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Post by crazy_asian_man on Nov 29, 2012 12:42:12 GMT -5
I caught a lot of his vids, they're great, I agree.
Back to the general discussion about JL and WB planning..... I know that there were GIANT hopes of GL kickstarting everything (at least it seemed that way from Geoff Johns' talk at Wondercon)....and Geoff Johns kept mentioning that big plans were coming for a LOT of comic book properties--- but that was before GL became the Titanic and sank everyone onboard.
I wonder HOW far back the GL debacle pulled DC back into the dark ages of development heck for their superhero properties.... like everything else that goes wrong at WB/DC, I guess it's all behind closed doors and we can only speculate.....
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Post by SupermanUF on Nov 29, 2012 13:23:35 GMT -5
These Justice League stories are spinning out of control. While we all know WB can be downright idiotic, there is no way they can be THIS stupid.
Remember how there couldn't even be a younger version of Bruce Wayne in Smallville because they didn't want it to conflict with their successful Batman movie franchise? NO WAY will they have two different Supermen onscreen at the same time.
I think we all get so caught up in emotion with this stuff, we neglect to see the business side of it. If Man of Steel blows up the box office, which I'm guessing it will, WB will want to cast the same Superman in a JL movie, because it's all about box office draw and making money and getting people's butts in the seats. That's a lot harder to do when you have an unproven person playing a role or recast a role.
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Nov 29, 2012 16:45:34 GMT -5
UF- I think you're right that JL will alnost cetainly have cavill- but the smallville ban on bruce wayne had more to do with nolans hawkishness for the character.
If WB/DC was afraid of confusing the public with competing versions of the same character then superman returns wouldn't have been allowed to have clark kent
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Post by Rod on Nov 30, 2012 21:11:43 GMT -5
i think Michael Fassbender would be a great role as The Flash
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2012 2:27:02 GMT -5
Huh? Why?
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Post by ger-el on Dec 1, 2012 23:50:11 GMT -5
The first JL movie had a different Superman than SR. I don't think WB would go with a different actor, but it seemed they may have before.
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Post by cypher85 on Dec 3, 2012 10:15:27 GMT -5
Darkseid (un)officially confirmed as the big bad. Seems like the logical choice. No surprises here.
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Post by Keith on Dec 3, 2012 11:00:57 GMT -5
Wow they are gonna go with a big baddie with the first one? Seems like he should have been saved for the sequel.. If they did do a sequel, who is there that would be that would be worst than Darksied?
Unless they did Death of Superman with it and have Doomsday, then bring Superman back in one of the Superman sequels.. oh that's a cool idea doe a JL sequel lol.
There's not going to be any other DC movies before JL comes out beside MOS.. can they pull off introducing all the JL and Darkseid & co.? If not, seems like a lot of stuff would be crammed into this movie. Might work if it's 3 hours long or so.
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Dec 3, 2012 20:10:33 GMT -5
Wow they are gonna go with a big baddie with the first one? Seems like he should have been saved for the sequel.. If they did do a sequel, who is there that would be that would be worst than Darksied? Unless they did Death of Superman with it and have Doomsday, then bring Superman back in one of the Superman sequels.. oh that's a cool idea doe a JL sequel lol. There's not going to be any other DC movies before JL comes out beside MOS.. can they pull off introducing all the JL and Darkseid & co.? If not, seems like a lot of stuff would be crammed into this movie. Might work if it's 3 hours long or so. yeah- "darkseid" should be built up to- in 2 or 3 films. maybe (and i hope) he is the villain for JL in the sense that he is orchestrating things. i'd like to see a MOS post credits scene that has a boom tube open and steppenwolf and some parademons fly out and JL has superman recruiting the heroes to combat them with darkseid being behind the scenes for JL2 to be the principle adversary. but as that would make sense i assume darkseid will show up for a few cup shots and other dick jokes before being smacked by aquaman and falling into a boomtube that lands him a world where strawberry sortcake and my little pony annoy him untill the sequel. |
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Post by Metallo on Dec 15, 2012 13:36:32 GMT -5
Why not pit The JLA against mirror versions of themselves like Crisis on Two Earths? There are plenty of ways they could go before blowing their wad with Darkseid first. I just have to laugh at WB's feeble attempts to catch up to Marvel without putting in all the work Marvel put in. Darksied is the kind of villian you build up to. After him how many truly great cosmic level DC bad guys are there? Not many. If anything a Superman or JLA trilogy should END with the Big D. Tying this film into Nolans DK trilogy would be a mistake IMO. As much as I loved it it would limit what WB could do when right now there should be no limits. The JLA should be the most iconic versions of these characters that most people are familiar with. Kent, Wayne, Prince, Jordan, Allen, etc. Thats the team as it was when they were created. Christ even MARVEL stayed true to those first few issues of Avengers by making Loki the initial threat. Amanda Waller (while not making her a Fury clone) could have been a way to tie together elements of a larger DCu (maybe as a potential threat like on JLU) but Green Lantern shit the bed. but as that would make sense i assume darkseid will show up for a few cup shots and other dick jokes before being smacked by aquaman and falling into a boomtube that lands him a world where strawberry sortcake and my little pony annoy him untill the sequel. Kinda like what Smallville did. Really what needs to be done is WB needs to separate from DC and create a DC Studios. Where DC is in charge of making decisions and putting it all together the way it should be, not the money hungry studio execs at WB. I personally would bring Bruce Timm and his team in and work with DC to produce some of the best Live Action Superhero movies. They do spectacular with in the DC animated movie department, why not make the switch to live action. They could really put out some good quality stuff. As long as WB is in complete control, the DC movies will never pass the quality of stuff that Marvel is doing right now. We'll probably just keep getting more Catwomans and Green Lanterns. And WB will keep wondering why these movies are bombing when they shouldn't be, not with these characters. Agreed, Keith. DC might not do much better but it would have to be better than WB and their awful track record. It couldn't be any worse. There have to be some people working in or associated with DC comics that could shepherd DC films the way Feige has with Marvel. Marvels films suceeded because everything was on the line and they knew they had to make them work. With WB that incentive isn't there. DC is just a small cog in the large media machine to them. Most of the execs there don't "get" it. Um...that was the [mid-credits] bit with sinestro putting on the yellow ring Which was horribly handled. Sad since Mark Strongs Sinestro was by far the best thing about that whole film. |
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Dec 16, 2012 14:45:51 GMT -5
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Post by Kirok on Jan 2, 2013 12:44:15 GMT -5
New "Justice League" rumors: movies.cosmicbooknews.com/content/excusive-justice-league-movie-character-info-darkseids-elite-lois-lane-alfred-and-moreEXCUSIVE: JUSTICE LEAGUE MOVIE CHARACTER INFO; DARKSEID'S ELITE, LOIS LANE, ALFRED AND MORE
Posted by: Matt McGloin, Editor/Publisher
Our DC Entertainment source sent us over a fresh batch of news on the Justice League movie and characters set to appear.
Previously our source revealed to us the first news on the Man of Steel spearheading a new DC shared movie universe, the Justice League 2015 movie, a new Batman reboot in 2016, a few scenes from the previous DC movies and most recently plans for an Aquaman movie.
Here is the latest:
• Superman is essentially the same character from Man of Steel, and Zack Snyder is consulting regarding the writing of the character.
• Batman: The strategist of the group. Batman doesn't really want to be involved with these super powered beings he considers too powerful. Easily the most complex written.
• Wonder Woman: She has only been in man's world a few short months. The Wonder Woman script Michael Goldenberg is developing will be set before the Justice League movie.
• Green Lantern: Will be Ryan Reynold's character from the Green Lantern movie, but will be freshly written with a more serious tone.
• Flash: The most popular hero in civilian eyes who loves media attention, but when called upon is very serious.
• Martian Manhunter: Alien who has lived on Earth in secret for over a hundred years who has knowledge of Darkseid and his reign.
• Aquaman: Will be the King of Atlantis who has a key role in the film.
• There will also be a heavy military presence in the film which in future rewrites could include characters featured in Man of Steel or even Amanda Waller (Angela Bassett) of which neither are included in the first draft.
• Alfred Pennyworth is in the film in a minor appearance.
• Lois Lane is also in the film in a cameo.
• Darkseid's Elite will be featured who go up against the Justice League early on in the film. What sticks out to me is 1) Martian Manhunter being in the film, and 2) Green Lantern being Ryan Reynolds' character. I'm glad Martian Manhunter is on the team, just surprised. I would've thought he'd be replaced with Cyborg to bring things into line with the New 52. Using him in the way reported here (an older character with knowledge of Darkseid) sounds pretty good, and a nice way to introduce him into the story and make him a valuable member of the team. As for Green Lantern, interesting they say Ryan Reynolds' "character." This could go either way with Reynolds returning or a recast, but what's the point of recasting GL when you could just go with John Stewart? If Reynolds does return, I'll have mixed emotions about it. I'm a sucker for continuity, so tying back into a previous film would add a sense of legitimacy. But in this scenario "Green Lantern," which was disappointing at best, would now be the first film in this new DC Universe, a distinction it DOES NOT deserve. Still, another familiar face outside Cavill's Superman would go a long way. And that familiar face better not be Joseph Gordon Levitt. |
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Post by Keith on Jan 2, 2013 14:03:21 GMT -5
Sounds good so far..
Are we actually going to get a JL movie finally? Are we going to get what we've been wanting all this time with our favorite characters?
I know it's way to early to get to hyped up about this, but I'm eagerly awaiting more information about this movie, and hoping that WB is finally getting it's act together and we are going to get something that is going to be spectacular.
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Jan 2, 2013 14:17:04 GMT -5
i like the sound of all that but...i'll believe it when....
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Post by Rod on Jan 24, 2013 20:58:29 GMT -5
www.slashfilm.com/justice-league-will-be-composed-of-five-core-characters/Latino Review just dropped another juicy piece of information about Warner Bros. Justice League. The film still doesn’t have a director, a green light, or a set release date, but it does have a villain and, now we know who the five stars will be: Batman, Superman, Green Lantern, Wonder Woman and Flash. Read more after the jump. According to Latino Review, the current script – written by Will Beall – focuses on those five characters. Also possibly making a cameo, would be Martian Manhunter, Aquaman and – to a lesser extent – Hawkman. We still have to wait to see how Man of Steel does for Warner Bros. before Justice League become 100% real but, until then, do you think these five characters can function in one movie?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2013 1:13:12 GMT -5
Most definitely. If done right, it would be amazing, for DAMN sure. I'm just not entirely sure they're going about it the right way. I really think they oughta copy the Marvel formula, individual then team, but we'll see how this goes. It COULD work. I feel it won't, to be honest, I just honestly feel like WB will blow it, but we'll see.
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Post by Kirok on Jan 25, 2013 11:29:07 GMT -5
As I'm not the biggest fan of how they're going about things, I'm not going to get invested in any news of JL until it comes through official channels. This latest report seems to contradict some previous ones, so it's hard to know what to believe.
I will still be very surprised if the lineup does not reflect the current roster of the New 52, with Aquman and Cyborg as members 6 and 7.
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Jan 25, 2013 12:15:22 GMT -5
I think five characters is enough for the first movie- since the plot will probably involve the origin of one or two.
I do NOT want cyborg. Uhuh. Martian manhunter! HE could be the anchor to the whole plot!
For JLII i'd like to see hawkman/thanagar. But by then the whole "alien invasion unites superhero team" will be old news.
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Post by theoj on Jan 25, 2013 19:04:10 GMT -5
As a huge Superman fan and as excited as anyone for Man of Steel, I think the idea of a live action Justice League movie is just ridiculous.
Yes it worked for The Avengers.
But Superman deserves only to be in his own films. For one, he's so powerful, he would never really need assistance and two, the character is so iconic, it would be an insult to put him in a team of superheroes.
Yes it might work on tv or in the comics or in animation,but not as a live action movie.
The same goes for Batman. He does not need to be part of a team. That's especially not his character. He's a loner.
Yes, Chris Reeve's last line in STM was "We're all part of the same team", but he was talking about humanity.
Superman will not fit in a Justice League movie. Neither will Batman.
Therefore if it does go ahead, I really think it will be a tremendous flop and worse, will damage any potential great sequels that Man of Steel could have had.
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Jan 25, 2013 20:17:53 GMT -5
duly noted.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jan 26, 2013 0:38:56 GMT -5
I get what you're saying- but, personally, I've been pleasant surprised enough over things that I was going to be a disaster- that I'm willing to give something a chance to be good. Having said that... I'll grant you that starting with the reverse path of introducing all these heroes at once, then backtracking into solo movies could be tough for an audience to buy- especially with all those powers on display and believe in right off the bat.... but I haven't seen enough solid evidence to prove it WILL be a disaster. After all- X-men introduced a lot of characters with fantastic powers, but Singer was able to make it believable enough. So, who knows? And- as far as spoiling sequels--- it definitely could swing either way. You could well be right--- If MOS does spectacular business, and JLA is a disappointment- would WB still go forward with a MOS II after that? I know that the spinoff "Elektra"s disaster doomed any further Daredevil movies at that time, even though Daredevil was a modest success. So...  |
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Post by Valentine Smith on Jan 26, 2013 8:57:10 GMT -5
Did we need introductory movies for Han Solo, Luke Skywalker, Obi-Wan, and Princess Leia before they could all team up in Star Wars? No. Man, it's a good thing we had all of those movies establishing all of the different bad-asses in Predator, telling us how they got their military training and how Arnold recruited them before they all teamed up in that movie. Oh, wait...that didn't happen either.
Flash's origin can be explained in about three minutes of screen time. I don't need half a movie dealing with Barry Allen deciding to put on a red suit.
Audiences now accept the superhero archetype in a way they weren't even ready for five years ago. They don't need every detail of an origin spoon-fed to them.
I LOVE the idea of WB using a "reverse Marvel" approach. Sure, it could absolutely backfire, but that, to me, has more to do with my lack of faith in WB than something inherently flawed about the approach.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2013 13:14:10 GMT -5
That is true.
But people are pretty stupid. They'll think it's Flash Gordon in the movie. Seriously.
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Post by Valentine Smith on Jan 26, 2013 14:18:10 GMT -5
There was a time you would have been right. I'm not so sure anymore.
Don't forget, we were already adults watching JLU and stuff, there were KIDS watching that who are adults now. In just the last few years Flash has been in (several) video games, cartoons, live-action tv (Smallville counts), more action figures than you can count, etc. It's not like it used to be with these characters. They're mainstream in a way they never were when we were young.
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Post by Kirok on Jan 26, 2013 16:12:08 GMT -5
Yeah, even though he was retconned into being Impulse, Bart Allen on "Smallville" was originally intended to be and market as The Flash:
I believe it was the typical embargo on characters with films in development that caused the retcon, which is why there was no Wonder Woman or Green Lantern (not to mention Batman). But yeah, I think the general public is more aware of The Flash than most heroes. He did have his own (albeit short-lived) television series, after all.
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