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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jun 30, 2013 13:59:54 GMT -5
I still find myself laughing a bit when I think of how they did the initial promos for the "Flash" tv show (which actually wasn't that bad, mainly just mediocre and bland)--- but since it was a time where Burton's "Batman" came out, they decided that it should be shot with dark lighting/whatnot.
You're right, though.... I'd be giantly suprised if the costume for "Flash" -once he gets to the bigscreen- isn't converted into leather-black (*One good thing I'll give GL is that the final costume actually LOOKS like the comic in the movie. Lame cgi eye-mask, though. What a waste of good 3-d animators) or dirt brown.
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Post by Metallo on Jun 30, 2013 16:17:10 GMT -5
Well Flash Gordon or DCs Flash...either way I've lost a lot of enthusiasm for what we will see from Hollywood. I've given up on seeing anything fun or creative from a Flash movie. It'll be a miracle if his suit isn't a bunch of muted colors with some kind of overly complex diamond pattern bullshit. Flash will have issues. Angst. And his powers will have to have more of a real world basis so the more fantastical stuff will be out the door. heck he probably won't be hit by lightning. It'll be a genetically engineered nanotech laser accident in a government lab. Green Lantern? Boy will be be screwed by the gritty realistic dildo. Wonder Woman? All the more interesting mythological elements will be thrown out like old leftovers. Arrow is suffering from the same effects The Flash tv show did 20 plus years ago (only its not as good). Instead of Burton's Batman it looks like a mishmash of Nolans Batman and Smallville. Oh and they don't call him Green Arrow anymore. He's the hood. Yep. I wonder If code names for DC heroes are a thing of the past too? Even Superman got called Superman one time and who knows if that will stick. Cause...realism.  |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jun 30, 2013 16:28:57 GMT -5
Ough.... sorry to hear that about the Green Arrow tv show- I've been avoiding it, for that reason.... I couldn't stand the heartache of seeing comic book elements get changed to 'conform' to what showrunners (or the network) feels wouldn't be 'realistic' enough, Smallville style.
It's like things are going 'backwards' to earlier days when we had horrible tv movies supposedly based on superheroes- even though they changed (just about) every last detail of the source material.
Singer changing X-men to black leather I wasn't crazy about- but he got so many other things perfectly, I thought it forgiveable.
Still, if Marvel continues to make adaptations that are close to the source material, there's hope that DC/WB won't ever be able to make the argument that costumes and names won't work at all for today's audiences. (As much as they want to try)
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Post by Metallo on Jun 30, 2013 21:15:14 GMT -5
I could understand what Singer did with Xmen because at that point comic book adaptations were tongue in cheek crap that people didn't take seriously. So we needed something more grounded. Now you'd think the pendulum would swing the other way a bit. For Marvel it did. But WB and DC they are to in imaginative to risk getting away from the Nolan blueprint. They don't have the vision.
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Post by EnriqueH on Jul 1, 2013 21:26:36 GMT -5
Shit, I really liked X-Men 1 and 2.
Part 1 has things about it that could've been better, but that cast is a dream. Completely elevates the material.
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Post by atp on Jul 6, 2013 8:31:21 GMT -5
Stamp's dangerous "bored" look sells it for me. Like Kevin says, its all in the eyes. The whitehouse scene is his best scene IMO. There's a look that he gives Ursa after they trash the army in Houston that just spoke VOLUMES. There are subtleties in Stamps performance that I'm still noticing all these years later. There's another great look he does later too. In the White House, when he says, "Who is this imbecile? Where is he?" he derisively casts his eyes from side to side. It's like he's literally saying, "Where is he? Why isn't he here?" |
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Post by Metallo on Jul 6, 2013 8:58:11 GMT -5
Shit, I really liked X-Men 1 and 2. Part 1 has things about it that could've been better, but that cast is a dream. Completely elevates the material. Agreed. Stewart and McKellan showed the film was something to take seriously. Great casting. I wouldn't have wanted anyone else back then. Even the other parts had solid casting. Love Famke Janssen. She's always been better than the material she gets as Jean. |
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Post by EnriqueH on Jul 6, 2013 11:19:22 GMT -5
Stewart, McKellan, Jackman, Famke, Marsden, Paquin, Ice Man.
The only one that I thought was weak was Halle Berry, though she improved in 2 and 3.
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Post by Metallo on Jul 6, 2013 11:35:34 GMT -5
Yeah I think Berry was the weak link. Miscast as Storm and not always the best actress. I think X2 had her strongest performance as Storm because it was the film with the best written material plus the better director.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2013 17:51:14 GMT -5
I love how her accent disappears.
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Post by Jimbo on Jul 7, 2013 23:23:58 GMT -5
Definitely Stamp.
I'm not a fan of Shannon's Zod in that he's essentially an automaton with no free will. He is programmed to "save Krypton", but it's up to him to decide how far to take that. When there was no more Krypton to save, all that's left for him is "suicide by cop". But of course for Snyder, that means a 15-minute action sequence with explosions and collapsed buildings. Yawn.
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Post by atp on Jul 8, 2013 12:37:06 GMT -5
Definitely Stamp. I'm not a fan of Shannon's Zod in that he's essentially an automaton with no free will. He is programmed to "save Krypton", but it's up to him to decide how far to take that. When there was no more Krypton to save, all that's left for him is "suicide by cop". But of course for Snyder, that means a 15-minute action sequence with explosions and collapsed buildings. Yawn. You know, you made me think of something... Would it have been better if Zod had just committed suicide at the end of MoS? After telling Kal-El that he has no people and he has taken his soul from him, just have Zod put a laser gun in his mouth and shoot himself. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2013 14:01:26 GMT -5
That's an intriguing idea. Maybe too "dark" for the movie, but I like it.
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Post by Jimbo on Jul 8, 2013 15:15:11 GMT -5
Definitely Stamp. I'm not a fan of Shannon's Zod in that he's essentially an automaton with no free will. He is programmed to "save Krypton", but it's up to him to decide how far to take that. When there was no more Krypton to save, all that's left for him is "suicide by cop". But of course for Snyder, that means a 15-minute action sequence with explosions and collapsed buildings. Yawn. You know, you made me think of something... Would it have been better if Zod had just committed suicide at the end of MoS? After telling Kal-El that he has no people and he has taken his soul from him, just have Zod put a laser gun in his mouth and shoot himself. "I cannot self-terminate. You must lower me into the steel." |
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Post by EnriqueH on Jul 8, 2013 17:09:19 GMT -5
Definitely Stamp. I'm not a fan of Shannon's Zod in that he's essentially an automaton with no free will. He is programmed to "save Krypton", but it's up to him to decide how far to take that. When there was no more Krypton to save, all that's left for him is "suicide by cop". But of course for Snyder, that means a 15-minute action sequence with explosions and collapsed buildings. Yawn. You know, you made me think of something... Would it have been better if Zod had just committed suicide at the end of MoS? After telling Kal-El that he has no people and he has taken his soul from him, just have Zod put a laser gun in his mouth and shoot himself. Or how about stab himself I the stomach with a Kryptonite shard? |
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Post by atp on Jul 8, 2013 17:14:58 GMT -5
Good idea.
Zod would never allow guns on the planet. He had a bad experience with them once and he's fearful of assassination.
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Post by ye5man on Jul 10, 2013 2:58:20 GMT -5
That would have been seen as "the easy way out" from a writer POV.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2013 12:46:44 GMT -5
Oil pastel, and I obviously picked different colors. Kneel, bitches.  |
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Post by Metallo on Aug 18, 2013 13:44:00 GMT -5
That would have been seen as "the easy way out" from a writer POV. They sort of already went with the easy way out by having Superman kill Zod in the first place. It's much harder to make it "cool" by trying to have Superman let Zod live or die by other means than have the good guy kill the hero. It would have taken better writing to have Superman let Zod live or have him die in an equally satisfying way that's not at Superman's hands. MOS's Zod Would never take his own life. He was born and bred a warrior and I think he wanted to die a warriors death in combat. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2013 14:09:56 GMT -5
Would have been great if Superman clamped his hands over Zod's eyes and due to Zod's unwillingness to stop, his head explodes, or at least fucks him up into a braindead state, and also really hurts Superman. Like what happened at the end of STAS but more permanent.
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Fuck.
That's exactly what should've happened.
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Aug 18, 2013 14:35:31 GMT -5
Superman should painlessly removed his powers without zod so much as feeling a drop in glucose levels, dim the lights a second, fign weakness, then break zods hand and throw him off a cliff. While (lazy writing!) Luthor "explains" what just happened.
A zod suicide might have been a less contraversial ending. Maybe if zod offs himself but then burdens kal-el with some moral obligation to go and do things to archive krypton artifacts it could have opened up some story material.
The challenge for mos2, is to see if kal can salvage the jor program from the wreckage of zods ship- or anything else for a fortress. Or is he totally on his own? Maybe brainiac will give him a chance to restore a krypton legacy...
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Post by EnriqueH on Aug 18, 2013 21:34:48 GMT -5
Superman should painlessly removed his powers without zod so much as feeling a drop in glucose levels, dim the lights a second, fign weakness, then break zods hand and throw him off a cliff. While (lazy writing!) Luthor "explains" what just happened. All that, and it's STILL better than MOS. |
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Post by Jimbo on Aug 19, 2013 11:44:48 GMT -5
"COME, AND KNEEL BEFORE ZOD!.......ZOD!" > "I WILL FIND HIM!"
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Aug 19, 2013 11:55:29 GMT -5
Superman should painlessly removed his powers without zod so much as feeling a drop in glucose levels, dim the lights a second, fign weakness, then break zods hand and throw him off a cliff. While (lazy writing!) Luthor "explains" what just happened. All that, and it's STILL better than MOS. Id say a lateral move. Stamp gives us the classical mustache twirling megalomaniac talking in the third person, like in a silent film with the damsel tied to the railroad waiting for dudley doright to save the day, whearas shannon gives us a purpose-driven layered villain. Its almost not even the same character. |
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Post by Metallo on Aug 19, 2013 12:31:30 GMT -5
Stamps Zod lived up to his rank. He seemed far more effective as a military commander. His biggest flaw was to underestimate Superman's intelligence. Shannon's Zod got outwitted by a rookie. I could understand underestimating him because of that but their handling of Superman seemed incredibly stupid from the very beginning.
Stamp was just far more memorable and SII did a better job of playing out the story where Superman finishes his fathers work concerning Zod. Shannon certainly didn't give Stsmp the kind of completion with Zod that Ledger did compared Nicholsons Joker.
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