the guy who likes the sci-fi stuff..."
we had the family thanksgiving dinner last week, and first time i;ve seen my brother in law in months- FIRST thing he says:
"hey aaron..heard there's going to be new star wars movies...eh? bet you're all over that"..
now you or i could go on all day (we often do) about stuff like that but most people are much more casual and only want to go see a good movie.
i highly doubt that JL will be connected even loosely nolan-batman. not that it would be a bad idea but that nolan wanted a unique, singular version of the character isolated. it's the same reason batman begins was not a prequel to batman 89 (it would not have made any sense anyway).
out of deference to nolan i think it's 99% likely the JL movie will be based on man of steel and introduce a new batman.
i doubt they'd have a nolan 4 AND a JL batman at the same time- but i'm greedy. ;D
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Nov 28, 2012 13:40:51 GMT -5
with regard to a JL moviei am not going to i am going to TRY and NOT get upset/excited or even mildly invested in ANYTHING untill AFTER the release of "man of steel". Well, that's smart thinking- but it's fun to speculate --- and a post-credits bit is almost expected to look for something at the end of a superhero movie nowadays. As bad as Green Lantern was, if there was a post-credit bit where he was approached by Maxwell Lord or such- it wouldn't have saved the movie (nothing really could), but it might have been a moment where one could get excited about the prospects of something bigger in mind for fans to speculate on, from reading the comics, even if it was only a few seconds. |
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Post by EnriqueH on Nov 28, 2012 13:48:29 GMT -5
They really blew it with GL, didn't they.
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Post by cypher85 on Nov 28, 2012 13:49:47 GMT -5
Um...that was the [mid-credits] bit with sinestro putting on the yellow ring
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Post by Kirok on Nov 28, 2012 14:04:42 GMT -5
They really blew it with GL, didn't they. Yep. It was the key to opening up a greater DC Universe on film, the "Iron Man" of DCm and they could not have dropped the ball more. Before its release there was talk of fast-tracking production on a sequel for a 2013 release. Since it bombed and the sequel was put on indefinite hold, MOS got pushed from winter 2012 to summer 2013 to fill it's slot, and now we're looking at a potential JL film with Superman as the only established hero...and maybe a non-Bruce Wayne Batman too. Way to go, WB. |
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Post by Keith on Nov 28, 2012 14:35:00 GMT -5
Really what needs to be done is WB needs to separate from DC and create a DC Studios. Where DC is in charge of making decisions and putting it all together the way it should be, not the money hungry studio execs at WB. I personally would bring Bruce Timm and his team in and work with DC to produce some of the best Live Action Superhero movies. They do spectacular with in the DC animated movie department, why not make the switch to live action. They could really put out some good quality stuff.
As long as WB is in complete control, the DC movies will never pass the quality of stuff that Marvel is doing right now. We'll probably just keep getting more Catwomans and Green Lanterns. And WB will keep wondering why these movies are bombing when they shouldn't be, not with these characters.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Nov 28, 2012 15:05:08 GMT -5
Ah, I totally forgot about that. You're right. I just remember being SO shocked at how badly done just about every scene was on this anticipated film, that I felt like I'd been through a war by the time the credits came. Probably blanked it out from memory.  |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Nov 28, 2012 15:17:07 GMT -5
I don't begrudge WB for being money-hungry as I blame them for not realizing that whatever system they'd been working from just isn't/hasn't been working and that they've been sitting on a treasure chest full of DC properties that have (except for Batman) been going NOWHERE but in committee room heck, year after year after year, it seems. Maybe the best thing to happen would be for the descendants of all the DC properties' creators to sue, gain the rights, and sell them all to Marvel Studios! Sad, eh? Hopefully MOS is a point where things turn around and WB starts to get its act together from then on. Of course we'll soon see.... but if MOS is only a modest hit that prompts everything getting stalled all over again....yikes.  |
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Post by SupermanUF on Nov 28, 2012 17:03:23 GMT -5
Really what needs to be done is WB needs to separate from DC and create a DC Studios. Where DC is in charge of making decisions and putting it all together the way it should be, not the money hungry studio execs at WB. I personally would bring Bruce Timm and his team in and work with DC to produce some of the best Live Action Superhero movies. They do spectacular with in the DC animated movie department, why not make the switch to live action. They could really put out some good quality stuff. As long as WB is in complete control, the DC movies will never pass the quality of stuff that Marvel is doing right now. We'll probably just keep getting more Catwomans and Green Lanterns. And WB will keep wondering why these movies are bombing when they shouldn't be, not with these characters. I don't know if putting it all in DCs hands is the right answer either! I mean DC seems to be to comic companies what WB is to movie studios... a mess. It's funny now matter how much the comics try to change the heroes over the years, we as the audience still want to see them in as classic form as possible in the movies. I don't think DC gets that, but who knows... it's all a matter of getting the right guy in there calling the shots, I guess. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Nov 28, 2012 18:33:53 GMT -5
Agreed. In DC's case, I don't know if the reboot fever/crossover fever is a case of DC just trying to survive financially, by any desperate means possible, or if its a truly clever choice by minds at the top over there----but, personally.... I agree. It's a mess creatively.
It's hard to know what the real problem is at WB, though.... is it ONE person that's making wrong calls at the top, or if it's a committee that's (more often than not it seems) making wrong calls or getting things gridlocked with these superhero films.
What's so weird is: DC (to my knowledge) hasn't licensed ANY of these characters out, and WB has total rights to all of them. Seems they could have made MANY superhero films in the time that the Nolan Batman series came out, and Marvel has proved it can be done.... While WB continually seems to keep most of these projects in development heck. (Has anyone followed the mess that was the Wonder Woman movie? Or Shazam? Oy.) I guess it's a miracle of sorts that Green Lantern even got made, but....ugh.
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Post by Kirok on Nov 29, 2012 0:52:48 GMT -5
I don't know how many of you are familiar with Its Just Some Random Guy on YouTube, but he does some very clever videos, and this pretty much sums it up:
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