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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jul 9, 2015 18:34:02 GMT -5
supes81
You said it better than me--there are indeed 2 different timelines for 2 different narratives.
I think CAM is right to say Lois is more perky in STM-but that does fit with the spontaneity of having just met both Clark and Supes.
When Supes saves Lois in the Eiffel tower there is that quick look up from Lois(just before Supes says "mam I think this is your floor").
That Lois reaction under Lester matches the same spontaneity that you get from Lois in STM.
In fact she is so amazed she forgets about the bomb : "There is a b-b- bomb!!!!"
That moment got a great reaction/laughs when I saw Supes II in 1981(and again in 1982).
So I think Lester got that sense of urgency/spunkiness from Kidder--like when she shoves Loueen("the big one is just as strong as Superman!") out of the way in the Metropolis battle-- when it was needed--but he also managed to pull out those moments of contemplation(as when Lois is staring at the globe showing Australia-wondering if Supes will make it back ).
The big problem with Lois and the perkiness is that Margot just seemed miserable in Lester's II. Not his fault and he does manage to occasionally get that spark out of her. She also seemed ill or at least not in good health. Again Lester manages to get some great performances out of her in moments. The part before she jumps in the water, in the hotel when she tells Superman/Clark she is in love with him, the memory kiss scene. But these are moments, overall that spark isn't there. The rewritten script by Lester's team makes Lois less likeable. In the original Honeymoon Haven scenes, she's much nicer to Clark in the script, even offering him a romantic kiss (that he intentionally messes up).
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Post by supes81 on Jul 10, 2015 8:09:23 GMT -5
True. I do notice Lois is a lot less likeable in Lester's Superman II. In STM she couldn't stop talking, in theatrical II she barely says anything. I will say they didn't do much to make Lois a viable character, even though she was a big part of the story.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jul 10, 2015 18:50:50 GMT -5
True. I do notice Lois is a lot less likeable in Lester's Superman II. In STM she couldn't stop talking, in theatrical II she barely says anything. I will say they didn't do much to make Lois a viable character, even though she was a big part of the story. In the Donner/Mank version: Lois isn't that distraught over Superman not giving her enough attention... and she treats Clark better. In the Lester version: Lois is a bitter woman who feels Superman doesn't give her enough time... and treats Clark poorly (or not that great). Hence, once the 'love story' begins- it's a little awkward, because you're not 100% rooting for Lois, but a little resentful for her behavior...
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Post by crown on Jul 11, 2015 15:55:05 GMT -5
True. I do notice Lois is a lot less likeable in Lester's Superman II. In STM she couldn't stop talking, in theatrical II she barely says anything. I will say they didn't do much to make Lois a viable character, even though she was a big part of the story. Yeah Lester's Lois was basically lobotomized. Complete with a nasty wig made from rat hair and new dental work that would put the Joker to shame. No way Superman would go for her.
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