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Post by ye5man on Feb 1, 2011 12:30:48 GMT -5
Kev, my comments were directed mostly at Russ Is what while you were quoting Kevin while your "bullshit meter" went off? Fuck's sake, at least have the courage of your convictions instead of side-stepping. And I do have a point about Gazer endorsing everything Routh has been in since 2006. Fair play, we'd all be watching Reeve's films if that were the case (or would we...?) but I think most of us here would be objective about them. And I don't "pick on her constantly" either And honestly, I'm not that much of a Stallone fan as you guys believe. 80% of films are a joke (Expendables is the worst film I've seen inin decades) and he's looking ridiculous these days; I do admire his dedicate to fitness though. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2011 12:41:37 GMT -5
To be fair, I'm not a big Chris Reeve as an actor fan. I love him as Superman but don't care about anything else he's in. It's weird. I've never felt the need to watch him in anything else. He's not that sorta actor to me. Can't say why.
Pucker up, Mav.
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Post by Jimbo on Feb 1, 2011 12:48:53 GMT -5
I can hardly watch Reeve in anything else. I see him, I see Clark Kent or Superman. Not so true with Michael Keaton, Christian Bale, or even Hugh Jackman. When I see them in other movies, I don't see their comic book movie counterparts.
Same reason, it's really hard to watch Shatner or Nimoy in other parts. They'll always be Kirk and Spock.
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Post by ye5man on Feb 1, 2011 13:01:11 GMT -5
I agree with you guys. There are Reeve films I enjoyed when I viewed them such as Street Smart, Switching Channels and "Above suspicion" (yeah, I know that was a TV movie) but I find none of them have a "repeatability" factor
I think Keaton's best work was far above what he did in Batman (I preferred him low key in Jackie Brown to be honest to his manic stuff)
anyway, back to Routh...
Still haven't watched "Chuck" *cough*
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Feb 1, 2011 13:13:46 GMT -5
Agreed. I read an article recently about how pissed off Shatner & Nimoy are about (respectively) not being in the new Star Trek or not being in "Generations" & dont' want to talk Trek anymore.
They should talk to Pierce, George Lazenby, or Brandon Routh..... compared what happened to them, they should have NO reason to complain about being forgotten and discarded.
As far as following Reeve's stuff- I did for a bit.
I think that with the role of Superman, so much of it is having a face that looks like a Greek God, that (unlike Batman/Bale & Keaton with the mask or Wolverine /Jackman with the mutton chops), half of the role is how the face looks with little cover-up.
Feel bad for Brandon: unless there's a last minute Toyota recall of Henry Cavills- seems theres' no chance he can go to the Smallville set, get his suit back, and star in "Man of Steel".
He has to walk around publicly for the rest of his life looking like Superman, but without a dime from WB at this point to show for it (I doubt there was any severance package and I don't think he got paid as much as Reeve did for STM, did he?)
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Post by Jimbo on Feb 1, 2011 13:19:31 GMT -5
I believe Routh was paid 1 million for Superman Returns. Not too bad considering he was an unknown. But I'm sure if there were sequels ready to go, Warner would have to pony up even more millions.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Feb 1, 2011 13:24:07 GMT -5
He did? Oh. I would have taken half of that to play the man of steel. Silly WB. * (*Of course, a short weighty asian playing Supes probably wouldn't have garned $400 mil around the world, but....)  |
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Post by atp on Feb 1, 2011 13:29:38 GMT -5
Routh wasn't even in the movie that much. It felt like SR was more about Lois and Richard and Lex Luthor, and Superman was a cameo role.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Feb 1, 2011 13:55:11 GMT -5
You could say the same for Batman in TDK- but I felt that -like TDK- both characters were in it for the right amount of screen time for what the story called for it. I agree, though, that there could have been more Supes in general.
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Post by ye5man on Feb 1, 2011 13:55:15 GMT -5
I believe Routh was paid 1 million for Superman Returns. Not too bad considering he was an unknown. But I'm sure if there were sequels ready to go, Warner would have to pony up even more millions. Exactly right. After tax and agent fees he still must have cleared enough to be financially free, so hard to feel too sorry for him. The guy will make enough off the convention circuit alone |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Feb 1, 2011 13:59:16 GMT -5
Uhhhh....
Those actors that do the convention circuit- I've seen the same ones over and over at conventions. From talking to people who encounter them over time- a good number seem to be pretty miserable there. I highly doubt that they make much being there.
If Routh showed up there- if not promoting something else- I'd hate to see him HAVE to go to these things purely for financial reasons.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2011 14:03:27 GMT -5
He did? Oh. I would have taken half of that to play the man of steel. Silly WB. * (*Of course, a short weighty asian playing Supes probably wouldn't have garned $400 mil around the world, but....) are you Dean Cain? *snigger* I dont really pay much attention to Reeve's other work either to be honest. Keatons a great actor, Beetlejuice, Batman, Pacific heights, he can do a decent range of stuff  Russ, the main reason im a Sly fan is because of his fitness! and he does look like his spitting image puppet these days Ofcourse he has made a couple of truly brilliant films amongst some real turds. |
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Post by ye5man on Feb 1, 2011 14:15:59 GMT -5
Spitting Image puppet, lol!! Google imaged it; found this:  But yeah, the guy's dedication to fitness is very commendable. If it wasn't for him, its unlikely I'd be in the shape I'm in these days. |
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Post by lois on Feb 1, 2011 17:37:52 GMT -5
Back to Routh *ahem* *cough* IMHO SR had ample scenes with Routh as CK and Superman in the movie. |
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Post by Scissorpuppy on Feb 1, 2011 18:36:08 GMT -5
[ Agreed. I read an article recently about how pissed off Shatner & Nimoy are about (respectively) not being in the new Star Trek or not being in "Generations" & dont' want to talk Trek anymore. They should talk to Pierce, George Lazenby, or Brandon Routh..... compared what happened to them, they should have NO reason to complain about being forgotten and discarded. Nimoy chose not to be involved with Generations, that along with Paramount not wanting to insure all the aging cast. Shatner can stuff it, he is just as gulity as anyone for killing off kirk. He didn't have to do the movie, he did it for the money, which he probably didn't need. BUT! The difference between them and the ones you mentioned is they originated the role with original characters. All the others were just playing parts that had been around for a good while. Sure they probably felt they had more to offer to the roles, and maybe they were not given due respect by the producers in the end, but the role was not "theirs" to begin with. And don't forget that Lazenby left, he was offered a very nice long term deal after OHMMSS and walked away calling the Bond series dead. |
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Post by Valentine Smith on Feb 1, 2011 21:05:56 GMT -5
Routh wasn't even in the movie that much. It felt like SR was more about Lois and Richard and Lex Luthor, and Superman was a cameo role. Wait...did ATP actually just level a legitimate criticism/opinion of SR other than "it is crap"? I think I just had a stroke! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2011 22:23:49 GMT -5
Going back to a previous comment ... yeah, Routh being shown the door is politics. He got hired by the old boss. New boss wants his own people, wants to do this his way. It's like that at any job.
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Post by MAVERICK on Feb 2, 2011 5:33:29 GMT -5
Is what while you were quoting Kevin while your "bullshit meter" went off? Fuck's sake, at least have the courage of your convictions instead of side-stepping. I wasn't side stepping shit. Kevin said something. I called BS on it. I quoted him as an example of what I was talking about & then mentioned you in the same post. I should have made myself more clear when replying to Kevin, I didn't mean to come off as if I were falsely accusing him, when I was referring to you when I said "follow her from thread to thread making snide comments toward her about Routh whenever his name comes up in any discussion that she's a part of". Fact. Sorry about he mixup Kevin. Yeah, yeah you do pick on her. At least have the courage of your convictions. You seem to take a measure of joy in the fact that you can laugh about the fact that Routh is gone, even though you don't dislike him, just because you like to pick at Gazer. Fair enough though, she's one of the boys. Methinks thou doth protest too much ;D ;D ;D Agreed & agreed! To be fair, I'm not a big Chris Reeve as an actor fan. I love him as Superman but don't care about anything else he's in. It's weird. I've never felt the need to watch him in anything else. He's not that sorta actor to me. Can't say why. I've really only seen him in Noises off, Remains of the Day & Somewhere in time. Thought he was great in all those. I really hate watching Routh in anything non-Superman. Not because I don't want to, but it just pisses me off too much to see Superman going to waste. But I LOVE the guy in interviews. He embodies everything Superman is supposed to be & makes it more evident each time he speaks, that he is the most qualified person on the planet to play the role.  |
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Post by Valentine Smith on Feb 2, 2011 8:08:35 GMT -5
WB has already shown us that they aren't afraid to have multiple versions of the character running around at once. heck, we almost had a different Superman in the aborted Justice League movie a few years ago, and that was when Brandon was still FIRMLY expected to be Superman in an SR sequel, and while Smallville was still running.
If they ever do a Justice League movie, maybe they'll bring Routh back. Or if we ever get a proper Superman series, maybe they'll give him a look.
While I think Cavill is a good choice from what I can tell, it bums me out that Brandon, who did such a good job and really took the responsibilities of the role seriously, won't be back.
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Post by lois on Feb 2, 2011 10:16:56 GMT -5
Was watching SR with friends last night. We watched the two disc special edition. We also watched STM. My friends and I saw STM in the theater back in 78. All of us have been Superman fans for over 40 years. A long long time.  Routh's Superman was more serious in tone than Reeve's and Routh's CK wasn't as geeky as Reeve's CK. We all would have liked to have seen Routh back in the role. He was brilliant as Superman. Who knows he may be able to put on the cape again. SR was a beautiful heartfelt film. |
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Post by Scissorpuppy on Feb 2, 2011 10:41:31 GMT -5
Maybe the story elements that WB are loosing legal rights to can be made into a "NSNA" type Superman film with Routh in the role?  |
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Post by lois on Feb 2, 2011 11:01:28 GMT -5
Maybe the story elements that WB are loosing legal rights to can be made into a "NSNA" type Superman film with Routh in the role? ;D I had a really good chuckle when I read that. |
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Post by lois on Feb 2, 2011 11:06:51 GMT -5
WB has already shown us that they aren't afraid to have multiple versions of the character running around at once. heck, we almost had a different Superman in the aborted Justice League movie a few years ago, and that was when Brandon was still FIRMLY expected to be Superman in an SR sequel, and while Smallville was still running. If they ever do a Justice League movie, maybe they'll bring Routh back. Or if we ever get a proper Superman series, maybe they'll give him a look. While I think Cavill is a good choice from what I can tell, it bums me out that Brandon, who did such a good job and really took the responsibilities of the role seriously, won't be back. Why not have Routh in a TV series as Superman? That'd be great. I also think he'd be awesome in a Justice League movie. hmmm...Routh in a Superman TV series. I like that idea. |
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Post by Scissorpuppy on Feb 2, 2011 11:06:35 GMT -5
Producers today don't have the balls to even try something like that.
Someone like McClory should get with the families of Siegal and Shuster and buy the film rights to the elements they hold. Although the entire film might have to be set on Krypton ;D
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Feb 2, 2011 11:42:35 GMT -5
Not to take this thread too off course, but yeah, I'd read about Nimoy's rejection of "Generations" (he was offered the bit that went to Doohan and Chekov ultimately) and Shatner--- well, the guy is Kirk and evil Kirk at the same time. I hear you on the difference of them originally being cast in the role & feeling some ownership, but of all the cast members, they were so well rewarded above everyone else on classic Trek, it's sad that they don't feel grateful and only bitter for what they got. Hopefully Brandon doesn't end up bitter from his experience (though couldn't blame him). |
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