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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jan 5, 2021 14:19:08 GMT -5
Great post!
I dont' have a 4k tv (I don't want to upgrade... otherwise I think I'll ruin my Blu ray experience as well if 4k is too good!)
One thing that did bother me with the SII remastering is how the contrast feels overdone- I remember the theatrical being TOO fuzzy (there was a rumor that filters were added to adjust for the aging between the two films but there was also Unsworth's soft focus) - but this seemed like an overcorrection.
In any case.... holding out hope for SII extended. If the STM extended came out of nowhere- MAYBE there's hope...
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Post by booshman on Jan 6, 2021 11:05:45 GMT -5
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jan 6, 2021 15:45:01 GMT -5
It's unfortunate that neither Donner (or even Lester) didn't want to supervise the remastering on any level. It feels like they just treated the theatrical of SII like any other film. But hopefully the masters are being well preserved for any future (better) restoration.
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Post by dejan on Jan 9, 2021 16:50:55 GMT -5
Great post! I dont' have a 4k tv (I don't want to upgrade... otherwise I think I'll ruin my Blu ray experience as well if 4k is too good!) One thing that did bother me with the SII remastering is how the contrast feels overdone- I remember the theatrical being TOO fuzzy (there was a rumor that filters were added to adjust for the aging between the two films but there was also Unsworth's soft focus) - but this seemed like an overcorrection. In any case.... holding out hope for SII extended. If the STM extended came out of nowhere- MAYBE there's hope... hehe...not to worry CAM Blu ray is a wonderful format(if the material is mastered correctly). Booshman correctly emphasizes some of those examples of clipping in the bright peaks of some of those images on the Sup II & III blu ray discs. Being a bit nerdy I had to pull out some of my trusty old 1979,1981 VHSs, 1983 & 1990 laserdiscs for STM and see if there was clipping in those bright areas during the missile chase sequence( the jet trail from the fuel exhaust on the X101 is blown out considerably on all those releases). It's also blown out on the UK 1983 tv premiere telecine....aswell as the 2011 Blu ray. Chances are it was blown out on the 35/70mm prints too.....but that could have differed from print to print. The 4K release is the first time that the viewer can make out the details and contours of the rear end of that X101 missile....and that took 40 years ...lol. |
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Post by dejan on Jan 11, 2021 21:12:16 GMT -5
Here is the original entire episode of Siskel and Ebert for mid december 1978 siskelebert.org/?p=7898There is a review of The King Of The Gypsies.....the film that directly went up against STM(and lost!). Also interesting that Siskel thinks that the Dam busting sequence in Force 10 From Navarone: www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PSZEvsYD6o......is better than the Hoover dam destruction in STM! Ebert's response: "well we can debate that!" |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jan 16, 2021 2:12:58 GMT -5
Great post! I dont' have a 4k tv (I don't want to upgrade... otherwise I think I'll ruin my Blu ray experience as well if 4k is too good!) One thing that did bother me with the SII remastering is how the contrast feels overdone- I remember the theatrical being TOO fuzzy (there was a rumor that filters were added to adjust for the aging between the two films but there was also Unsworth's soft focus) - but this seemed like an overcorrection. In any case.... holding out hope for SII extended. If the STM extended came out of nowhere- MAYBE there's hope... hehe...not to worry CAM Blu ray is a wonderful format(if the material is mastered correctly). Booshman correctly emphasizes some of those examples of clipping in the bright peaks of some of those images on the Sup II & III blu ray discs. Being a bit nerdy I had to pull out some of my trusty old 1979,1981 VHSs, 1983 & 1990 laserdiscs for STM and see if there was clipping in those bright areas during the missile chase sequence( the jet trail from the fuel exhaust on the X101 is blown out considerably on all those releases). It's also blown out on the UK 1983 tv premiere telecine....aswell as the 2011 Blu ray. Chances are it was blown out on the 35/70mm prints too.....but that could have differed from print to print. The 4K release is the first time that the viewer can make out the details and contours of the rear end of that X101 missile....and that took 40 years ...lol. I never got into the lazerdiscs.... but was glad to hear that dvd/blu ray was more or less the equivalent in quality (you can tell how not-very-tech minded I am!). I was willing to dip into buying a machine when it was rumored that the extended SII tv cut was available in an import (I know SIV had a couple of deleted scenes, and Dune had the extended tv version of that movie on import lazerdisc but never found out the truth on whether or not SII had an import lazerdisc with the deleted scenes. Oh well.... |
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Post by dejan on Jan 19, 2021 10:40:30 GMT -5
@cam
To the best of my knowledge none of the laserdiscs that were released ever included any deleted scenes for SII(or any of the other Reeve films).
Laserdiscs were cool for the time period because they effectively created a small cinephile's club.
Wheras the majority of us were stuck with VHS,Betamax or the V2000(only sold in Europe), there were a select few who had those amazing laserdisc players.
I remember seeing my first one in action in 1984(in a rental shop).
They were playing Raiders Of The Lost Ark. And the picture quality was blatantly superior to anything I had ever seen before.....it was the beginning of my awareness with regards to the importance of picture quality with regards to the presentation of a movie(I was 10 at the time).
With the advent of DVDs and in particular Blu Ray and UHDs, those small exclusive cinephile clubs are gone......now everyone is a cinephile!
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jan 19, 2021 11:16:46 GMT -5
@cam To the best of my knowledge none of the laserdiscs that were released ever included any deleted scenes for SII(or any of the other Reeve films). Laserdiscs were cool for the time period because they effectively created a small cinephile's club. Wheras the majority of us were stuck with VHS,Betamax or the V2000(only sold in Europe), there were a select few who had those amazing laserdisc players. I remember seeing my first one in action in 1984(in a rental shop). They were playing Raiders Of The Lost Ark. And the picture quality was blatantly superior to anything I had ever seen before.....it was the beginning of my awareness with regards to the importance of picture quality with regards to the presentation of a movie(I was 10 at the time). With the advent of DVDs and in particular Blu Ray and UHDs, those small exclusive cinephile clubs are gone......now everyone is a cinephile! Superman IV I believe had a few extra deleted scenes 'for sure' as I knew someone who did from an import--- but Superman II was the rumor from a guy who had a lazerdisc store... but the price for him to special order was prohibitive to take a chance if he were to special order it for me at the time. Dune certainly had the tv version, which blew me away.... so that added fuel to the rumor. |
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