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Post by Metallo on May 12, 2018 8:55:44 GMT -5
They would have done the same thing the Salkinds did on the second musketeer movie or what troma did on toxic avenger 3. Take the extra footage and edit it into a movie. Maybe film some extra stuff as bridging material. That almost never turns out well. Check out the wake up ron burgundy movie. They basically took the B plot and unused takes from the original cut that were edited out and cut them into a new film. Problem is it’s blatantly obvious that’s what they did.
As for the plan for the dceu I feel vindicated. Back before the big board split certain people were saying marvels way wasn’t the only way and doing it in reverse to introduce the dc movie universe could work. I pointed out that marvels way wasn’t the only way but it might have been the best way. Seems like time and history have proven me right. Marvels seeing unprecedented success within their company while the fate of the dceu hinges on Aquaman. Who ever would have thought?
What certain people didn’t get was this: not only were the solo movies part of the character building process but they were also huge parts of the promotional and hype building process. We got to see who the characters were so that people were curious to see how they would interact. We’re seeing that taken to the maximum with infinity war. We don’t really even know who Flash is or who Aquaman is. The only Leaguer who really got fleshed out well was Wonder Woman. Superman needed a sequel. Batman needed a solo film. Flash arguably did but I don't think that’s an absolute.
People didn’t give a f*ck about Justice League because there was no reason to. There was no reason to see flash Aquaman and cyborg team up with the big three. WW didn’t really build up JL at all just introduce some supporting characters. Suicide squad was a waste of time outside of one post credit scene with Bruce Wayne. WB basically built to JL with one film and even that one did it with a sh!t film. Thanos has been in the background for 6 years. Steppenwolf got introduced in a deleted scene that got posted on youtube. What the actual F*ck?
The justice league wasn’t made out to look like a big deal. The avengers were as soon as Sam Jackson showed up at the end of iron man in 2008 and every movie tied into the next one and people began to realize this was building to something. Then they wanted to see where it was going. It could have been crap but the anticipation built for years with each movie.
With JL WB just shat it out upon the world and said “behold.”
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 13, 2018 0:34:06 GMT -5
They would have done the same thing the Salkinds did on the second musketeer movie or what troma did on toxic avenger 3. Take the extra footage and edit it into a movie. Maybe film some extra stuff as bridging material. That almost never turns out well. Check out the wake up ron burgundy movie. They basically took the B plot and unused takes from the original cut that were edited out and cut them into a new film. Problem is it’s blatantly obvious that’s what they did. As for the plan for the dceu I feel vindicated. Back before the big board split certain people were saying marvels way wasn’t the only way and doing it in reverse to introduce the dc movie universe could work. I pointed out that marvels way wasn’t the only way but it might have been the best way. Seems like time and history have proven me right. Marvels seeing unprecedented success within their company while the fate of the dceu hinges on Aquaman. Who ever would have thought? What certain people didn’t get was this: not only were the solo movies part of the character building process but they were also huge parts of the promotional and hype building process. We got to see who the characters were so that people were curious to see how they would interact. We’re seeing that taken to the maximum with infinity war. We don’t really even know who Flash is or who Aquaman is. The only Leaguer who really got fleshed out well was Wonder Woman. Superman needed a sequel. Batman needed a solo film. Flash arguably did but I don't think that’s an absolute. People didn’t give a f*ck about Justice League because there was no reason to. There was no reason to see flash Aquaman and cyborg team up with the big three. WW didn’t really build up JL at all just introduce some supporting characters. Suicide squad was a waste of time outside of one post credit scene with Bruce Wayne. WB basically built to JL with one film and even that one did it with a sh!t film. Thanos has been in the background for 6 years. Steppenwolf got introduced in a deleted scene that got posted on youtube. What the actual F*ck? The justice league wasn’t made out to look like a big deal. The avengers were as soon as Sam Jackson showed up at the end of iron man in 2008 and every movie tied into the next one and people began to realize this was building to something. Then they wanted to see where it was going. It could have been crap but the anticipation built for years with each movie. With JL WB just shat it out upon the world and said “behold.” I agree- It CAN work with introducing tons of characters at the forefront and spinning off.... but it's far less interesting to do it that way. I got a big kick out of my nephew freaking out over seeing Dr. Strange in Thor 3, the second he appeared- and he's not even that much of a comic fan. But by having him seen "Dr. Strange" prior- it really is (still) an incredibly unique thing to see characters from one lead movie played by one actor walk into another movie with the same actor and character. His response was incredibly enjoyable, made me think of how excited I was as a kid when I'd see a Marvel character pop up in other books. (It's not a big deal now, but back then) Glad he could kind of enjoy that same enjoyment I had back then. |
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Post by Metallo on May 13, 2018 16:04:55 GMT -5
That’s a great example. He cared because he knew who character was and was excited to see him interact with another character he was familiar with. With the dceu...we didn’t know who these guys were so why should we be excited?
Not that I wanted him to be but if bale was Batman BvS would have crossed the billion dollar mark on him being in it alone. Same movie but with his version of Batman. That’s because people were invested in that Batman and what he’d been through.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 14, 2018 11:49:00 GMT -5
That’s a great example. He cared because he knew who character was and was excited to see him interact with another character he was familiar with. With the dceu...we didn’t know who these guys were so why should we be excited? Not that I wanted him to be but if bale was Batman BvS would have crossed the billion dollar mark on him being in it alone. Same movie but with his version of Batman. That’s because people were invested in that Batman and what he’d been through. Totally agree!!! It would have been a win-win to have had Bale come back as an older Batman. I STILL think he could come back (and should!). |
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Post by Metallo on May 14, 2018 13:52:03 GMT -5
If the dceu totally fails don’t be shocked if we don’t at least see WB make a big money offer. Not saying they’d take it but dark knight was the last dc movie I’d truly call great. With the MCU killing it the DCEU is just looking worse and worse in comparison.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 14, 2018 14:06:01 GMT -5
If the dceu totally fails don’t be shocked if we don’t at least see WB make a big money offer. Not saying they’d take it but dark knight was the last dc movie I’d truly call great. With the MCU killing it the DCEU is just looking worse and worse in comparison. I can only imagine what the WB conference room is like every day "Avengers Infinity War" continues to break box office records. Maybe they just avoid all talk of it and ignore it exists, until the shareholders call in and bitch the execs out over why WB can't get it right.  |
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Post by Metallo on May 17, 2018 14:53:23 GMT -5
Infinity war just passed Jurassic world worldwide. Already. All that’s left to pass worldwide is the two billion dollar earners. It probably will pass titanic domestically and force awakens overseas.
People at WB have to loathe Tsujihara at this point. All the execs over there should feel like sh!t.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 17, 2018 15:33:57 GMT -5
Infinity war just passed Jurassic world worldwide. Already. All that’s left to pass worldwide is the two billion dollar earners. It probably will pass titanic domestically and force awakens overseas. People at WB have to loathe Tsujihara at this point. All the execs over there should feel like sh!t. Just listened to the Black Panther 'script to screen' featurette and it was mentioned how Marvel Studios actually is only a few people, not a board room, making decisions. I think it is important to note that as critical as we get of the Salkinds at times- (particularly for the Donner situation)- WB hasn't exactly been a shining protector of the property, either.... even back to the Reeve days. If WB is blowing it with films that they're making.... it seems like the other option they were comfortable with was not making ANYTHING until Marvel Studios embarrassed them to give green lights to something. Also: Disney/Marvel allowed "Inhumans" and "Iron Fist" to happen..... fortunately it looks like Hollywood and (it seems like) the mainstream get that the Marvel movies and tv are separate entities. Wonder if we'll get any inkling on 'Phase 4' before next year's Avengers, or if we'll have to wait. My main curiosity is whether or not the 'big three' will end (Iron Man, Thor, Captain America)- or - have successors in the next phase, or just be supplanted by the newer movie entries' sequels (Spiderman, Captain Marvel, Dr.Strange- and/or 'X-men' and "Fantastic Four'?).... will see if the world doesn't blow up by then.... |
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Post by Metallo on May 17, 2018 20:57:00 GMT -5
Infinity war just passed Jurassic world worldwide. Already. All that’s left to pass worldwide is the two billion dollar earners. It probably will pass titanic domestically and force awakens overseas. People at WB have to loathe Tsujihara at this point. All the execs over there should feel like sh!t. Just listened to the Black Panther 'script to screen' featurette and it was mentioned how Marvel Studios actually is only a few people, not a board room, making decisions. I think it is important to note that as critical as we get of the Salkinds at times- (particularly for the Donner situation)- WB hasn't exactly been a shining protector of the property, either.... even back to the Reeve days. If WB is blowing it with films that they're making.... it seems like the other option they were comfortable with was not making ANYTHING until Marvel Studios embarrassed them to give green lights to something. Also: Disney/Marvel allowed "Inhumans" and "Iron Fist" to happen..... fortunately it looks like Hollywood and (it seems like) the mainstream get that the Marvel movies and tv are separate entities. Wonder if we'll get any inkling on 'Phase 4' before next year's Avengers, or if we'll have to wait. My main curiosity is whether or not the 'big three' will end (Iron Man, Thor, Captain America)- or - have successors in the next phase, or just be supplanted by the newer movie entries' sequels (Spiderman, Captain Marvel, Dr.Strange- and/or 'X-men' and "Fantastic Four'?).... will see if the world doesn't blow up by then.... They used to have a sort of board when Feige answered to Perlmutter but it’s interesting that marvels quality of output has improved since they ended that. The quality of the films has been far more consistent the last couple of years. I’d gladly take the salkinds over the current idiotic WB braintrust. They’re blowing something that could have been huge in the way the salkinds never did. I don’t think Cap Thor and iron man will all go at once but I think we will see a mix of some different characters taking old mantles some characters retiring for good and some staying on. |
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Post by atp on Apr 12, 2019 15:31:28 GMT -5
MoS is almost 6 years old, yet nobody has apologised for the bullying and personal attacks.
It's very disapointing.
At least the failure of Justice League, and Cavill's end as Superman, have proved the bullies wrong. But it would be the decent thing to do for them to apologise.
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Post by Metallo on Apr 12, 2019 17:01:09 GMT -5
I will say this: I don’t think anyone can deny that the Snyder experiment was a business failure. A lot of people liked it but it didn’t work out the way all involved hoped.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Apr 14, 2019 15:01:42 GMT -5
MoS is almost 6 years old, yet nobody has apologised for the bullying and personal attacks. It's very disapointing. At least the failure of Justice League, and Cavill's end as Superman, have proved the bullies wrong. But it would be the decent thing to do for them to apologise. Art is subjective--- but I've never had a problem with people disagreeing on things, but the manner in which things are disagreed on. Some of my closest friends disagree GIANTLY on films and books- but we're able to disagree without it ever getting to a point of being personal. There's a general feeling of respecting the other person's views, and being open to having the other person build why he/she thinks that way. With some of my most interesting interactiosn with friends, I still might not agree with something, but the friend might have cracked open a different way of looking at something... which I appreciate, and hopefully they feel the same way when I state my view on something. As far as apologizing goes, I know it's difficult in general for anyone to apologize..... few people I know are that secure or capable of it, even when he/she knows they're worng. Not proud of it, but I also catch myself being unable to apologize in certain circumstances even when I know I'm dead wrong.... so, what can I say? Doesn't excuse it, but... |
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