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Post by ChrisM on Jun 20, 2013 23:48:45 GMT -5
I can no longer buy into the naive notion of the Donner film in which Superman shows up and everybody's just cool with it. People are not built that way. People are suspicious, paranoid, frightened, and short-sighted. People would not accept a costumed super-powered being, no questions asked. I'm not so sure it's that black and white. I'm afraid of little green men or the "greys" with their big black eyes and the fact that they abduct humans for genetic experimentation. That notion scares the crap out of me. But an "alien" who looks like a really attractive HUMAN... who shows up performing acts of goodwill... and says that the rest of his race is extinct... well, my mind would be blown... but I wouldn't be scared and paranoid. I think Donner jumped from awe to cheering in the helicopter rescue a bit too quickly... but I realize he did it because he wanted it to be congruent with audience reaction in 1978. The Metropolis media jumps all over the story that night... and the Daily Planet jumps all over it the next morning... so it's believable and it all makes sense. A few days later - the only news we see is covering the XK101 launch. That transition IS abrupt, but they also needed to advance the plot and emphasize the significance of the rocket launch. |
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Post by Jack Tripper on Jun 21, 2013 0:12:42 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure that's the really tall Kryptonian dude who fights Superman with Faora. |
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Post by Jack Tripper on Jun 21, 2013 0:49:17 GMT -5
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Post by atp on Jun 21, 2013 1:35:01 GMT -5
It's a shame there wasn't an old man in Metropolis raising a walking stick over his head. That would have stopped all the buildings from collapsing.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2013 2:00:32 GMT -5
I can no longer buy into the naive notion of the Donner film in which Superman shows up and everybody's just cool with it. People are not built that way. People are suspicious, paranoid, frightened, and short-sighted. People would not accept a costumed super-powered being, no questions asked. I'm not so sure it's that black and white. I'm afraid of little green men or the "greys" with their big black eyes and the fact that they abduct humans for genetic experimentation. That notion scares the crap out of me. But an "alien" who looks like a really attractive HUMAN... who shows up performing acts of goodwill... and says that the rest of his race is extinct... well, my mind would be blown... but I wouldn't be scared and paranoid. I think Donner jumped from awe to cheering in the helicopter rescue a bit too quickly... but I realize he did it because he wanted it to be congruent with audience reaction in 1978. The Metropolis media jumps all over the story that night... and the Daily Planet jumps all over it the next morning... so it's believable and it all makes sense. A few days later - the only news we see is covering the XK101 launch. That transition IS abrupt, but they also needed to advance the plot and emphasize the significance of the rocket launch. Sure, just because he looks human ... He might be a big fucking lizard person in a human skin suit, like V!  |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jun 21, 2013 2:02:02 GMT -5
The odd thing is how smooth the pacing is, for a film that has quite a number of time frames to leap over- from Krypton- to Clark as a baby/ Clark as a teen/ Clark leaving home/7 years at the FOS/ Starting at the DP/ First rescue/ Interview with Lois/ Lex's confrontation with Supes... and is the same length (about) as MOS....
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2013 2:05:16 GMT -5
The odd thing is how smooth the pacing is, for a film that has quite a number of time frames to leap over- from Krypton- to Clark as a baby/ Clark as a teen/ Clark leaving home/7 years at the FOS/ Starting at the DP/ First rescue/ Interview with Lois/ Lex's confrontation with Supes... and is the same length (about) as MOS.... Perhaps it's because shots are allowed to play out a bit to ease the transition. The shot of Clark and his mom in the field was a great transition to the arctic adventure. I mean that music swells as the camera sweeps over and it's so simple but sooo good. There were transitional scenes and setups, not just abrupt cuts. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2013 4:34:35 GMT -5
The most important thing is I figured out where I had seen Jenny Olsen (or whatever the fuck her name is) before.  Hahaha! Priceless. Station! I swear that movie is a case of the sequel being better than the original. Watched them both a few months ago and loved them but Bogus Journey is even better. Jenny just seemed to serve no purpose other than to get trapped later so we could feel tension. But I didn't give much of a damn about her because she was a glorified extra. Instead of the back and forth on Jimmy getting his jimmy cut off they should have just made her Cat Grant. It would have at least been a nice shout out to he comics. The Jenny being trapped moment wasn't tense at all. It was obvious she wouldn't die. If anything those scenes did more to flesh out who PERRY was as a man than anything else. To be fair maybe that was the point? I don't know. I love Bogus Journey, great film! Yeah that was annoying, it kept cutting back to Jenny in the rubble in tears, but most of us were thinking 'who the fuck is this girl?' seeing as she was never really introduced. |
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Post by Metallo on Jun 21, 2013 8:18:16 GMT -5
Sure, just because he looks human ... He might be a big fucking lizard person in a human skin suit, like V! Ah...the Peter Venkman theory. |
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Post by Metallo on Jun 21, 2013 8:24:24 GMT -5
Hahaha! Priceless. Station! I swear that movie is a case of the sequel being better than the original. Watched them both a few months ago and loved them but Bogus Journey is even better. Jenny just seemed to serve no purpose other than to get trapped later so we could feel tension. But I didn't give much of a damn about her because she was a glorified extra. Instead of the back and forth on Jimmy getting his jimmy cut off they should have just made her Cat Grant. It would have at least been a nice shout out to he comics. The Jenny being trapped moment wasn't tense at all. It was obvious she wouldn't die. If anything those scenes did more to flesh out who PERRY was as a man than anything else. To be fair maybe that was the point? I don't know. I love Bogus Journey, great film! Yeah that was annoying, it kept cutting back to Jenny in the rubble in tears, but most of us were thinking 'who the fuck is this girl?' seeing as she was never really introduced. Like I said I thought it worked as a Perry White scene more than anything. They should have given Michael Kelly more to do as Steve Lombard. The dude was arguably the best thing in Snyders Dawn of the Dead. Always entertaining. Maybe he had scenes cut. As for Bogus Journey..."they melvined me!" William Sadler is the man as Death. Great actor. Always elevates anything he's in. Watched his Tales From The Crypt episode and it was so much fun to see it again. Also watched Reeve's. But I was happy to see Sadler pop up in Iron Man 3. |
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Post by ChrisM on Jun 21, 2013 9:09:05 GMT -5
The odd thing is how smooth the pacing is, for a film that has quite a number of time frames to leap over- from Krypton- to Clark as a baby/ Clark as a teen/ Clark leaving home/7 years at the FOS/ Starting at the DP/ First rescue/ Interview with Lois/ Lex's confrontation with Supes... and is the same length (about) as MOS.... Well, there is a couple stretches in that movie that are too slow for the ADHD generation - my wife included: 1- when he wakes up and senses the crystal calling to him in the barn... it takes what seems like 10 minutes for him to get up, turn off the radio, walk over to the window, then finally open the shed. 2- when he journeys north... everything takes forever to develop... until we finally hear Jor-El speak. The trance-like music is eerie but can also put you to sleep if you're not totally into it. It's a 70s thing where things were allowed to take their time. |
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Jun 21, 2013 9:16:18 GMT -5
Like the waitress in avengers.
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Post by Valentine Smith on Jun 21, 2013 9:21:01 GMT -5
By the way...anybody get a Bud Collyer vibe off of Cavill's Superman voice in a few scenes? Whenever he was laying down the law with the military, especially when he's talking to them through the mirror in the interrogation room, I thought he TOTALLY sounded like Collyer. It was that playful/almost arrogant/I'm-just-kind-of-humoring-you tone.
I seriously doubt Cavill studied Collyer, but there's a definite similarity there, even if it's just coincidental.
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Post by Metallo on Jun 21, 2013 9:29:43 GMT -5
I think he may just naturally have the deepest voice of any live action Superman actor. I noticed how deep his voice was in interviews. Rouths voice is pretty deep too but Cavill edges him out. It's one thing they both had over Cain and Welling. When Superman talks it should command attention.
I think decades of Collyer, Danny Dark, and Tim Daly have driven that home. Beau Weaver had this Reeve esque quality to his voice. Can't put my finger on what it is.
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Post by Knight on Jun 21, 2013 10:34:27 GMT -5
Damn! I keep thinking about going to see this movie again, scenes keep playing over and over my mind throughout my week. Pa Kent's death (which I am really fond of), the way he just holds up his hand, no! Stay there! Clark couldn't do anything to stop it either! I love that Pa Kent ran INTO the storm to help others... I've said it before and I 'll damn well say it again, he IS Superman but without the powers.
Other things, young Clark in School looking scared shitless as he see's literally through everyone, the scratch of the chalk on the board, wrapping of fingers, everything, superb! The bus rescue, going back to save Pete Ross too, that was good. Superman standing up and breaking the chains during his 'surrender', cool!
I may need to see this again...
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Post by atp on Jun 21, 2013 11:28:48 GMT -5
How come the world "wasn't ready" to know about Clark in 1997, but in 2013 it was.
What changed about the world in those 16 years to somehow make it more "ready"?
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Jun 21, 2013 11:31:12 GMT -5
How come the world "wasn't ready" to know about Clark in 1997, but in 2013 it was. What changed about the world in those 16 years to somehow make it more "ready"? the arrival of ZOD happened. ready or not. |
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Post by atp on Jun 21, 2013 11:33:01 GMT -5
OK, put another way... what was Pa Kent wanting Clark to wait for?
When would the world have been "ready" enough so that he didn't have to let his ass get sucked away by a tornado?
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Jun 21, 2013 11:34:46 GMT -5
OK, put another way... what was Pa Kent wanting Clark to wait for? When would the world have been "ready" enough so that he didn't have to let his ass get sucked away by a tornado? parents can be overprotective. if jon kent had any faults, it might have been over-hawkishness. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2013 11:35:07 GMT -5
Zod and co. he only gave himself up when they made threats
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Post by Metallo on Jun 21, 2013 12:35:37 GMT -5
How come the world "wasn't ready" to know about Clark in 1997, but in 2013 it was. What changed about the world in those 16 years to somehow make it more "ready"? Plus Clark himself had matured a lot in the fifteen years since his father died. He was only a teenager then. If he was unsure of some things at 33 he sure wouldn't know how to handle the worlds reaction at age eighteen or however old he was. If he had made poor decisions it only could have made people fear him more. |
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Jun 21, 2013 13:04:17 GMT -5
I think , had jon lived, he'd never be at ease with clark going punlic- but if zod arrived and jon kent was there I think he'd turn to clark and give him a look, a nod that tells clark that its time to bring it.
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Post by ye5man on Jun 21, 2013 14:03:36 GMT -5
I still do not like the idea of JK telling Clark "maybe" he should have let those kids drown in the bus.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2013 14:04:38 GMT -5
I think , had jon lived, he'd never be at ease with clark going punlic- but if zod arrived and jon kent was there I think he'd turn to clark and give him a look, a nod that tells clark that its time to bring it. Got a great scene in my head where Pa Kent is still alive. Zod threatens the world, Costner and Cavill watch it on TV, just then Costner turns to Cavill and says "Alright son, let's dance" I could take over from Michael Bay. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2013 14:05:20 GMT -5
I still do not like the idea of JK telling Clark "maybe" he should have let those kids drown in the bus. one of the kids on the bus was fat and ginger. I'd have considered letting them die too |
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