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Post by ye5man on Jan 31, 2011 16:28:35 GMT -5
No doubt he'd have improved with another film or two. I'm not putting any blame on Routh incidentally; I do believe WB is (or was at the time anyway)so intimated by the character that they gave Routh as little to do acting wise (or channel Reeve) so as to play it safe.
I prefer Reeve over Routh by default as at least it was his own interpretation.
This is why we need a "Roger Moore" to take over the role. Someone who immediately can make us think of him in the role and not "the other fella". Routh was so much like Reeve that its impossible not to be distracted.
This is also why I love George Reeves so much: 100% original who made it work.
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Post by stargazer01 on Jan 31, 2011 17:00:47 GMT -5
Made it work for his era, because I find him very one-dimesional. A Superman for kids. I do like him ok, but he just isn't my favorite vision for Superman at all.
Also, there was no difference between his Clark and his Superman. Like Dean Cain, it was basically just Superman with glasses.
And on BR not having many lines in the film (I don't think Clark was in the mood for that in much of the movie), yes, he didn't, but to me Brandon's Superman still managed to have more depth to him than even Chris' version. I could feel that there was a lot more going on in his mind than in Chris'. His Superman was very real and heartfelt, imo.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2011 17:06:59 GMT -5
Made it work for his era, because I find him very one-dimesional. A Superman for kids. I do like him ok, but he just isn't my favorite vision for Superman at all. Also, there was no difference between his Clark and his Superman. Like Dean Cain, it was basically just Superman with glasses. And on BR not having many lines in the film (I don't think Clark was in the mood for that in much of the movie), yes, he didn't, but t o me Brandon's Superman still managed to have more depth to him than even Chris' version. I could feel that there was a lot more going on in his mind than in Chris'. His Superman was very real and heartfelt, imo. you must be joking? |
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Post by ye5man on Jan 31, 2011 17:43:38 GMT -5
I take it we're not going to have glowing endorsements of future TV shows and movies this new fella will star in from Gazer then?  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2011 18:50:24 GMT -5
It's Routh or nothing, t'would seem.
Much like Nerf.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2011 18:58:49 GMT -5
It's Routh or nothing, t'would seem. Much like Nerf. nerf? makes you wonder, a superman fan? or a brandon routh fan? Russ remember Hurst, he'll have pulled his last hair out at the anouncement that yet another actor will take Reeve's role ;D |
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Post by stargazer01 on Jan 31, 2011 19:08:52 GMT -5
Made it work for his era, because I find him very one-dimesional. A Superman for kids. I do like him ok, but he just isn't my favorite vision for Superman at all. Also, there was no difference between his Clark and his Superman. Like Dean Cain, it was basically just Superman with glasses. And on BR not having many lines in the film (I don't think Clark was in the mood for that in much of the movie), yes, he didn't, but t o me Brandon's Superman still managed to have more depth to him than even Chris' version. I could feel that there was a lot more going on in his mind than in Chris'. His Superman was very real and heartfelt, imo. you must be joking? Why? Because I have a different opinion? SR depicted a more complex Superman. Fact. That said, I still adore CR's Superman, he was a great Superman. I never said I didn't like him. Why would I do that? If I was a fan of him, I would but I"m not. Perhapz you can do it if you like him so much. I've done it for BR because I had the impression that some people here liked him, otherwise I wouldn't. But if it bothers most people so much, I won't do it anymore. So yeah let me know. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2011 19:10:46 GMT -5
It isn't that it bothers us, Gazer. It's just that maybe it's odd to us that you take everything about Routh so personally and seem to refuse to acknowledge any other incarnation being as good. It borders on creepy. At least that's how I feel about it.
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Post by stargazer01 on Jan 31, 2011 19:15:26 GMT -5
But I like other Superman versions besides SR... I think STM and a lot of SII are great. I also like some of the comics and cartoons. Not a fan of Smallville and L&C (though I haven't seen enough of the latter). The George Reeves show seems ok, I don't totally dislike it, but it just isn't my fave.
I don't have to like all the Superman incarnations just because it's supposedly about Superman. I'm allowed.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2011 19:29:23 GMT -5
Why? Because I have a different opinion? SR depicted a more complex Superman. Fact. That said, I still adore CR's Superman, he was a great Superman. I never said I didn't like him. Why would I do that? If I was a fan of him, I would but I"m not. Perhapz you can do it if you like him so much. I've done it for BR because I had the impression that some people here liked him, otherwise I wouldn't. But if it bothers most people so much, I won't do it anymore. So yeah let me know. no, because its just wrong  |
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Post by MAVERICK on Jan 31, 2011 21:03:10 GMT -5
It isn't that it bothers us, Gazer. It's just that maybe it's odd to us that you take everything about Routh so personally and seem to refuse to acknowledge any other incarnation being as good. It borders on creepy. At least that's how I feel about it. Oh snap, my bullshit meter just went off! Stargazer hasn't " refused to acknowledge any other incarnation being as good" And even if she did, wouldn't that be like me saying that you suck because you don't think anyone else is as good as Reeve? She has stated NUMEROUS times which other incarnations that she enjoys. She likes who she likes, & you guys like who you like. That seems simple enough to me. The difference is, she doesn't pick on you guys for liking who you like. And Kev, I'll tell ya what " borders on creepy", little boys who follow her from thread to thread making snide comments toward her about Routh whenever his name comes up in any discussion that she's a part of. Think about it this way: Most of you here have a crush on Christopher Reeve that boarders on homo-erotic ( "Not that theres anything wrong with that"), but, do you see Gazer following you into every thread in which you guys gush over every scene that he was great in? No. She doesn't . Its apples & apples. You guys love Christopher Reeve. You love to talk about him. Nobody gives you shit about it & they shouldn't. Gazer loves Brandon Routh. She loves to talk about him. Russ & a few others love to give her shit about it & you shouldn't. Gazer loves Routh. You love Reeve. The difference is, she doesn't bust your balls for talking about anything you love, so please give her a break & stop doing it to her. |
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Post by lois on Jan 31, 2011 21:45:52 GMT -5
But I like other Superman versions besides SR... I think STM and a lot of SII are great. I also like some of the comics and cartoons. Not a fan of Smallville and L&C (though I haven't seen enough of the latter). The George Reeves show seems ok, I don't totally dislike it, but it just isn't my fave. I don't have to like all the Superman incarnations just because it's supposedly about Superman. I'm allowed. Very well said! Not all of us like the same Superman actors and that's OK with me. I don't like all the Superman incarnations either. I'm not keen on Dean Cain as Superman. I'm still a big and long time Superman fan. And as Maverick so eloquently said, we should treat each other here with courtesy and respect. We're all adults here and should act like them. I for one also really like Routh and I think he was brilliant in the role of Superman and Chris Reeve too. 'nuff said. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2011 22:22:56 GMT -5
What will either stall or kill Routh's career is that his big break was a supposed-to-be-blockbuster that was quickly forgotten by the general public, and the material he had to work with was for the most part, below par.
I liked the guy, but I don't see a lot of future for him.
"Hi, Brandon. I'm George Lazenby. Let me show you around Oblivion."
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Post by lois on Jan 31, 2011 22:30:08 GMT -5
I respectfully disagree. IMHO SR was a really good movie and a lot of fans wanted Routh back in the role as Superman and there were many online petitions by fans to have him recast. I've also looked at several sites and a lot of fans and critics liked SR. Not to mention the DVD sales. I also really liked Routh in Chuck.
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Post by matt on Jan 31, 2011 22:49:51 GMT -5
I'm sure Brandon will get a second chance sometime! and will get another big acting break.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2011 0:49:11 GMT -5
Hey, she said let her know, so I let her know. I don't sugarcoat. Nor am I some "little boy" who follows her from thread to thread to rip on her opinion. If I can't state my opinion in an open way, the same as I always have, without being reprimanded in a ridiculous way, then I'll stop coming here. But I'll be goddamned if I'm going to behave as if I'm the only one here who thinks Gazer is a little too into Routh.
We rip on SGB for being into Slater.
We rip on Russ for being into Stallone.
We can't rip on Gazer for being into Routh?
Fuck that and fuck double standards. What, because she's a girl? She can handle herself. I'm not being mean. Am I? Christ.
For the record, CLEARLY there is nothing wrong with being into Routh, as she is, but I find it closeminded of her to just be all, "Ew, no Routh in the new movie? Feh," and that's all there is to it. Obviously she's a Superman fan, why else would she be here?
I'm gonna have to walk away from this one. Lame. Just lame.
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Post by Legsy on Feb 1, 2011 1:00:13 GMT -5
I think it's just a simple misunderstanding. I don't think MAV was reprimanding you, Kev. At least I'm not reading it that way. It sounded like he was generalizing.
Star, she's passionate about what she likes. She likes to talk mess about SMALLVILLE, and so does MAV. heck, most of you's talk mess about SMALLVILLE, but I don't get upset about it. I acknowledge its crappiness.
Kev, I don't think you're being mean at all. Star is a big girl. She can play with the big boys and get a little roughed up. We all can.
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Post by stargazer01 on Feb 1, 2011 1:24:28 GMT -5
Hey, if I'm not interested in the new movie it's my right, or not?! I DON'T have to try to like it if I don't feel like it. Yes, I'm a Superman fan, but I'm also a big Brandon fan, and I disagree with how things happened. Sorry but I just can't act like nothing happened.
Hope it's everything you all wanted in a S film. I just can't be so casual about it right now. I'm sure I'll watch it some day out of curiosity, probably on dvd.
And I supposed Russ tried to be funny with this post,
But to me it was a mean one. But then it's not surprising coming from him. To each their own, guys. Still enjoy the place. And as a SR fan, I appreciate this space/thread where I can talk about my Superman BR. Thank you.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2011 1:33:42 GMT -5
Of COURSE to each their own, Star! I LOVE Routh AND Superman Returns. heck, I think next to you, I'm the one who loves it the most here. I don't think ANYONE here faults you for that. heck, I don't fault you for anything. Literally. ANYTHING.
But the fact that you say you can't act like nothing happened or be casual about this right now, Routh not being Superman, that just makes me wonder. That's all. I can wonder. And you can continue on being as you are, please do, in fact. Nothing wrong with it if you don't think there is. I'll keep things to myself from now own, I suppose, as things are getting too heated for no apparent reason.
Anyhow.
At least Routh was lucky enough to be Superman at all, let alone in a fantastic movie.
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Post by MAVERICK on Feb 1, 2011 7:20:49 GMT -5
Kev, my comments were directed mostly at Russ. You fool. He's the one who picks at her constantly. I wish he'd just ask her out & get it over with ;D I just quoted you to make my point. And the only reason I did, is because I know Gazer must be pretty bummed right now & doesn't wanna put up with the few who wanna pick at her & laugh because Routh didn't get the part. Now shut up & Kiss me, you overreactive git  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2011 8:55:19 GMT -5
Kev, my comments were directed mostly at Russ. You fool. He's the one who picks at her constantly. I wish he'd just ask her out & get it over with ;D I just quoted you to make my point. And the only reason I did, is because I know Gazer must be pretty bummed right now & doesn't wanna put up with the few who wanna pick at her & laugh because Routh didn't get the part. Now shut up & Kiss me, you overreactive git class ;D ;D |
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Post by lois on Feb 1, 2011 10:49:30 GMT -5
Stargazer, I was also very disappointed that Routh didn't get to star in the next Superman film. I also LOVE SR and to me it was a brilliantly directed film and beautifully executed and NOT a carbon copy of STM. I'm just trying to be open minded about the new S film. Who knows...maybe Cavill might become ill and they'll cast Routh. In fact I'm watching SR again with friends tonight. Routh is such a hunk.  |
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Post by lois on Feb 1, 2011 10:54:52 GMT -5
Kev, my comments were directed mostly at Russ. You fool. He's the one who picks at her constantly. I wish he'd just ask her out & get it over with ;D I just quoted you to make my point. And the only reason I did, is because I know Gazer must be pretty bummed right now & doesn't wanna put up with the few who wanna pick at her & laugh because Routh didn't get the part. Now shut up & Kiss me, you overreactive git Brilliant! absolutely brilliant! Thou art wise. |
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Post by lois on Feb 1, 2011 11:00:58 GMT -5
At least Routh was lucky enough to be Superman at all, let alone in a fantastic movie. Nicely said Kev.  Who knows maybe he will again. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Feb 1, 2011 11:40:58 GMT -5
I think what makes Routh's exit the most painful is that- unlike Lazenby, Routh was mostly widely accepted by the public AND the movie made $400 mil!
If Cavill's Superman makes $400 mil, and they continue on WITH Cavill..... If $400 mil isn't a disappointment then- can't help but wonder if there really are politics involved as well with Routh's not being recast after all....
Guess we'll find out soon enough...
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