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Post by Metallo on Aug 9, 2010 11:47:26 GMT -5
I agree with this. It's sort of saying: "If it ain't broken, DON'T fix it.... unless you're making something completely and totally different." And that's the thing..... if Nolan is making something completely different, off the charts- then.... will it alienate the people who paid $391 million dollars plus worldwide to see Superman Returns/Routh in it? That money had to come from repeat business somehow, somewhere. I wonder (1) what is the stated budget allowed by WB for Nolan's Superman - (2) what is the amount that it has to make for it to be considered NOT a disappointment? If it ends up (by the accountants) as costing the same as SR, and makes $391 million- what then? Is it a failure or a disappointment? And if so, would they figure that Routh's presence/absence added to it? Again, can't help but wonder how things are being spun or figured out in that private WB boardroom over this whole situation..... Yeah I have lots of the same questions, CAM. I 'm sure WB wants a LOWER budget than SR but if Nolan asks for a bigger budget will WB say no or does he have enough clout wit them now that they'll give him what he wants to appease him? We certainly are closer to the point where we can say Nolan's involvement can up the chances of the film being good AND people going to see it but the more WB spends the bigger chance the movie won't be considered a financial success. A lot of people think the Incredible Hulk reboot was better or at least more even than Ang Lee's Hulk but TIH made the same amount as Hulk. It shows that this isn't guaranteed to work even if it is a better film. If Nolan's Superman makes the same thing as SR then what? No risk no reward but I'm sure WB is considering the risks. thats why they are waiting so long trying to make up their minds on a lot of things.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 9, 2010 14:46:29 GMT -5
I see we're of the same mind on this- Great example of the Hulk, too (I'm in the camp that think the Incredible Hulk film was MUCH better than the misguided Ang Lee Hulk- though, they still should have put in Rick Jones imo). But.... these ideas that you've raised is exactly WHY they should have stuck with Singer/Routh and moved forward on MOS, imo! No matter what, SR haters can't dispute the money that was made..... but the budget that SR cost can be disputed- There's all the reason in the world for the WB execs to stick in the costs of the failed attempts and lump it to Singer's costs, if they have a chance to scapegoat SR not making a billion dollars. (which I'd be greatly suprised if Nolan's Superman makes that much out of the starting gate, regardless of quality). No matter what, having the same R&D team work on a cheaper better sequel makes sense, so long as there's noone milking the money/ stowing it away. If Donner & his team had done SII, I'm sure that the costs would have been cheaper WITHOUT sacrificing quality (Lester)--- because of the lessons learned on the first film. Similiarly, Singer was able to make a better X2 that didn't (relatively) cost a heck of a lot more than X1--- and I'm sure Singer and his team would have make a better SR 2/ MOS with more focus on action and fireworks for a cheaper price than SR.... and he was inclined to- he's constantly been saying that SR was about trying to set the foundation and make you care about the characters in interviews...... MOS was going to have more emphasis on the action, with the setups in SR. With Nolan, if he gets a new team from scratch--- how much will be R&D all over again? And--- as you said, if Nolan estimates that it'll cost $270 million for a new Superman movie- in this economic climate--- will WB say 'no problem', just direct Batman 4? Or.....more likely--- how can budget NOT be a factor? And--- as mentioned--- what if $391 million is going to be considered a disappointment? Reboot time again? ? We know that WB wants to make Nolan happy......but they also wanted to make Singer happy..... for a limited amount of time, until someone at WB finally decided $391 million boxoffice worldwide was a bomb. Just as SONY wanted to make Raimi happy...... for a time, (even though Raimi's Spiderman movies grossed a billion for Sony) until Spiderman 3 and 4. No wonder directors don't put all their eggs in one basket. Can anyone blame directors for being fickle, when they're aware of how fickle Studios are, as well?
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Post by stargazer01 on Aug 9, 2010 19:23:50 GMT -5
Yeah, and it happened to Donner and Singer (though Singer has some blame too). Sigh. Superman is f***ed (sorry for the swearing).
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Post by Kirok on Aug 9, 2010 21:46:40 GMT -5
With Nolan, if he gets a new team from scratch--- how much will be R&D all over again? And--- as you said, if Nolan estimates that it'll cost $270 million for a new Superman movie- in this economic climate--- will WB say 'no problem', just direct Batman 4? Now that would be a compromise I'd be more than happy with. Regardless of how Superman turns out, getting a Batman 4 out of Nolan would be a coup. He's made it very clear he takes things one film at a time and that Batman 3 will be the end of his time with the character, but I for one would love nothing more than Liam Neeson's Ra's al Ghul to return (with his daughter Talia in tow) and give Christian Bale's Batman his greatest challenge yet. If Nolan and Co. leave then any "return" of the Demon's Head would feel empty, an idea we've been discussing in a few different threads recently actually.
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Post by Metallo on Aug 9, 2010 23:08:08 GMT -5
I love Nolans movies but if he's done after batman 3 I'm fine with that. I'm starting to want a more traditional Batman. There's some great Batman characters and ideas Nolan will never touch because of his take on Batman and while I understand and agree with it it's said to see some good ideas going unused.
I do fear what direction WB will go in post Nolan regardless of if its a full reboot or a loose sequel after batman 3.
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Post by Kirok on Aug 9, 2010 23:28:28 GMT -5
There's some great Batman characters and ideas Nolan will never touch because of his take on Batman and while I understand and agree with it it's said to see some good ideas going unused. And therein lies the irony of what I want to see happen (a Nolan Batman 4 with Ra's al Ghul). It's highly unlikely Nolan would resurrect Ra's, which would leave that story to his successors. But a re-casted Ra's returning to face a re-casted Batman won't be near as compelling as if it were Neeson returning to face Bale. The same stuff we've been discussing about of Keaton being Batman in a DKR film, Routh "returning" as Superman not having resonance, and Marvel doing an epic fail by replacing Norton with Ruffalo in The Avengers.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 10, 2010 0:05:57 GMT -5
Batman 3 has me worried for this reason only: That Nolan will truly 'end' his version of the series- Bale included, perhaps by using the end of "The Dark Knight Returns" story (the first one, not the horrible sequel book)- never using Robin.
Batman has such a rich history, that since Nolan/Bale did so much right, it'd be a major loss if WB either chose to reboot it (NOO!!!!) with another actor, rather than get another director (if Nolan doesn't want to do #4) of the same caliber and continue a strong line of Bale Batman films, staying closer to realism as Nolan's Batman did, versus the other, more fantasy-related (and kiddie-ish) Bat films.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 10, 2010 0:09:39 GMT -5
It's not impossible that Nolan would resurrect Ra's--- but there are so many GREAT villains that it'd be a shame not to see Nolan try to interpret those (Catwoman is such a key part of Batman lore, would like to see that twisted dysfunctional relationship dealt with- one of the things that I thought Burton got right in spirit/ Robin is also key, in that Batman chooses a successor in case he passes on).
Two giant film mysteries: Nolan's Batman & Nolan's Superman. A little odd in scheduling, given that Nolan's quoted as saying he's a 'one film at a time' type of guy. Hopefully there won't be a bad rush.
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Post by Metallo on Aug 10, 2010 11:05:58 GMT -5
I'm dying to see Nolans takes on Catwoman and Riddler if he ever ends up using them. Those two characters have had pretty good track records in adaptations before but the last two people to play them in live action movies really left a bad taste in my mouth. Carrey played his usual shtick and Berry..I don't know what the fuck that was supposed to be.
Nolan could believable bring Ra's back but they'll never come right out and do the character as a villain hundreds of years old.
As much as I'd like a Bond style loose continuity a REBOOT to Batman (or anything else) does have its advantages. You can fix problems you never could in a loose sequel. The take on Nortons Hulk is a kind of middle ground between those two concepts that could work.
Like I said earlier if they make Nolan the "godfather" of DC films kiss any chance o seeing the DCU brought to life on screen goodbye. Lots of stuff we simply won't see happen under him.
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Post by stargazer01 on Aug 10, 2010 11:43:23 GMT -5
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Post by stargazer01 on Aug 10, 2010 14:46:19 GMT -5
DC Comics has been less consistent with their comics-into-movies, which is why Warner Bros. has appointed two new execs to run the division, vet Harry Potter supervisor Diane Nelson and comics writer Geoff Johns. They are charged with doing better with the upcoming Green Lantern and Chris Nolan’s reinvention of Superman than the studio did with Jonah Hex, among other things. (Every time I saw Brandon Routh at Comic-Con, I was reminded of how much I liked him as the Caped Crusader. I’m not the only one.) blogs.indiewire.com/thompsononhollywood/2010/08/10/comic-con_media_round_up/As proof, she provides this link at the end of the paragraph: popwatch.ew.com/2010/08/03/brandon-routh-as-superman-again-why-not/Going by the comments, it's clear that most people loved him the role and want him back in the cape. And some even ask for a SR's sequel. I think the Scott Pilgrim press tour has also clearly shown that to the general public Brandon IS this generation's Superman (By now, more people have had the chance to see the movie not only in theaters, but also on TV and DVD). And Brandon looks more like Superman than ever now. So, I wonder, What is WB going to do about that?
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Post by Legsy on Aug 10, 2010 16:04:54 GMT -5
When did Routh play Bats? Did I miss something? Did I just travel to an alternative universe?
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Post by supes78 on Aug 10, 2010 22:13:18 GMT -5
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Post by Legsy on Aug 10, 2010 22:31:13 GMT -5
He's been working out.
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Post by stargazer01 on Aug 11, 2010 11:45:38 GMT -5
Hahaha, so funny! Please check out this funny pic of Brandon and Edgar, Scott Pilgrim Vs. The Expendables? www.edgarwrighthere.com/2010/08/11/august-10-2010-houston-scott-pilgrim-vs-the-expendables/Edit: Here is the pic, Also, nice vid with images of the movie and the videogame. Music also from the videogame. I love this music, so contagious! When did Routh play Bats? Did I miss something? Did I just travel to an alternative universe? She's obviously not a comicbook expert. ;D
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Post by Legsy on Aug 11, 2010 13:36:32 GMT -5
Oh, good! I thought there was some type of paradox going on!
That Routh, I swear, he's one funny mofo!
I'm going to check out Scott Pilgrim on Friday! Perhaps the first showing. I just may do that.
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Post by Metallo on Aug 12, 2010 10:44:14 GMT -5
Brandon Routh and Quint chat Vegan Super-Powers, Vintage Gaming and Nolan Superman!
Ahoy, squirts! Quint here with a fun and kinda geeky chat with Mr. Brandon Routh for Scott Pilgrim Vs. The World. As with my interview with the lovely Mary Elizabeth Winstead, this one took place on the Universal backlot right after Comic-Con.
I’ve been on the backlot a couple of times now and it gets my geek up every time. Seeing the tram roll by and the tourists crane their necks to see if I’m Jonah Hill or some other fat celebrity gives me an absurd amount of pleasure.
Anyway, in this interview Routh and I chat about Vegan super powers, Edgar Wright’s reserved persona, vintage video games and even some Christopher Nolan Superman stuff.
Beware some spoilers regarding his character’s fate and behavior!
Hope you enjoy!
Quint: So, how are you doing?
Brandon Routh: I’m doing all right, and you?
Quint: I’m doing fine. So I dug the flick. I was a big fan of the books and I’m a big fan of Edgar [Wright]’s stuff…
Brandon Routh: (indistinct)… not be a fan of Edgar.
Quint: What?
Brandon Routh: It’s hard not to be a fan of Edgar.
Quint: Oh, I didn’t catch the first part, so it was like “I’m not a fan of Edgar.”
Brandon Routh: “He’s made films before this?”
Quint: “Filmmaker, yeah. Person, not so much.” (laughs) But yeah I really dug it. When I heard you were cast, specifically for the character you were playing, I was just… That’s one of my favorite of the Evil Exes, just because that goes the craziest. It’s like as much as the fight with Lucas Lee is kind of like over the top, you’ve got super powers.
Brandon Routh: (Laughs) That’s right.
Quint: Plus having seen what you did in ZACK AND MIRI MAKE A PORNO... I think you are funny as shit.
Brandon Routh: Thanks very much!
Quint: So, I was like “Okay, I think this guy will pull it off,” and then I saw the movie and it was one of my favorite scenes.
Brandon Routh: Wow, great.
Quint: Were you approached or did you approach them?
Brandon Routh: I was approached. I was told by my reps that Edgar wanted to meet with me and I was kind of shocked and excited because when we were filming SUPERMAN RETURNS, I spent a lot of time watching movies on the weekends when I had time, so we kept seeing the SHAUN OF THE DEAD trailer, but it was coming out three or four months earlier in the states and we had to wait for it.
I was so bummed to have to wait, but finally when we saw it, it was amazing. I probably saw it twice in the theater I think. Down in Sydney, it was a great way to release tension from the heaviness of shooting. Then HOT FUZZ… So I was a huge fan of Edgar and we just had a lunch meeting to talk about… basically just to chit chat and get to know each other.
Quint: He’s a hard person to talk to.
Brandon Routh: Really, right?
Quint: Very reserved…
Brandon Routh: (laughs) You always have to drive the conversation because he has nothing to say and he’s never in a good mood and never has energy.
Quint: The “Anti-Edgar.”
Brandon Routh: The “Nega-Edgar” would be that way. But that apparently went really well and then he told me a little bit about the story and a little bit about the book and after that I went out and got the books. I’m not sure if the fifth was out yet at that time and read them all the way through and really enjoyed them and had never read any comic that funny. With the videogame stuff in there, which I spent a long time playing video games growing up and now… I loved all of that nostalgia and it was something I hadn’t seen.
It was kind of like getting the Sunday comics and The Family Circus… When the boy, and I forget his name, but when he would do the little run around town and he would follow the little things… I always loved that, because it’s just the little detail things and that was kind of like… I had that childhood experience a little bit when I was reading the comics with the little video games asides that are in there. So I read that, then had another meeting with Edgar, which was kind of like a reading and we just… He directed me a little bit, tweaked things and…
Quint: Testing you out?
Brandon Routh: Yeah, exactly and you know I came in with the voice, Todd’s voice, which was a little bit deeper than my voice and he liked that, which was great because I didn’t know what I was going to do without that. That was the thing that I really thought made it work and all of that worked out and here we are.
Quint: I grew up on NES. I remember after school… I didn’t have an Nintendo at first, but a friend’s mom looked after a bunch of kids, like a cheap after school daycare type thing, and she had an NES, so it would always be the fight over who gets to play Mario.
Brandon Routh: Oh man, I only had to fight my sister. So yeah I played a lot of Mario Brothers, Marble Madness was a big game, Duck Hunt, of course, with the gun against the screen, you know…
Quint: Cheater…
Brandon Routh: Excite Bike, making our own tracks with the same thing over and over again. It was a lot of fun. Rad Racer… RC Pro-Am
Quint: I went up to LA after Comic-Con and at my hotel they have a little collectibles center where they were selling original arcade marquees, so I bought the marquees for Galaga and Ms. Pac-Man…
Brandon Routh: Aw, yes! That’s awesome. I love Galaga! That’s my favorite. I call it “Galaga” and actually pronounce it “Gal-ag-a,” but that’s my favorite arcade game.
Quint: I miss arcades. We kind of have them now, but they are like two bucks to play a game. It’s not the same as plopping in a quarter.
Brandon Routh: It was weird when that happened. I remember going to this mall back in Iowa, back in Des Moines, and we were going to play laser tag or something and I think it was the first Soul Calibur and it was like 50 cents to play a game. Never before had I had to put more than one quarter into a machine and I was like “What the heck is this?” and I was addicted to that game and spend a few dollars playing that game.
We actually had nickel arcades, “Smoken Joe’s Nickel Arcade.” They might still have them in Des Moines; there were two of them. They were older games, mostly older games, but they were a nickel or they were equivalent of a nickel, like some might be 5 credits, so it was 25 cents, but it was a lot of fun. You would go in and spend a couple of hours there and only spend like five or ten bucks.
Quint: I had a birthday party at an Aladdin’s Castle where it was like after hours and they turned every machine to free play. There was no better birthday party before or since. Being 10 years old and having the run of an arcade for you and all of your friends...
Brandon Routh: That is fun. I remember playing Gauntlet at the skating rink. I spent more time playing that than I did skating.
Quint: I’m sure this videogame tangent is fascinating to everybody who is going to read this, but if they are cool, they’ll like it, right?
Brandon Routh: That’s right!
Quint: But let’s go back to the superpowers stuff. Here’s what’s great about the character of Todd for me. You not only have all of these crazy vegan powers, but then the turn that it takes with not only the reveal of the powers and how Scott figure out how to defeat you… It’s just layer upon layer upon layer of crazy shit happening. No other Evil Ex has anything really like that. What did you think when you read that for the first time?
Brandon Routh: Todd is an interesting character because although we don’t see it fully in the movie, he’s intriguing because he’s dated two of Scott’s exes. He’s currently dating one of Scott’s exes and the one that broke his heart, so there’s even more animosity for Scott I think against Todd and maybe even Todd thinks he’s got the upper hand because he’s dated both of his exes, but I was really excited to have as much to do in the film and to have the beat where I’m on top of the world and then have that come crashing down and to play the weakling again and to be de-veganized if you will was a lot of fun and had a nice little arc there.
Quint: Are you at all worried about people turning on you a little bit, because you hit a girl?
Brandon Routh: (laughs) It’s a good moment.
Quint: The screening at Comic Con, the Thursday night screening, when it happens, there’s literally like a [Makes a gasp]. Not only do you hit a girl, you hit like the most adorable, sweet girl…
Brandon Routh: I know, right?
Quint: Did you enjoy it; I guess is what I’m saying.
Brandon Routh: Oh, yes.
Quint: Answer truthfully!
Brandon Routh: Knives really deserved it. Ellen Wong really…
Quint: (Laughing) She was really getting on your nerves that day.
Brandon Routh: I knew it would be a shocking moment, so I was pretty excited about it, actually, and we tried to make it as vicious as possible. Edgar really wanted me to swing full force and as always with that you want to make sure you are not going to swing and hit anybody because that would be terrible with the force that I was throwing, that right hook… (laughs) But it’s a great statement about who my character is and gives the audience good reason to hate me.
Quint: And what I love about all of these characters is that they are in that kind of weird grey area. Todd almost doesn’t really understand… He’s kind of like “This is what you expected me to do, right? That’s kind of what I’m here for, right?”
Brandon Routh: Right.
Quint: He’s not doing it out of like “Screw women, I’m going to beat them.”
Brandon Routh: Exactly. He’s in Envy’s trance, really. He looks to her and she nods and it’s her basically giving him the go ahead to silence (Knives). It’s not really to hurt her necessarily even, he’s more like a child doing the bidding of the beautiful woman, which is what we all do, isn’t it?
Quint: (laughs) You’ve obviously got a ton of press left for this, but then what are you moving on to? Have you got anything coming up?
Brandon Routh: The world is open and I’m ready for whatever comes my way. I trust that more comedy will come…
Quint: I hope so, man. I’m not blowing smoke when I say I think you are hilarious. I mean, I thought you were great in SUPERMAN…
Brandon Routh: Thanks.
Quint: … which is absolutely not a comedic role…
Brandon Routh: Clark is, though.
Quint: A little bit… Yeah, you’ve got the bumbling thing. I can see that, but again ZACK & MIRI, that’s nothing like Clark Kent in there.
Brandon Routh: Right, no not at all.
Quint: But yeah, I just think that you’ve got great timing. I like you in comedy, so keep doing more.
Brandon Routh: I appreciate the cheering squad and cheer loud and clear for that. I’m very grateful to Edgar for thinking of me for it and giving me the opportunity to… It’s really was what I was wanting and intending to do, find a character like this and this couldn’t be a better role for me in a better movie and a bigger showcase I think, so I’m excited about that. DYLAN DOG will be coming out some time…
Quint: That’s more of a Noir thing, right?
Brandon Routh: Yeah, a detective story, comedy, action, horror, movie… Great buddy pic as well I think with Sam Huntington and myself. Sam is amazingly funny in the movie. He just booked a show, BEING HUMAN, which is a remake of a British show, a BBC show. He’s playing a werewolf and so the undead is kind of chasing him around a little bit, but I look forward to that coming out as well.
Quint: Are you going to go stalk Christopher Nolan now? Are you going to keep up the campaign? Brandon Routh: (laughs) I have been! No… (laughs)
Quint: I’d hope so because you’ve got quite a substantial fan base that loves you in that role.
Brandon Routh: Well, you know, he knows that I’m here and I would love to have the opportunity to at least sit down with him and talk to him about the character because it’s a character that’s near and dear to my heart and even if I’m not the guy to continue on, I care that whoever does takes care of it and cherishes it. There was a great line before me; a great history behind it and it deserves to be taken care of.
Quint: Cool, well thank you. That’s about all I’ve got.
Brandon Routh: Sweet. (pushes ketchup packets on the table towards me as I stand up) These are for you…
Quint Oh sweet, I’ve always hoped for these!
Brandon Routh: A parting gift.
Quint: Excellent!
Gotta say I dig Routh’s sense of humor. That shit with the ketchup packets is pretty much my regular every day humor with my friends.
I also really dug his enthusiasm for vintage games and nostalgia for arcades. He’s a stand-up chap and really funny in the flick. Looking forward to seeing where he goes over the next few years.
One more Scott Pilgrim interview to go before I’m out of ‘em. Mr. Jason Schwartzman is up next! Stay tuned!
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Post by Valentine Smith on Aug 12, 2010 11:55:09 GMT -5
Damn it. I really want him back in the cape!
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 12, 2010 12:02:18 GMT -5
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Hmn.... Well, if Nolan (or Nolan's rep) isn't even giving this guy a phone call--- It's a little annoying.
Don't want to jump to conclusions, but.... if Nolan doesn't even meet with the guy (or try to)... Well.... it's early to say, but it annoys the heck out of me.
What we need to do is collectively get a group, enter Nolan's subconscious, and let him know that he NEEDS to cast Brandon as Superman. That's all there is to it.
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Post by Metallo on Aug 12, 2010 12:13:25 GMT -5
What we need to do is collectively get a group, enter Nolan's subconscious, and let him know that he NEEDS to cast Brandon as Superman. That's all there is to it. ;D
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Post by stargazer01 on Aug 12, 2010 15:55:44 GMT -5
Another interview, Brandon Routh talks comics, Superman and SCOTT PILGRIM"One hates to attach a given role to an actor, especially when that actor is a heck of a nice guy working to expand his career beyond the one which made him famous. But when Brandon Routh walks in the room, the fundaments of your brain still scream “holy shit, it’s Superman!” He looks the part right down to his socks, and his easy smile and gentle demeanor effortlessly evoke the Man of Steel. Routh is quite aware of the resemblance, and while you can feel the tension increase slightly when the subject comes up, he looks at his experience in the cape and tights with a lot of pride."Read the rest here, www.mania.com/brandon-routh-talks-comics-superman-scott-pilgrim_article_124611.htmlAlso, Video interview with him and co-star Mary Elizabeth Windstead during a Texas press tour this week. Check the video, vimeo.com/14059526 Check the link below to view a pic of the two of them. They look wonderful together. IMO, Mary makes a great Lois for his Superman. She's got such classy look and I like her voice too. sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs306.snc4/40621_10150222073080262_10150131491105262_13964067_3930601_n.jpg
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Post by HOSNI on Aug 12, 2010 17:53:49 GMT -5
They could easily rebuild the franchise around this guy and achieve everything the studio is setting out to deliver.
It just feels like the right thing to do.
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Post by Valentine Smith on Aug 13, 2010 13:14:56 GMT -5
Unsubstantiated rumor alert! Apparently, Nolan WILL allow Brandon to test for his new Superman flick! If this is true, it's great news, and realistically, all we can ask for.
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Post by stargazer01 on Aug 13, 2010 13:22:28 GMT -5
It's soo clearly fake. Sorry.
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Post by Legsy on Aug 13, 2010 13:34:55 GMT -5
Unsubstantiated rumor alert! Apparently, Nolan WILL allow Brandon to test for his new Superman flick! If this is true, it's great news, and realistically, all we can ask for. I hope it's true.
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