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Post by atp on Jun 24, 2013 11:27:45 GMT -5
So, we kept on hearing about how "layered" and "deep" Shannon's Zod was going to be compared to Terence Stamp.
Did his Zod live up to the hype?
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Post by cypher85 on Jun 24, 2013 11:45:24 GMT -5
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jun 24, 2013 12:33:11 GMT -5
Both of them could have used more screen time.
Donner's footage of a soft-spoken Zod (except when totally losing it at Supes and Jorel) was fascinating for what he seemed to have hidden, by playing against the obvious choices to take as a 'bad guy'.
Under Lester, Zod was easy to hear, but more one-dimensional.
Shannon seemed interesting, but I wanted stronger character scenes written for him.
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Post by atp on Jun 24, 2013 12:51:35 GMT -5
Donner's Zod was perfect.
The portrayal by Terence Stamp at the beginning of STM was and still is incredible. He brings more to STM than even Brando did.
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Post by cypher85 on Jun 24, 2013 13:58:28 GMT -5
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Post by Metallo on Jun 24, 2013 15:13:55 GMT -5
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Post by Jimbo on Jun 24, 2013 15:19:36 GMT -5
Michael Rosenbaum.  Stabbing Kristin Kreuk through the hand puts him over the top. |
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Jun 24, 2013 15:38:39 GMT -5
I know... so radically different versions- its almost not even the same character.
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Post by atp on Jun 24, 2013 15:59:31 GMT -5
Why was Shannon speaking with the Christian-Bale-Raspy-Batman-Begins voice towards the end of MoS?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2013 16:43:54 GMT -5
Shannon.
Like both but Stamp's is quite camp and he's really just heck bent on ruling. I thought Shannon's was more interesting, and he doesn't shout 'YOUR AAAAASS' (even if it was supposed to be heirs).
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Post by Metallo on Jun 24, 2013 16:45:47 GMT -5
Why was Shannon speaking with the Christian-Bale-Raspy-Batman-Begins voice towards the end of MoS? Becsue all villains must now speak in an eccentric voice. So saying Hollywood. |
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Jun 24, 2013 18:22:38 GMT -5
Why was Shannon speaking with the Christian-Bale-Raspy-Batman-Begins voice towards the end of MoS? that was a bit where i really felt sorry for zod, and absolutely believed him. his vocal affectation there is brilliant. he is so shocked/appalled/wounded emotionally/furious/exasperated he can barely articulate. have you ever been that angry? i dont mean, cut off in traffic, hot coffee spilled, fired by an asshole boss, i mean END OF WORLD pissed? from where zod is standing, the house of EL committed sacrilege by stealing, then destroying (effectively) the codex. zod, kryptons protector was stymied by the useless and inept ruling class- he watched his planet die, he wanders the galaxy only finding kryptons ghost towns, he finds earth, the last El- and THEN- THEN! he finds that the son of heretic Jor has gone native- betrays his heritage for a planet of monkeys, who in turn destroys the very very LAST chance zod has of fulfilling his purpose. zod isnt just angry- he's devastated. he lacks the vocabulary or restraint to carefully articulate just how all things being equal that kel-el is, to him, the single biggest piece of evil filth ever known. ive not gone through that! LOL! but i have had experiences of such severe emotional trauma that i was paralyzed with rage and couldnt speak if i had to- and when i could- it was very forced and trembling and raspy. shannon owned this role. |
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Post by EnriqueH on Jun 24, 2013 22:30:19 GMT -5
Stamp
I really, really liked Shannon, but i think it's perfectly obvious he's not going down in the history books as a top 25 villain.
Stamp's Zod is.
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Post by Jimbo on Jun 25, 2013 0:38:31 GMT -5
There's really two Stamps though. Donner's was cold and frightening. Lester's was foppish and easily crazed.
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Post by EnriqueH on Jun 25, 2013 0:42:00 GMT -5
Non-issue.
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Post by atp on Jun 25, 2013 0:53:18 GMT -5
There's really two Stamps though. Donner's was cold and frightening. Lester's was foppish and easily crazed. I am referring to Donner's. The Lester version was crap, that's for sure. |
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Post by cypher85 on Jun 25, 2013 6:12:25 GMT -5
And therin lies one of the major problems with stamp, his zod isn't even consistently portrayed over the course of a single movie.
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Post by Metallo on Jun 25, 2013 7:25:40 GMT -5
There's really two Stamps though. Donner's was cold and frightening. Lester's was foppish and easily crazed. And Stamp was excellent in both. Shannon was ok but he didn't own that role like Stamp did or McKellan as Magneto or Ledger as Joker or Hiddleston as Loki. heck id EASILY put Frank Gorshins Riddler above Shannon's Zod. Theres a reason he got an emmy nom. It was iconic. There are more I'd put over Shannon but fewer I'd out over Stamp. let's all be honest. If it wasn't for Stamp most people wouldn't even know who the heck Zod is or recognize him in Man of Steel. Any number of phantom zone villains could have been put into that role. It's been done before. Zod was chosen because of the notoriety he gained from Superman II. Thats where most peoples knowledge of the character comes from. Most people couldn't pick comic book Zod out of a lineup. That's thanks to Stamps portrayal. When you transcend the source material you've done something special. |
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Post by EnriqueH on Jun 25, 2013 7:51:01 GMT -5
And therin lies one of the major problems with stamp, his zod isn't even consistently portrayed over the course of a single movie. Sent from my XT907 using ProBoards Why do you say this to me??? When you know I will kill you for it?! |
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Post by ChrisM on Jun 25, 2013 9:56:22 GMT -5
1. Donner Zod*
2. Shannon
3. Donner Lex
4. Singer Lex
5. Lester Zod
I'm not going to bother with the others as they were clearly crap.
I put an asterik next to #1 because we unfortunately only have a small sample size to work with, but what we do have was cold, calculating and a show-stealer.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jun 25, 2013 12:21:02 GMT -5
ABSOLUTELY.
As a kid, while I was dazzled by the (at the time) original title fx- the thing that really riveted me was Stamps' shouting out at Jorel at the trial sequence in STM. Some critics felt that it should have been left out of STM and saved solely for SII- but it's hard to imagine the movie having the same effect without Stamp/Zod's threat in the beginning. It draws you into the film for sure. It's a pity that they cut the 'teaser' at the end of STM where he and the other criminals are freed. It would have been a nice 'bookend' to have us go out on STM with Zod's presence as we started with him in the beginning.
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Post by EnriqueH on Jun 25, 2013 12:37:11 GMT -5
Zod's shouting at the beginning of STM was intense.
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Post by Metallo on Jun 25, 2013 14:35:47 GMT -5
Zod and co being put into the phantom zone is exactly how you have things that can be used for a sequel later. It's perfect. Zods motivations in II make sense but STM wouldn't have depended on the trial sequence if a Superman II never got made. It's a lesson movies like Green Lantern and even many of the Marvel films should have learned from.
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Jun 25, 2013 16:07:52 GMT -5
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jun 25, 2013 18:45:18 GMT -5
True...
Still- If STM started without the trial sequence--- it would have still worked (as it doesn't really end on the zone cliffhanger but the time reversal).... and you could have easily put it in front of SII and still have had it work without having it placed in STM.
(Actually it might have ended up even more consistent with Lester's version had they done it that way).
But- as mentioned, it does add a bit of freshness to the whole Superman epic by having that scene at the front of STM... also, it's interesting how much the imagery from the 1970's of a scifi world actually holds up pretty well today- while the crystal city could be done better now in cgi, it is still a unique and visually graceful visual concept for a scifi planet.
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