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Post by Metallo on May 24, 2018 13:42:05 GMT -5
You’re not the only one who didn’t know a second movie had come out. No one went out to see it.
X-Files started strong and really helped lay the groundwork for so much of today’s serialized tv because it was so successful. I think the showrunners had no real idea where it was going to end up. They had the mythology but no way to end it planned. You could tell that at a certain point they were making up everything as they went along instead of some kind of plan. It became even more true with the second movie and the revival seasons these last couple of years.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 24, 2018 14:17:35 GMT -5
You’re not the only one who didn’t know a second movie had come out. No one went out to see it. X-Files started strong and really helped lay the groundwork for so much of today’s serialized tv because it was so successful. I think the showrunners had no real idea where it was going to end up. They had the mythology but no way to end it planned. You could tell that at a certain point they were making up everything as they went along instead of some kind of plan. It became even more true with the second movie and the revival seasons these last couple of years. That's why I think Joss Whedon's Buffy and Angel series were pretty successful creatively (though the first two seasons of Angel stumbled and had to find its footing)... for the most part, it wouldn't 'leave anything on the table' by the end of a season. Most of the time, it knew where it was going and stayed on course. Whedon himself has said that the way he crafts scripts is knowing the ultimate destination first. To me, I have mixed feelings on Ron Moore's Battlestar. While it was compelling tv- I did not like how it ended up, and I think that was a result of not really having a solid plan for the ending. He was asked, and answered blatantly that they just thought it was a good tag that the Cylons 'had a plan'- but Moore & company didn't know what it was until they wrote one later on. Moore wanted to keep things looser from (probably) feeling too stifled by Star Trek's rules. |
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Post by Metallo on May 24, 2018 20:16:51 GMT -5
Yeah I agree. Their first season was brilliant. So many other shows copied it later. I felt like the later seasons and the finale didn’t quite live up to expectations. It wasn’t a clusterf*ck like Losts end or controversial like Dexters end but to me it was a little underwhelming. I wonder if Moore had to make some changes or wasn’t sure how to end it exactly for a while?
Either way I think BSG and Firefly were two of the best sci fi space action drama shows of the 2000s.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 25, 2018 11:54:18 GMT -5
Yeah I agree. Their first season was brilliant. So many other shows copied it later. I felt like the later seasons and the finale didn’t quite live up to expectations. It wasn’t a clusterf*ck like Losts end or controversial like Dexters end but to me it was a little underwhelming. I wonder if Moore had to make some changes or wasn’t sure how to end it exactly for a while? Either way I think BSG and Firefly were two of the best sci fi space action drama shows of the 2000s. Moore seemed like he really got lost along the way, even if overall it still was great television. He had several things that he was going to continue on, but that he derailed himself on. (Boxey was originally a bigger part, and the 'five' were not originally Cylons at all.) BSG is an interesting exercise of 'how good can this be, if we make Sh*t up as we go"- but I wonder if things would have been better if Syfy contracted Moore and the cast for a specific five years up front- but of course, I could see where financially nobody would ever do that kind of risk. (Right now, Dennis Villaneuva wanted to shoot his two "Dune" movies back to back but financially the producers said there was no way to afford it similarly). |
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Post by Metallo on May 25, 2018 12:16:02 GMT -5
I do think the cylons are where things went sideways. I know he changed plans for them and who would be one. I think you’ve got to follow your gut on things like that instead of second guessing. I felt the big reveals of who was and wasn’t overshadowed the basic story they were trying to tell. Things got pretty convoluted and that’s why we got stuff like The Plan and The Story So Far because people got lost.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 25, 2018 12:24:58 GMT -5
I do think the cylons are where things went sideways. I know he changed plans for them and who would be one. I think you’ve got to follow your gut on things like that instead of second guessing. I felt the big reveals of who was and wasn’t overshadowed the basic story they were trying to tell. Things got pretty convoluted and that’s why we got stuff like The Plan and The Story So Far because people got lost. Two plans that went awry financially according to Moore: #1: the idea of different kinds of stories by going ship to ship. What sounded good in their heads apparently surprised them when they did the 'prison ship' episode and almost broke the bank. #2: early on: More CGI Cylons. A decision had to be made early on to make Cylons human-looking for the majority of it. It's too bad. I was thinking it was like the shark in Jaws, where the threat was always there but you didn't have to SEE them the majority of the time. I am curious what Singer still might do with a movie version of it- if WB is willing to have a tv Superman and a movie Superman, I guess it's all down to what Universal wants and if Singer is allowed back in Hollywood right now=== plus his interest. According to Richard Hatch when asked a couple of years back, he said one problem was that Singer kept on changing his mind on things--- but with seeing the behind the scenes with Ridley Scott, it seems like things fall apart all the time even when a director commits to it, so maybe you can't blame a director for committing to multiple things all the time. |
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Post by Metallo on May 25, 2018 12:30:51 GMT -5
I do think the cylons are where things went sideways. I know he changed plans for them and who would be one. I think you’ve got to follow your gut on things like that instead of second guessing. I felt the big reveals of who was and wasn’t overshadowed the basic story they were trying to tell. Things got pretty convoluted and that’s why we got stuff like The Plan and The Story So Far because people got lost. Two plans that went awry financially according to Moore: #1: the idea of different kinds of stories by going ship to ship. What sounded good in their heads apparently surprised them when they did the 'prison ship' episode and almost broke the bank. #2: early on: More CGI Cylons. A decision had to be made early on to make Cylons human-looking for the majority of it. It's too bad. I was thinking it was like the shark in Jaws, where the threat was always there but you didn't have to SEE them the majority of the time. I am curious what Singer still might do with a movie version of it- if WB is willing to have a tv Superman and a movie Superman, I guess it's all down to what Universal wants and if Singer is allowed back in Hollywood right now=== plus his interest. According to Richard Hatch when asked a couple of years back, he said one problem was that Singer kept on changing his mind on things--- but with seeing the behind the scenes with Ridley Scott, it seems like things fall apart all the time even when a director commits to it, so maybe you can't blame a director for committing to multiple things all the time. So basically they ran into the same problems most shows on syfy run into. Krypton is having the same problems despite not being nearly as good. I liked the human Cylons and the idea of infiltrators but I wanted both. Like you said maybe not showing them as much could have been the answer to that. The first cgi cylons I saw on the show did look pretty dodgy. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 25, 2018 19:19:10 GMT -5
Two plans that went awry financially according to Moore: #1: the idea of different kinds of stories by going ship to ship. What sounded good in their heads apparently surprised them when they did the 'prison ship' episode and almost broke the bank. #2: early on: More CGI Cylons. A decision had to be made early on to make Cylons human-looking for the majority of it. It's too bad. I was thinking it was like the shark in Jaws, where the threat was always there but you didn't have to SEE them the majority of the time. I am curious what Singer still might do with a movie version of it- if WB is willing to have a tv Superman and a movie Superman, I guess it's all down to what Universal wants and if Singer is allowed back in Hollywood right now=== plus his interest. According to Richard Hatch when asked a couple of years back, he said one problem was that Singer kept on changing his mind on things--- but with seeing the behind the scenes with Ridley Scott, it seems like things fall apart all the time even when a director commits to it, so maybe you can't blame a director for committing to multiple things all the time. So basically they ran into the same problems most shows on syfy run into. Krypton is having the same problems despite not being nearly as good. I liked the human Cylons and the idea of infiltrators but I wanted both. Like you said maybe not showing them as much could have been the answer to that. The first cgi cylons I saw on the show did look pretty dodgy. I felt the human Cylons were a big compromise, but since it was so early on, went with it. I think what really got to me later on was the 'five' being Cylons & the somewhat inconsistent detached view of the characters. I enjoy it when I watch it- but I'd much rather pull out an episode of DS9 than Battlestar. I didn't mind the darkness of the show, but I did feel like the directions it went at times had an unclear focus. The miniseries stayed more on-point I felt. |
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Post by Metallo on May 25, 2018 19:54:45 GMT -5
Yeah I liked the miniseries better too. I remember being hesitant because I liked the old show despite its flaws but i felt Moore’s show carried over some of the same ideas while doing its own thing. I actually preferred some things the reboot did especially with Baltar but really did prefer Hatch as Apollo. I think the new show for a little too far from the quest for earth and into the cylons though I did like the questions of them believing in a higher power.
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Post by Metallo on Oct 22, 2018 18:01:24 GMT -5
Bane appearing in Gotham season 5.  I’d like to take this time to apologize to the late Jeep Swenson. This Bane makes that Bane look good. |
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Post by Metallo on Mar 11, 2019 18:54:00 GMT -5
Leaked Gotham batsuit? Possible spoilers. Sure hope this isn’t real.  I see what they were going for (more like dark knights armor plates over a bodysuit) but I think the execution is lacking. Even the Titans batsuit lokked better imo even though it was less Batman-y and we hardly saw it on screen. |
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Post by Metallo on Apr 19, 2019 16:21:50 GMT -5
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Post by Metallo on Apr 22, 2019 19:23:46 GMT -5
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Apr 23, 2019 19:02:23 GMT -5
Hmnnn... I was SO looking forward to this show for the showrunner- but even one season was hard for me to sit through. The series just never felt grounded enough for me to really connect with it- unlike "Gifted" which surprisingly felt pretty 'real word'. Still, I might ending up watching the whole thing one day- the final episode trailer does look interesting.... |
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