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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 20, 2018 15:17:48 GMT -5
Sorbos career hasn’t exactly been on fire since then but to be fair how many of the guys like him have still stayed on that level. Lucy Lawless has had a better career than all of those guys and I think it’s because she made better choices and did all kinds of different stuff. She also didn’t hold out for always being the lead. It rarely goes well when actors think they have all the answers creatively. Unless the show is really messed up sometimes ya gotta let the writers do their jobs. Saw a couple of interviews with Sorbo which made me less and less impressed with him, despite him being pretty good casting as the captain in that show. Unless you're Alan Alda, or an exceptional writer as well- I agree- it rarely goes well when the actors try to be everything. (Hi Star Trek V!) |
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Post by Metallo on May 20, 2018 15:28:30 GMT -5
He and Cain have a lot in common let’s just say. Cains smart enough to be likeable and friendly so that he doesn’t burn all those hollywood bridges.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 20, 2018 15:33:31 GMT -5
He and Cain have a lot in common let’s just say. Cains smart enough to be likeable and friendly so that he doesn’t burn all those hollywood bridges. Well, I think Sorbo came off as someone who didn't mind bullying people when he didn't get his way. Cain came in from the start wanting to be a screenwriter not just an actor, which I don't hear often enough. |
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Post by Metallo on May 21, 2018 18:53:56 GMT -5
How do you mean (on Sorbo). I’ve read some stories on the set of herclules but nothing really specific.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 21, 2018 22:15:45 GMT -5
How do you mean (on Sorbo). I’ve read some stories on the set of herclules but nothing really specific. There were rough rumors on him pushing the developer/creator of Andromeda out- and I don't know how much of the series you've watched, but it was intended to be an ensemble- but even creatively speaking, it does look like he pulled a Shatner on the show- & more recently he has a thing for supporting Nazis apparently. (sigh) |
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Post by Metallo on May 22, 2018 12:25:18 GMT -5
I thought you meant about him being an all around @sshole. There were rumors of that back when Hercules was on and he pretty much added to it a few years ago with some pretty controversial comments.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 22, 2018 14:54:19 GMT -5
I thought you meant about him being an all around @sshole. There were rumors of that back when Hercules was on and he pretty much added to it a few years ago with some pretty controversial comments. I wouldn't be suprised... but oddly, I did think he was great casting in the first two seasons, when he went with the showrunner's plans initially. |
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Post by Metallo on May 22, 2018 21:03:12 GMT -5
He fit the Roddenberry ideal of the man of action lead hero. He’d cast John Saxon and Alex Cord in two shows and Robert Foxworth in Questor tapes. Majel Barrett basically reworked the same Dylan Hunt character from Genesis II and Planet earth into the Dylan Hunt from Andromeda.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 23, 2018 0:23:36 GMT -5
He fit the Roddenberry ideal of the man of action lead hero. He’d cast John Saxon and Alex Cord in two shows and Robert Foxworth in Questor tapes. Majel Barrett basically reworked the same Dylan Hunt character from Genesis II and Planet earth into the Dylan Hunt from Andromeda. As an aside: I thought the Andromeda pilot held so much promise, I totally wouldn't mind if Paramount wanted to do a big budget reboot of that- with the right writer and director, of course. |
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Post by Metallo on May 23, 2018 7:02:38 GMT -5
I wonder if he knew a guy named Dylan Hunt (the same same way he knew a Noonian Singh)? He seems to be obsessed with reworking that concept. Or maybe he was creatively tapped out. Roddenberry seems to rehash a lot of his old stuff.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 23, 2018 12:59:48 GMT -5
I wonder if he knew a guy named Dylan Hunt (the same same way he knew a Noonian Singh)? He seems to be obsessed with reworking that concept. Or maybe he was creatively tapped out. Roddenberry seems to rehash a lot of his old stuff. I wonder how much there was for Robert Wolfe to work with from Roddenberry's notes to begin with. As far as rehashing himself, I did notice a number of similiarities on the backstory between Ryker on TNG's pilot and the Commander In STTMP... it is interesting (and sometimes irritating) when you see a creator recycle his old ideas. |
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Post by Metallo on May 23, 2018 13:29:48 GMT -5
Probably not a ton of material but a little from that and other unproduced projects. andromeda is a loose reworking of Genesis II and Planet Earth.
A lot of stuff from Star Trek Phase II made its way into Star Trek the motion picture and TNG. Decker and Ilia are very similar to Riker and Troi. Even the names sound similar. The TNG episode The Child was based on an unproduced Phase II script.
Writers do that stuff a lot. It really gets to be a problem if they do it constantly.
The first Conan story was basically a reworking of a Kull story wasn’t it?
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 23, 2018 13:47:54 GMT -5
Probably not a ton of material but a little from that and other unproduced projects. andromeda is a loose reworking of Genesis II and Planet Earth. A lot of stuff from Star Trek Phase II made its way into Star Trek the motion picture and TNG. Decker and Ilia are very similar to Riker and Troi. Even the names sound similar. The TNG episode The Child was based on an unproduced Phase II script. Writers do that stuff a lot. It really gets to be a problem if they do it constantly. The first Conan story was basically a reworking of a Kull story wasn’t it? I haven't read that much Conan and Kill material to be able to tell- I'll have to check out Genesis II and Planet Earth- worth watching btw? |
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Post by Metallo on May 23, 2018 13:54:15 GMT -5
I thought planet earth was the better of the two. It’s basically a sequel to Genesis II. Think the same situation with The Cage and Where No Man Has Gone Before. Much like the two Star Trek pilots there was some recasting with Saxon taking the lead in Planet Earth.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 23, 2018 13:57:23 GMT -5
I thought planet earth was the better of the two. It’s basically a sequel to Genesis II. Think the same situation with The Cage and Where No Man Has Gone Before. Much like the two Star Trek pilots there was some recasting with Saxon taking the lead in Planet Earth. What did you think of Andromeda btw? (At least in seasons 1 and 2)? |
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Post by Metallo on May 23, 2018 14:20:58 GMT -5
I liked it when it was on. There was a sort of Roddenberry renaissance back then. I watched Andromeda and Earth Final Conflict. I’d also liked Sorbos work on Hercules so that was twice the reasons for me to check it out. I liked the show early on but didn’t care for the changes made later on.
This was just before space sci fi on tv sort of switched gears with BSG so there were quite a few quirky sci fi shows on at the time. They weren’t greatly written but they were fun. Now it seems like we don’t have either.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 23, 2018 18:54:25 GMT -5
I liked it when it was on. There was a sort of Roddenberry renaissance back then. I watched Andromeda and Earth Final Conflict. I’d also liked Sorbos work on Hercules so that was twice the reasons for me to check it out. I liked the show early on but didn’t care for the changes made later on. This was just before space sci fi on tv sort of switched gears with BSG so there were quite a few quirky sci fi shows on at the time. They weren’t greatly written but they were fun. Now it seems like we don’t have either. I might check out Final Conflict- but, (as you can probably tell), I was REALLY pumped when I found out it was a DS9 writer as show runner for Andromeda from the get go. The outline that Robert Hewitt Wolfe provided after the show cancelled confirmed for me that it was going to be something fresh and potentially just as good as what DS9 gave us. |
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Post by Metallo on May 23, 2018 20:18:29 GMT -5
Earth final conflict much like Andromeda went through some changes but it’s worth a look. Bringing back lots of memories of that time and all those shows I enjoyed watching back then. Outside of the superhero stuff I really don’t watch anything that could be considered sci fi on tv. I’ve never cared for most of SyFys shows but that seems to be the only network that gives anything sci-fi a chance. I think the last show on there I really had any interest in was Eureka.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 23, 2018 22:07:38 GMT -5
Earth final conflict much like Andromeda went through some changes but it’s worth a look. Bringing back lots of memories of that time and all those shows I enjoyed watching back then. Outside of the superhero stuff I really don’t watch anything that could be considered sci fi on tv. I’ve never cared for most of SyFys shows but that seems to be the only network that gives anything sci-fi a chance. I think the last show on there I really had any interest in was Eureka. I don't know- while it's not a lot, there have been other networks that give it a shot I think even now: Game of Thrones of course on HBO & Lost in Space & Stranger Things on Netflix. Black Mirror, Altered Carbon.... I got annoyed with SyFy once they decided they didn't want to be fully associated with Science Fiction and changed it from being the SciFi channel. ;p But- I have heard good things about "The Expanse". |
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Post by Metallo on May 23, 2018 22:15:36 GMT -5
So have I. Other shows I’ve wanted to watch but just haven’t bothered or don’t have the time. I’m finally finishing the last few episodes of The Gifted. I did watch the X-Files season 11 but wasn’t very impressed.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 23, 2018 22:34:24 GMT -5
So have I. Other shows I’ve wanted to watch but just haven’t bothered or don’t have the time. I’m finally finishing the last few episodes of The Gifted. I did watch the X-Files season 11 but wasn’t very impressed. I haven't heard about anyone being wowed by Xfiles' revival. And I'm in the same camp as you- there's just too much to see, too little time. |
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Post by Metallo on May 23, 2018 22:41:36 GMT -5
Mulder and scully just seem old tired and uninterested and while Chris Carter has never been a good writer he seems so much worse and just completely tapped out creatively. Looks like this season really is the end this time but it was so lazy and uninspired that I’m actually relieved.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 23, 2018 23:19:58 GMT -5
Mulder and scully just seem old tired and uninterested and while Chris Carter has never been a good writer he seems so much worse and just completely tapped out creatively. Looks like this season really is the end this time but it was so lazy and uninspired that I’m actually relieved. That's sad to hear. I watched the movie, but when it was a big nothing at the end, I felt that this was probably a show of all build up and no pay off as well.  |
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Post by Metallo on May 24, 2018 6:16:03 GMT -5
You mean the first movie or the second movie? I thought the first movie was ok but the problem was that while it was a decent experience on its own you had to know the shows mythology and have watched the first five seasons or so to really apreciate it. I felt like the show started to decline after the first movie.
Second movie tried to be stand alone but just felt like a long episode of the tv show and not even a good one. It was a massive bomb. I was literally the only person in the room when I went to a theater to see if. I moved around from seat to seat. They’ve tried to revive X-files a few times but it never has that magic that the show had in the 90s.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 24, 2018 13:29:12 GMT -5
You mean the first movie or the second movie? I thought the first movie was ok but the problem was that while it was a decent experience on its own you had to know the shows mythology and have watched the first five seasons or so to really apreciate it. I felt like the show started to decline after the first movie. Second movie tried to be stand alone but just felt like a long episode of the tv show and not even a good one. It was a massive bomb. I was literally the only person in the room when I went to a theater to see if. I moved around from seat to seat. They’ve tried to revive X-files a few times but it never has that magic that the show had in the 90s. LOL! I didn't even know a second movie came out! I was aware how big the original X-files was at the time, but never watched a full episode. I got the basic premise though- and that people were excited to know what the answers to the mystery was. But it sounds more and more like Twin Peaks, only with never finding out who killed Laura Palmer. |
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