Superman/Batman film announcement due?

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I still love Generations. I love all the Trek flicks. All of them.

I bet you there IS a script or at least an outline or something that was worked on before MOS even came out. I'd even wager to bet that Batman has ALWAYS been in the works for Part II. Do we really think Affleck was talking about Justice League all those months ago with WB? Remember those rumors? That could've been Batman talk even THEN.

This whole "Batman in the next movie" thing might not be the move of desperation a lot of you think it is. It could've been planned from the beginning. We'll never know the truth, unfortunately, but I truly believe that this wasn't a "Oh SHIT, what do we do next?! Uhhh...fuck it, Batman!" situation.

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Malcolm McDowell deserved better material. He's the only reason I'll put up with that dreck.

[Jor-L5150]

Captain picard vs caligula

[Metallo]

If Batman in MOS was the plan all along they never would have confirmed JLA themselves for 2015. Then the script for that fell apart and they put MOS2 in the JL slot. If it was the plan the script would be much further along than it was. Goyer himself said they had a lot of work to do on it after the announcement was made. At best MOS2 with Batman was one option on table. Remember the rumor was that Affleck was also being considered to play Batman in JL as well as direct it. Maybe they shifted that deal over to a MOS 2.

[ye5man]

Aug 31, 2013 0:28:04 GMT -5 @ucfkevin said:

I still love Generations.

So do I as it goes. Turn off the brain and enjoy the ride. Film is a little bit under-rated IMO.

[Metallo]

Generations was just the biggest missed opportunity of the series. It was a disappointment but its still a solid film. There are other Trek films far worse.

[crazy_asian_man]

Generations was just the biggest missed opportunity of the series. It was a disappointment but its still a solid film. There are other Trek films far worse.

I enjoyed it for what it was--- and as time goes by, maybe even moreso. (The message of the movie resonates I feel- plus the last scene really feels like the end of the TNG series era where they leave the crashed ship.... Nemesis tried for the same feeling, but Baird just wasn't enough of a fan to 'get it' I think).

IMO they should have just recycled "yesterday's Enterprise" plot to merge both the old series cast and the new. I know Berman said they didn't want to repeat the story, but I think it would have been forgiven with slight tweaks.

Ironically, I think that same plot for "Yesterday's Enterprise" coincidentally will be played out (at least the basic structure) for Singer's new "Days of Future Past" with his old/new cast. He must be giddy that he's sort of doing Star Trek in some form.

[crazy_asian_man]

If Batman in MOS was the plan all along they never would have confirmed JLA themselves for 2015. Then the script for that fell apart and they put MOS2 in the JL slot. If it was the plan the script would be much further along than it was. Goyer himself said they had a lot of work to do on it after the announcement was made. At best MOS2 with Batman was one option on table. Remember the rumor was that Affleck was also being considered to play Batman in JL as well as direct it. Maybe they shifted that deal over to a MOS 2.

True....

I have a hunch it's similar to the Spiderman 3 situation. In that case, Raimi wanted to go in one direction, the studio another--- and Spiderman 3 was a rushed compromise. (Originally it was going to be two movies- which I think might have saved that film).

Maybe the truth is somewhere in between it being a rushed backup plan and pre-planned.

One thing we can go by (which I find odd):

In SR's case- the studio chose to go slow enough with a sequel so as not to even have a script written after SR 2 supposedly had a greenlight for that small window where it was announced.
(Considering all the costs, aren't the scripts pretty much the cheapest things to purchase for these giant blockbusters?)

In any case-
Most people will go to see Batman vs. Superman out of curiosity. Will they return in droves to see it again and again?
Way hard to tell yet...

Personally- I'm back to lowering the expectations again to enjoy it better. I was disappointed with both the action sequences and dramatic sequences for MOS- though there were a few scenes that I thought were great, and many that COULD have been great.
With the dramatic scenes, I wasn't suprised, but I thought that the action sequences were going to be as good as Snyder's in Sucker Punch (which were fantastic).

I don't have a lot of hope for the story- but at this point if Snyder pulls back on the superblur fx- then the action scenes could be great. All I'm looking at, at this point.

On another note-
One writer put out the idea that instead of Batman vs. Superman, it should be Wonder Woman vs. Superman.

That would have raised my interest. (Though I wouldn't want to see Affleck playing Wonder Woman)

[Jor-L5150]

Hans was interviewed recently (clip @ comicbookmovie {sorry val- denof geek didn't have it yet}) and expressed some reservation about scoring batman again- not in any megative way, just that he already did a version of batman and he'd have to come up with another.

I think he's up to it, but I wouldn't blame him if he passed on it this time.

[cypher85]

Yeah, it's kind of weird to think about 1 composer coming up with 2 different themes for different takes on the same character.

[Jor-L5150]

www.supermanhomepage.com/news.php?readmore=13876

the hans clip, i love this guy. very charming fella.

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Sept 3, 2013 19:52:21 GMT -5 Jor-L5150 said:

www.supermanhomepage.com/news.php?readmore=13876

the hans clip, i love this guy. very charming fella.

class act.

[crazy_asian_man]

Yeah, it's kind of weird to think about 1 composer coming up with 2 different themes for different takes on the same character.

Has this ever been done before in movie history?

The closest thing I'd heard to something like that has to be Basil Pouledouris' two Conan the Barbarian soundtracks- I know the second was still the same theme- but the tone of the movie was so different from the first to the second (the second intentionally being a kids' film)- that I enjoyed both scores, but the music feels wildly different.

In any case, when MOS was announced, I was wondering if they were going to approach Williams to do a whole new take on Superman..... and if he would have accepted the job or not. To me, THAT would have been interesting. (Williams vs. Williams!)

[Jor-L5150]

so you hear that zack snyder is looking for batmans girlfriend?

this says (potentially) a lot about the plot.

A) unlike the S:TAS "worlds finest" lois won;t be boning bruce before trading up to superman
B) "asylum" wolfgangs WF movie focused on bruce's philly being killed- and brings him out of retirement...
..if this is the case, it could be an echo of nolans batman... not "officially"- but implied. like how ang lees hulk has banner laying low in south america at the end, and ed nortons hulk starts in south america. not really the SAME hulk, but for the casual viewer it seems to "blend".
C) it means very little.

[MerM]

Nothing really wrong with that, Batman had a different love interest every film in the Burton/Schumacher series. Could be a nice opportunity to tell its own story instead of cribbing from canon.

[EnriqueH]

I hope Snyder has better taste in women than Nolan.

This could be the ONE area where he beats Nolan, but then that won't take much effort.

Nolan seems to like women who are shaped like pie-faced thermometers.

[Metallo]

I'm pretty sure Wayne's fiancé was a fake in The Peterson films script. That set up was totally different. Plus in Nolan's films Wayne ended up with Selena Kyle in his new life. The world thought Wayne was dead too. If this new girlfriend is a new character those wont exactly "blend". I can't imagine they'll use most of Walker/Goldsmans script. That Batman was still very public as Wayne just retired from being Batman. Not the same as in TDKR. This new girlfriend role in the new film could be anything. It could be like Elle McPherson's role in Batman & Robin: a standard arm candy minor role. Or it could be a new to film character like Silver St Cloud. Or it could be a totally new character if this rumor is true. Who knows.

[crazy_asian_man]

I wonder if they play up the idea that Superman is responsible for the collateral damage --- and that Bruce's love interest was among the dead?

In any case---
I liked the first BB in that it established the idea that 'Bruce' died- and that only the Batman persona was real- and that he was no more than an obsessed machine. (*Which is why I found TDKR just 'wrong' in that he hung up the cape after Rachel died.... hard to envision that).

What I do find interesting is if they choose to TRY to imply a 'blend' as mentioned here with TDKR- or if they want Batman at near the start of his own career for the reboot. Hmp.

On another note, has anyone heard if the '13 appearances' for Ben Affleck as Batman is credible?

[ye5man]

Why did he stop becoming Batman by TDKR anyway? I've forgot.

[Metallo]

1. The Dent Act had effectively crippled organized crime in Gotham. Most of the criminals were locked up in Blackgate prison for a long time and I think parole wasn't as easy to get. The new law gave prosecutors and police far more power to basically wipe out major crime and not have their hands tied legally. The corruption in the police department had also been better dealt with. There was really no need for Batman anymore.

2. Bruce Wayne was a physical wreck after TDK. TDKR had him doing his job a little too easy at times I feel but the fight with Bane showed how physically outmatched and unprepared he was to face a real challenge both physically and mentally. Like Alfred said he wasn't what he used to be.

3. Because Batman was wanted for the murder of Harvey Dent and several other people he'd never be able to show his face and do his job properly because the police would be all over him as soon as he was sighted. That's EXACTLY what we saw happen in TDKR when he reappeared. Even if there was crime to fight and he wanted to come back the odds would be against him making a difference because he'd be trying to avoid capture too. Batman TAS did a great episode that dealt with this same thing.

A lot of people think Rachel dying was why he quit but that wasn't it. If anything her death was why he couldn't move on from being Batman. He didn't dismantle the cave or give the equipment back to Fox to store. The Batcave got finished between TDK AND TDKR. He kept everything ready because he was just waited for a reason to put the cape and cowl back on. Bane provided that reason. In Bruce's mind Rachel dying meant there was no new life waiting for Bruce Wayne once his mission as Batman was over. Batman was what he had left.

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Shit. Excellent explanation.

Enrique, are we to understand you DON'T like Nolan's taste in casting women? Well, this is certainly news to us all! I hope we hear about it some more!

[Jor-L5150]

That maggie gyllenhall....

Mmm...mmmmm

[EnriqueH]

Jor, Maggie's got a face like a pig with no tits or ass, but hey.

If your taste in Superman movies is any indication, I shouldn't be surprised that your taste in chicks is just as bad.

[Metallo]

I thought Katie Holmes looked ok. Problem was she was royally miscast and stuck out like a sore thumb in that cast. If people think Bosworth was a weak Lois in her comic book movie...

[EnriqueH]

Sept 5, 2013 18:38:49 GMT -5 Metallo said:

I thought Katie Holmes looked ok. Problem was she was royally miscast and stuck out like a sore thumb in that cast. If people think Bosworth was a weak Lois in her comic book movie...

Katie isn't the best actress, but she was better than Maggie Gyllenhal, and not just physically. Katie also sold the part's go-get-em attitude.

Not sure why Nolan recast her.

Maybe he looked at her and said, "Nah, we need someone ugly for the role."