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Post by Metallo on Nov 10, 2019 17:41:19 GMT -5
Hahaha. Spoken like a true fanboy! 😆 I’ve mellowed to this stuff in my old age. Too concerned about having a massive stroke to get so worked up. But seriously this casting fascinated me. They’re trying some different stuff which I’m fine with. It’s been done so much you have to change it up a little. The rumors now are Andy Serkis as Alfred and Colin Farrell as Penguin. Those are some interesting choices imo.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Nov 12, 2019 2:21:00 GMT -5
Hahaha. Spoken like a true fanboy! 😆 I’ve mellowed to this stuff in my old age. Too concerned about having a massive stroke to get so worked up. But seriously this casting fascinated me. They’re trying some different stuff which I’m fine with. It’s been done so much you have to change it up a little. The rumors now are Andy Serkis as Alfred and Colin Farrell as Penguin. Those are some interesting choices imo. I think my issue stems from hoping hoping hoping as a kid that ONE DAY Hollywood would be able to see how special and awesome some of these comic book characters and storylines could be on screen, if they had faith in then. Batman as a series would have been a fantastic 5-6 movie series I think, just based on the complexity of their villains and Bat's relationship with them. Nolan/s Batman and Raimi's Spiderman series got 2/3rds right in my book.... TDK especially, which was funny, because Batman was used JUST right- and he wasn't in 50 percent of the picture! I felt like Nolan could have done a number of other movies for the slow buildup--- sort of like the best of what Star Wars had. (Though of course they're a whole other thread) A better example might be Jackson's LOTR movies. With something like Peter Jackson's LOTR movie series (espeically the extended versions)- I felt like: "Ok, the ultimate versions have been done. You can do whatever you want with them, now."--- But that hasn't ever really been done for Superman fully- Nor Batman. And so on. And that goes for much of my 'opposition' to choices of stuff not done right (The Dark Phoenix story, many SUperman films) to not at all (the Male Captain Marvel by Starlin )- because it's taken what feels like an eternity to have even something like Superman the movie to get made 'right'.... and now, with Pattinson as Batman and Wright as Gordon..... why contintually change things up just because you can? So, yah.... If i felt like the best adaptations were made of the best the comic titles had to offer, I'd feel better. Marvel kind of did so with Captain America. Marvel sort of went better with Iron Man (though I was never a big fan of the comic) Marvel suprisingly seems to REALLY know how to milk Vision (of all characters) for its worth, if the Wanda/Vision series is what I think- Anyhow... I ramble. Wright might have been interesting as Bruce Wayne as an alternate universe Batman that I would have seen. But as 'new' Gordon it feels like a gimmick above all right now. |
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Post by Metallo on Nov 12, 2019 11:22:40 GMT -5
I think we are finally starting to see it. Look at the care and quality some of these characters and stories are being treated with now compared to even ten years ago much less when we were kids. There were no truly expansive shared superhero universe then. Now we’ve seen several of them on the big and small screen. I never thought I’d see a live action version of Crisis on Infinite Earths or Days of Future Past or Infinity Gauntlet much less them being done well. Sure we’ve got some holdovers from that old way of thinking that gave us crappy version of Dark Phoenix Saga or Death of Superman but as fans were living in a golden age. There’s a Doom Patrol tv show. One that’s actually pretty good! Can you believe it?
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Nov 13, 2019 2:32:46 GMT -5
I think we are finally starting to see it. Look at the care and quality some of these characters and stories are being treated with now compared to even ten years ago much less when we were kids. There were no truly expansive shared superhero universe then. Now we’ve seen several of them on the big and small screen. I never thought I’d see a live action version of Crisis on Infinite Earths or Days of Future Past or Infinity Gauntlet much less them being done well. Sure we’ve got some holdovers from that old way of thinking that gave us crappy version of Dark Phoenix Saga or Death of Superman but as fans were living in a golden age. There’s a Doom Patrol tv show. One that’s actually pretty good! Can you believe it? True true true... There's a LOT of magical bits of comic book magic on the big and small screen that are making my head explode from them even existing.... but one can't help but wish that in the terms of numbers of greenlit tv shows and movies that they were a LITTLE better overall. |
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Post by Metallo on Nov 13, 2019 20:23:57 GMT -5
Oh sure. They could always be better and they aren’t nearly as good as I wish they could be but I’d argue that what we’ve gotten over the last 6 or 7 years is not only the best it’s been as far as quantity but it’s the best we’ve ever had as far as quality as well. There’s never been a truly outstanding superhero tv show that sits among the best shows in the history of television but I also think the best of what we’ve seen over the last 7 years beats any comic book/superhero show produced in the 60 years before that. It’s also great to see them taking chances on the types of shows they have. Preacher? Watchmen? Legion? There’s a lot of variety out there as well.
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Post by Metallo on Nov 13, 2019 20:30:34 GMT -5
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Nov 14, 2019 0:14:58 GMT -5
I'm going to laugh my arse off if Alfred ends up being yet another Andy Serkis mo-cap performance. (And yet, part of me feels like it might be worth the money just to see how absurd that would be.)  |
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Post by Metallo on Nov 14, 2019 9:18:32 GMT -5
If they ever do a cgi Batman film for the big screen that’s actually a great idea. But I like this casting. Serkis is pretty underrated as a live action actor. I loved him as Klau in the MCU and wish he hadn’t been killed off. I’m curious to see what he can do with this.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Nov 15, 2019 1:31:15 GMT -5
If they ever do a cgi Batman film for the big screen that’s actually a great idea. But I like this casting. Serkis is pretty underrated as a live action actor. I loved him as Klau in the MCU and wish he hadn’t been killed off. I’m curious to see what he can do with this. I still feel that WB/DC would have been better off just rehiring Bale & Caine & ignoring that TDKR even existed.... |
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Post by Metallo on Nov 18, 2019 11:14:17 GMT -5
Looks like Joker passed the billon dollar mark this weekend. It even did it without China which is incredible. Never would have though. Makes BvS’s reception look even worse.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Nov 18, 2019 20:26:02 GMT -5
Looks like Joker passed the billon dollar mark this weekend. It even did it without China which is incredible. Never would have though. Makes BvS’s reception look even worse. I'm annoyed at how random these billion dollar movies seem to be--- I hear good things about "Joker", but "Aquaman" also made a billion.... and the very good Terminator sequel got... NOTHING. Of course, Hollywood will always learn the wrong lessons from this, methinks... |
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Post by Metallo on Nov 18, 2019 21:02:51 GMT -5
You’re right Hollywood will learn the wrong lesson from this. The same way they learned the wrong lessons from Dark Knight. Thing is... I don’t think all of them making a billion dollars are that random. Unexpected maybe but when you look at some of them it makes sense. Joker tapped into peoples curiosity after controversy and Aquaman cleaned up overseas based on the sheer visual spectacle of a fictional world we’ve never really seen before. It’s not a good movie but I can’t deny the underwater stuff was fun.
As for Dark Fate it was a referendum on the disappointment over the three previous Terminator films. Even if it was good people never gave it a chance. Based on the the marketing material it just looked like a rehash of the last 5 movies. The franchise was run into the ground and people just didn’t care.
The same thing happened with Transformers. Bumblebee was good but people gave up with The Last Knight. It almost happened with X-men. The audience kept giving crappy movies like Origins and Last Stand a chance but by the time a good one like First Class came around they said “no more for us.” Happened again with the DCEU. People went to go see MOS, BvS, and SS, but by the time JL came out with that same gloomy aesthetic in the trailers people stopped caring. Wonder Woman was the outlier because it was the first ever Wonder Woman movie and pumped some actual color into the trailers.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Nov 18, 2019 23:14:13 GMT -5
You’re right Hollywood will learn the wrong lesson from this. The same way they learned the wrong lessons from Dark Knight. Thing is... I don’t think all of them making a billion dollars are that random. Unexpected maybe but when you look at some of them it makes sense. Joker tapped into peoples curiosity after controversy and Aquaman cleaned up overseas based on the sheer visual spectacle of a fictional world we’ve never really seen before. It’s not a good movie but I can’t deny the underwater stuff was fun. As for Dark Fate it was a referendum on the disappointment over the three previous Terminator films. Even if it was good people never gave it a chance. Based on the the marketing material it just looked like a rehash of the last 5 movies. The franchise was run into the ground and people just didn’t care. The same thing happened with Transformers. Bumblebee was good but people gave up with The Last Knight. It almost happened with X-men. The audience kept giving crappy movies like Origins and Last Stand a chance but by the time a good one like First Class came around they said “no more for us.” Happened again with the DCEU. People went to go see MOS, BvS, and SS, but by the time JL came out with that same gloomy aesthetic in the trailers people stopped caring. Wonder Woman was the outlier because it was the first ever Wonder Woman movie and pumped some actual color into the trailers. I agree on Dark Fate & Bumblebee.... both came so late in the game after mostly crappy sequels that it has to be the main reason.... but the marketing also didn't help at all. |
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Post by Metallo on Dec 8, 2019 17:18:43 GMT -5
I see she’s ALSO got a Kingdom come inspired look. The armor is very similar to one she wore in that story. Seems like someone in DC LOVES kingdom come lately. It’s an ok trailer. Definitely done in a retro 80s style. Wonder if the movie will be like that? Either way if looks a lot cheesier and fun then the first movie. Not overly impressed but didn’t hate it either. Hope the bad guy is actually interesting this time.
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Post by booshman on Dec 8, 2019 20:03:47 GMT -5
Ah, so nobody knows who Wonder Woman is because she takes out cameras with a baterang like headband. Er OK.
Not really bothered either way for this one. I was excited to see Ragnorok and it was pretty disappointing, though most people seemed to love it. This looks to have a similar vibe.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Dec 11, 2019 5:06:57 GMT -5
Ah, so nobody knows who Wonder Woman is because she takes out cameras with a baterang like headband. Er OK. Not really bothered either way for this one. I was excited to see Ragnorok and it was pretty disappointing, though most people seemed to love it. This looks to have a similar vibe. Yeah... I hear you... but I can't blame the writer/director if they feel constrained to 'fit the continuity' of BvS and Justice League movies.... and have it still be that she didn't 'resurface' until the 2000s... But- that being the case- why not just do a present day WW movie? Why does it need to be in the 1980s??? (but I guess the movie should reveal that)-- Anyhow- I'm of the feeling that Wonder Woman doesn't /didn't really ever have a good storyline that I was interested in, in the comics- outside of the time she lost her powers & learned martial arts- I read some of those, but the idea sounded intriguing... and I'd check out the George Perez WW and some drawn by Gene Colan--- but overall, never was grabbed by any storyline beyond an interesting origin and her being part of the future-set "Kingdom Come" stories--- So- I guess they're going for the love story as the main focus again- but if they're planning on killing off Steve again at the end (or have him disappear) that'll feel pretty cheesy. In any case- I've always been wary about a sequel--- hopefully it's good, but if it's not, at least the first origin movie was decent (at least the first half). As far as Thor 3 goes--- I think with the first two films 'demanding' that it be a rather weak romantic comedy type film(s).... I didn't really laugh, found a lot of the romance with Natalie Portman/ Thor unfunny and false--- so when Ragnarok was actually pretty funny, had better action, and had no Portman- (who is great in other things )- I really enjoyed it, given what had preceded it. I was originally hoping that the Thor movies would be like Lord of the Rings, but given that's not where they wanted to go- if it had to be comedy, 3 made me laugh at least and had the best action of the three films imo. If WW is similar to Thor 3- it might be okay--- but that's more of me scratching my head as to what storyline would be interesting for a Wonder Woman movie to adapt. Beyond the origin, I'd be wondering what needs telling. Hoping it's good, but I'm mostly shrugging either way. |
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Post by Metallo on Dec 11, 2019 9:31:23 GMT -5
People seem to be loving this trailer but I’m not really feeling it. Patty Jenkins isn’t really known for this style while Thor Ragnorok was VERY much a Taika Waititi film. I really need to see more to be swayed either way. You’re definitely right when you say a big problem is trying to be a sort of reset or soft reboot while fitting what we know from the Snyder films, CAM. BVS and JL were pretty clear that Wonder Woman had retreated from the world of man and didn’t get involved again until Doomsday showed up. So what the heII is she doing in WW84? Seems to be pretty public and getting involved in major affairs.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Dec 11, 2019 12:47:26 GMT -5
People seem to be loving this trailer but I’m not really feeling it. Patty Jenkins isn’t really known for this style while Thor Ragnorok was VERY much a Taika Waititi film. I really need to see more to be swayed either way. You’re definitely right when you say a big problem is trying to be a sort of reset or soft reboot while fitting what we know from the Snyder films, CAM. BVS and JL were pretty clear that Wonder Woman had retreated from the world of man and didn’t get involved again until Doomsday showed up. So what the heII is she doing in WW84? Seems to be pretty public and getting involved in major affairs. Right- with Wonder Woman's world also somewhat magical involving Gods, I assume magic plays a big part in Steve Trevor's return.... but a lot of the questions I have point to- 'why 1984'? As far as lack of a big 'mano y mano' fight in the trailer- I wonder if Jenkins read all the negative press on the last act of the first WW where the CGI battle just felt lifeless and decided not to go there? For sure, WW 2 won't be using the Marvel formula of using great supporting characters from other movies and build up a big crossover. WB really kind of blew that opportunity. |
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Post by Metallo on Dec 11, 2019 13:10:34 GMT -5
I think 1984 is the setting for thematic reasons. It was the decade of excess so when Steve Trevor comes back there will be one heck of a culture shock and they’ll have the most fun with the fish out of water elements. The fashion was crazy as was the entertainment. They want it to appeal the same way Star Trek IV worked.
It was also a time of tremendous change culturally and technologically. It was also a dark period socially. The rise of AIDS, a few years after Vietnam, the rise of the war on drugs. Crack in the inner cities and a whole generation lost. While the other stuff might be fun we can also see the horror through Steve Trevor’s eyes. I don’t think the film will be particularly dark but much like the first film commented a little on the horrors of the first World War I think this one will do the same with the 80s. I think Lords ability to give people what they want will tie into that in a major way as will Steve Trevor’s seeming resurrection.
It was the ME decade, the vanity decade, and the earliest example of people wanting instant gratification. I think Wonder Woman’s selflessness, love, and compassion will be highlighted as a stark contrast to and used antidote for such an excessive greedy cynical period in American history.
Finally 1984 is a clear call back to the novel 1984 and big brother watching us. If Maxwell Lord is using brother eye in the story it can play off the novel 1984 in some very interesting ways. It really is watching.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Dec 11, 2019 13:15:21 GMT -5
I think 1984 is the setting for thematic reasons. It was the decade of excess so when Steve Trevor comes back there will be one heck of a culture shock and they’ll have the most fun with the fish out of water elements. The fashion was crazy as was the entertainment. They want it to appeal the same way Star Trek IV worked. It was also a time of tremendous change culturally and technologically. It was also a dark period socially. The rise of AIDS, a few years after Vietnam, the rise of the war on drugs. Crack in the inner cities and a whole generation lost. While the other stuff might be fun we can also see the horror through Steve Trevor’s eyes. I don’t think the film will be particularly dark but much like the first film commented a little on the horrors of the first World War I think this one will do the same with the 80s. I think Lords ability to give people what they want will tie into that in a major way as will Steve Trevor’s seeming resurrection. It was the ME decade, the vanity decade, and the earliest example of people wanting instant gratification. I think Wonder Woman’s selflessness, love, and compassion will be highlighted as a stark contrast to and used antidote for such an excessive greedy cynical period in American history. Finally 1984 is a clear call back to the novel 1984 and big brother watching us. If Maxwell Lord is using brother eye in the story it can play off the novel 1984 in some very interesting ways. It really is watching. The trailer definitely has fun with that era with the music, editing & fx- Jenkins probably got free rein after WW was a giant hit- and she also got more time to polish. I'm guessing that people are getting excited because it looks like a different type of offering than Marvel. Just hope it's good. |
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Post by Metallo on Dec 11, 2019 13:20:33 GMT -5
Which is odd to me because this looks closer to a Marvel film than the first Wonder Woman did. I think we have to take Jenkins age into account too. Her formative years probably were in the 80s. She was at that age when she first began to consider the world around her. And not only that but 1984 was a pretty important year across the board. It’s probably more appealing to her to explore that decade because of that.
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Post by Metallo on Jan 9, 2020 12:55:20 GMT -5
Still don’t know what to think about this. It’s the best trailer yet it still feels like it’s pulling in two directions trying to keep what worked with Suicide Squad and tossing what didn’t.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jan 9, 2020 13:01:17 GMT -5
I'll probably catch it (like the JOker) on dvd or Netflix... most likely Netflix.
The character was fun as a supporting character. In the trailer- at just two minutes, she got on my nerves.
Also.... no costumes for the Birds of Prey?
Unless it's as good as Singer's X-men, then I usually am fine without costumes. Otherwise, it's taking away a great appeal of a live action adaptation.
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Post by Metallo on Feb 13, 2020 20:24:13 GMT -5
Apparently it’s test footage released by Matt Reeves. Certainly different from the other movie batsuits. I’m reminded a bit of the mechanical less organic look of Dark Knight and Batman Returns suits. More than anything the armor looks very Arkham game inspired but the cowl looks more like leather or similar to something like Gotham by gaslight. The collar reminds me of some of the anime designs.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Feb 14, 2020 16:04:57 GMT -5
Apparently it’s test footage released by Matt Reeves. Certainly different from the other movie batsuits. I’m reminded a bit of the mechanical less organic look of Dark Knight and Batman Returns suits. More than anything the armor looks very Arkham game inspired but the cowl looks more like leather or similar to something like Gotham by gaslight. The collar reminds me of some of the anime designs. Mixed feeling on this 'new' version.... Why not use these resources for other DC properties that haven't been done instead of multiverse versions of Batman? I think I'll have to constantly go back to the first two Nolan Batman films and parts of the other appearances for my real 'Batman" fix when I need it... I don't mind something new, but it's harder to keep embracing so many reboots... |
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