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Post by crazy_asian_man on Feb 12, 2016 11:11:53 GMT -5
I still can't get around Batfleck as Batman. I'm trying, but...
And--- the Gal Gadot moment in the trailers aren't dazzling me with charisma for WW. She looks great in the actual costume, but otherwise- I'm skeptical still.
On the other hand- visually, it looks fantastic.... but that was never a worry.
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Post by dejan on Feb 12, 2016 13:29:56 GMT -5
Just watched the trailer. Personally I was never a fan of Nolan's Batman fight scenes(except the ones with Bane)....from what little can be seen of batman's chops in this trailer....think I prefer Snyder's fight choreography. BUT(and I said this in a previous post) the problem with the narrative with DOJ is that we have already seen Supes get smashed about by Zod,Faora and co in Man Of Steel. So seeing Batman whoop Supe's in this flick WILL impress stylistically......but emotionally ....we have already seen it before. But I withhold my proper judgment until I have seen the movie. Agree with Metallo that Affleck is impressive with dialogue in some of these trailers....so there is hope.
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Post by riderfan on Feb 13, 2016 16:47:23 GMT -5
Visually it looks great. But I am worried about how Superman will be portrayed. He's hardly in the trailer at all. And in the ones so far, he's always angry. I know that team Snyder is trying to distance themselves from the Reeve-era Superman, but it bugs me that Superman is taking a back seat in what was supposed to be his own sequel to a rebooted Batman only four years after the end of his own succesful trilogy. The first minute of this new trailer is all Batfleck. Superman catches a bullet while angry, shoots heat vision while angry etc. Other than some cool sfx shots, he's hardly the focus of the trailer. I get it. Superman isn't cool to most comic/movie fans for some reason, so they tried to change his persona. But I still believe you have to stay to the true character. Nobody complains about Captain America ......
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Feb 14, 2016 11:56:25 GMT -5
Yeah- Captain America got it PERFECT (except for a non-menacing Red Skull, but, oh well) in terms of adapting a 'boy scout' superhero for the modern age. I think Superman's presence will be little in the BvS film. I have a feeling it's mainly Batfleck's film.
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Post by Metallo on Feb 19, 2016 20:43:28 GMT -5
Ha. Felt the same way about Red Skull. The performance was great but for years I thought that face was ALL cgi when in fact there was an appliance there. It just looked so fake. I think the brightness of the red and the lighting made it look worse. I still can't get around Batfleck as Batman. I'm trying, but... And--- the Gal Gadot moment in the trailers aren't dazzling me with charisma for WW. She looks great in the actual costume, but otherwise- I'm skeptical still. On the other hand- visually, it looks fantastic.... but that was never a worry. I feel the same way about Gadot. Looks good but otherwise seems hollow. But then again we haven't seen much to go on. Then again then again (lol) but hats also worrysome like they're limiting what we see of her acting for reason Affleck I've warmed up to a lot. When I see him sure the first thing I think is it looks like Affleck but I also think what he's don't he looks good and the performance comes off well. Hate the electronically modulated voice but that's Snyder's f up not Afflecks.
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Post by Metallo on Feb 19, 2016 20:56:13 GMT -5
Visually it looks great. But I am worried about how Superman will be portrayed. He's hardly in the trailer at all. And in the ones so far, he's always angry. I know that team Snyder is trying to distance themselves from the Reeve-era Superman, but it bugs me that Superman is taking a back seat in what was supposed to be his own sequel to a rebooted Batman only four years after the end of his own succesful trilogy. The first minute of this new trailer is all Batfleck. Superman catches a bullet while angry, shoots heat vision while angry etc. Other than some cool sfx shots, he's hardly the focus of the trailer. I get it. Superman isn't cool to most comic/movie fans for some reason, so they tried to change his persona. But I still believe you have to stay to the true character. Nobody complains about Captain America ...... I feel you. The biggest issue with these movies is Superman doesn't connect. I don't know if that's on Cavill or Snyder or the writers or some combination of all of them but the character has little in the way of a personality and Cavill had some real trouble emoting. In these new trailers he can shout and look angry and that's about it and even that feels kinda flat. Nobody wants him to copy Christopher Reeve but he needs to do something to round out his performance. It seems like even in the little we've seen Affleck is owning him in terms of performance. I feel like previous actors showed enough personality that they could hold their own. The ideological clash is what's really gonna make this film stick but from what I've seen Cavills not showing much in terms of acting range to make the interaction very interesting. Marvel understands how to make Cap interesting relevant and at the same time faithful to the character in the modern world. You don't change the character you explore how the character fits and how he feels in today's world. Doesn't feel like Marvel have sold Cap of one bit while DC films are a bit embarrassed by Superman and want to make him this stoic brawler loner and nothing else. Steve Rodgers struggles with not selling out who he is or his ideals. That's the conflict. Snyder doesn't get it. Or at least he didn't in MOS. Evans ain't the best actor in the world but he has way more range than Cavill.
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Post by doomsday1 on Feb 21, 2016 10:33:17 GMT -5
Never read so much bollocks in my life. Gadot isn't showing enough charisma from her ONE line? Come on CAM don't be stupid
I don't understand why some of you guys are still keeping up this act of pretending you want that film to be good even though you're already sharpening the knives and getting ready to tear it to shreds. You can't hide it, no matter how you dress it up
Going on what I've seen and what I know so far, I don't think it'll be a good film, and I don't think it'll go across well, so I'm sure you'll be satisfied with the eventual outcome.
The trailers focus on Batman because he's new, we've seen superman already, and batman's the easy way to sell it, common fracking sense. You see Man From Uncle tallo? cavill's a perfectly capable actor and definitely doesn't need advice from a no mark on a message board. Think it's more a case of the writers have a hard on for trying to make superman "badass" and in doing so they've actually made him slightly one dimensional.
And for what it's worth, I find Captain America very dull as much as I liked Winter Soldier
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Post by Metallo on Feb 21, 2016 20:02:20 GMT -5
Never read so much bollocks in my life. Gadot isn't showing enough charisma from her ONE line? Come on CAM don't be stupid I don't understand why some of you guys are still keeping up this act of pretending you want that film to be good even though you're already sharpening the knives and getting ready to tear it to shreds. You can't hide it, no matter how you dress it up Going on what I've seen and what I know so far, I don't think it'll be a good film, and I don't think it'll go across well, so I'm sure you'll be satisfied with the eventual outcome. The trailers focus on Batman because he's new, we've seen superman already, and batman's the easy way to sell it, common fracking sense. You see Man From Uncle tallo? cavill's a perfectly capable actor and definitely doesn't need advice from a no mark on a message board. Think it's more a case of the writers have a hard on for trying to make superman "badass" and in doing so they've actually made him slightly one dimensional. And for what it's worth, I find Captain America very dull as much as I liked Winter Soldier Didn't see Man from Uncle but then again it tanked so it wasn't in my local theaters long. I wasn't the only one judging by the box office. I did see Cold Light of Day and Immortals and I thought Cavill was an exceptional cardboard cutout. Yes we know Batmans new so they have to put more focus on him to let people know about him. But that's more the movies job than the marketing. We know he's in it and we will see just as much of him even if they give more time to Superman. Batman sells more than Superman. He's their number one character and has been bringing in more coin and praise for WB for 30 years. THATS why he is featured more. They have more faith in him to sell this movie especially after MOS received mixed reviews. Better to push the surer thing and deemphasize the polarizing thing. I don't think anyone WANTS BvS to be bad but let's face it people are nervous based on past experience with WB and Snyder. If I think it's amazing I'll be the first to admit it. I had all the hope and excitement in the world for Age of Ultron and I haven't hidden the fact that I felt that movie let me down so I'm not biased one way or the other. I've wanted this movie literally my whole life but honestly what little I've seen has me cautious. Maybe it'll defy expectations but we will find out soon enough. If Snyder has a brilliant script and the right people helping him and giving him suggestions the movie could be great but I still think it comes down to him and if he "gets it." I'm not sure he does. I think Affleck may own his role because he knows the hurdles in front of him and while he's not the best actor he has improved in the last decade. he's always had his own kind of charm and personality. His issue was always could be play something beyond that. I think he's really got something to prove as an actor and as a fan. I don't think the stakes are as personal for Cavill nor has he had the career trial by fire that Affleck has had to push him. Gadots problems are another story. We haven't seen much of her to judge but...why haven't we? That's worrysome. When you've got actresses that are weak performers they're usually limited in what they are given to do and what we see. See Gina Carano. At least Gadot won't be dubbed so there is that. I think what we've seen of Eisenberg as a silly flamboyant Lex is a front. I'm not concerned about that. What does concern me is if he can pull off the true persona of the Lex behind that front. I've never seen him do anything beyond his usual schtick.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Feb 22, 2016 1:06:11 GMT -5
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Post by Metallo on Feb 22, 2016 8:36:41 GMT -5
Lol. Hopefully it's not true but you should see the online backlash and hate from the die hard DC supporters and blind MOS loyalists. Their hatred for Drew McWeeny/Moriarty has been absolutely venemous. I mean real violent threats and personal attacks. It's disgusting. Even supporters of the film who dare question get insulted and told "how dare you not tow the line!" It's like anytime this film or MOS are even slightly questioned or criticized their fanboys can't stand it. Yet when another unsubstantiated rumor about how great the film is comes out they fap all over themselves with joy even though it's just as unproven as the Hitflix article. Fact is nobody knows for sure how good or bad this film is expect for people inside WB. The fanboys say some people already want the film to fail../well what about the other side that have convinced themselves it's the greatest thing ever before even seeing it? Those people can't criticize absolutes then deal in absolutes without looking like just as big of a bunch of douches. Some people have just gone all on on this new film slate and will defend it all to the bitter end. Criticizing the competition and everything that came before. "You're a Marvel fanboy, you're a Reeve fanboy, you're a Nolanite, you don't understand or read the modern comics". All of these are the excuses some of these people use. Yes it's all those things fault and there's no way DCEU *might* have some problems. . When people have to tear down every other thing out there to support their one thing maaaaybe they're being a little too defensive.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Feb 22, 2016 11:21:13 GMT -5
Lol. Hopefully it's not true but you should see the online backlash and hate from the die hard DC supporters and blind MOS loyalists. Their hatred for Drew McWeeny/Moriarty has been absolutely venemous. I mean real violent threats and personal attacks. It's disgusting. Even supporters of the film who dare question get insulted and told "how dare you not tow the line!" It's like anytime this film or MOS are even slightly questioned or criticized their fanboys can't stand it. Yet when another unsubstantiated rumor about how great the film is comes out they fap all over themselves with joy even though it's just as unproven as the Hitflix article. Fact is nobody knows for sure how good or bad this film is expect for people inside WB. The fanboys say some people already want the film to fail../well what about the other side that have convinced themselves it's the greatest thing ever before even seeing it? Those people can't criticize absolutes then deal in absolutes without looking like just as big of a bunch of douches. Some people have just gone all on on this new film slate and will defend it all to the bitter end. Criticizing the competition and everything that came before. "You're a Marvel fanboy, you're a Reeve fanboy, you're a Nolanite, you don't understand or read the modern comics". All of these are the excuses some of these people use. Yes it's all those things fault and there's no way DCEU *might* have some problems. . When people have to tear down every other thing out there to support their one thing maaaaybe they're being a little too defensive. Definitely... But it's not suprising at all about the personal attacks. Many people have priorities way out of whack or not enough real problems in their life that they need to do that. The way I was taught, it should be totally fine to disagree and have differing opinions, and discuss in a respectful way- but the way that way too many go about disagreeing about things is to try to attack and tear one another's opinions down- not to expand thought and ideas, but just to defend a weak ego over something that has nothing really to do with them personally. People bashed SR, I loved parts of it, enjoyed it overall. But with MOS- it's the reverse. I don't think it's all that different from people fighting over favorite politicians or sports teams, except for this: #1: It's ENTERTAINMENT. Not lung cancer. #2: Does someone really need to attack a person or their right to an opinion without being insulted? #3: The character itself was supposed to embody noble ideas. So, it's just sad, but a reality of the net. I love civil debate. I don't have time for personal fighting on the net over a character in tights....
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Post by doomsday1 on Feb 22, 2016 13:45:26 GMT -5
Let's be honest they didn't cast Gadot just to decide later they want to hide her. The film is Batman v Superman, not Batman V Superman v Wonder Woman.
Give Man From UNCLE a bash then, it might be a very standard spy storyline but Cavills excellent in it. I'm perfectly happy with him as Superman, that's not to say I don't wish they'd let him smile or show some of that charm rather than stand and look angry.
You'll always get people who'll defend films to the death, I've already seen plenty of people flip out of any criticism of BVS, but two wrongs don't make a right and their behaviour doesn't exactly justify the vaginaheads on the otherside who already know full well they'll be going into this film to trash it. Both of these crowds are unbelievably annoying. I was never overly worried about Affleck, like Damon said, he's playing Batman, it's not the deeply complex gold standard of acting that comic book fanboys would like to believe that role is.
Anyway I don't have much confidence in it for various reasons, but I'm definitely not fooled by people implying they want it to do well whilst hoping it tanks, whether that's due to an allegiance to Marvel, a burning hatred of Zack Snyder or whatever. Commenting on Gadot's abilities in this film from one little line definitely raises suspicious, especially when the line delivery is fine.
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Post by Jason Voorhees007 on Feb 22, 2016 14:33:46 GMT -5
This is the movie I've been waiting my whole life for, it's hard not to get too carried away with the excitement but I like what I see so far. I do feel it'll be more focused on Batman, but I can live with that because I'm quite impressed with what I've seen of Affleck so far. This Batman seems very inspired by the Arkham games, including the fights, which I'm happy about. It certainly feels different and fresh in comparison to any Batman in the past.
After the 2nd trailer I was a little worried my life-long wait was for nothing, but the latest trailer has re-kindled my excitement. I'm trying my best not to pre-judge, good or bad, and just enjoy the ride. If it's half as good as I believe it should be then I'll be happy. Luthor is my biggest worry at the minute but we've only really seen snippets of him. No concerns over Wonder Woman at all, for me. I'm just glad they've finally deicide to get her on the big screen. Only time will tell whether they do her justice but I'm hopeful and I'm just as hopeful that Gal Gadot will surprise a lot of people.
I read today that the running time is 2 hours 31 minutes. I'm happy with that considering the amount they need to fit into this.
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Post by Metallo on Feb 22, 2016 18:42:23 GMT -5
Let's be honest they didn't cast Gadot just to decide later they want to hide her. The film is Batman v Superman, not Batman V Superman v Wonder Woman. We're talking about hiding her weaknesses as an actress. Not hiding her. They're doing a whole film with her. But Snyder's not known for being a guy concerned with brilliant performances. There are countless cases where someone is cast in a big role and their acting talent isn't up to snuff. Brigitte Neilsen was cast as Red Sonja for her looks. She was attractive and statuesque. When it came to acting she was lacking. Something similar could be happening here. Gadots not even the lead in BvS so that helps them but with WW she will have to carry much more of that film herself. Not trying to bash the guy or the movie but he's been given a few opportunists on leads and it hasn't worked out. People praised the guy as some brilliant new star but where's the payoff? Where? His costar Armie Hammer is the same way and I liked him in Lone Ranger. He can only do so much with the script he's given and the direction but a great actor can make that leap and bring something of his own besides what's on the page and that's his gravitas. Sure...but saying people on THIS board have their knives out is stupid. Caution doesn't mean people won't give it a chance. I've already said Affleck is impressing me. If I wasn't going to give it a chance why would I say that? As for the role being easy it's not as easy as some would think. That's Damon defending his friend. If it were easy it would have been a home run for Clooney. Kilmer wouldn't be all but forgotten. The script and direction still HAVE to be there and even if it is not everyone is going to be able to pull it off. Talent is talent. If someone has the talent they can make it LOOK easy but that doesn't mean it is. If it was Kevin Conroy would have been topped years ago. People don't want it to do well if it's BAD but most people want it to be good. If it's good people want it to do well. If this movie tanks we won't see WB attempt something like this again for at least a generation. Nobody wants to wait that long.
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Post by doomsday1 on Feb 23, 2016 18:10:48 GMT -5
i don't agree with much of that Metallo. How are you supposed to rise above and use your gravitas in a film with minimal dialogue, and shag dialogue that's there is quite ham fisted? Let's face it you've made up your mind you don't fancy Cavill and will go after him accordingly and chance you get. Proof is in the pudding, you made some comment about him being upstaged by Affleck in what we've seen so far which is total bullpoop in my personal opinion. Maybe you like Affleck? Or maybe you're just heaping a little praise on him so when the film comes out and you inevitably trash it you can say "oh yeah but how can you say I didn't want it to be good, go back and look at how I praised Affleck". Essentially you're covering the bases, not everyone's blind to these things. No, I'm sorry but Batman isn't the complex role you think, look at the scripts and dialogue Kilmer and Clooney had, absolutely nothing to do with their abilities as actors and you know that.
Red Sonja being used as a comparison against a huge film like Batman v Superman? Not even a worthwhile comparison so we'll leave that one there.
I've seen more than enough on the Internet to know there's a ton of people who want that film to tank, you might be able to pull the wool over other people's eyes but I'm not that naive, I've seen it first hand. From people who just don't like Snyder to Marvel fanboys, to Nolan fanboys who don't want their version of Batman upstaged in any way. They're all over the net for everyone to see
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Feb 24, 2016 3:56:20 GMT -5
The visuals are really pretty for the trailers, but.... It's REALLY a pity that Bale didn't say 'yes'. I thought he was (imo) the perfect Bruce Wayne (though I would have nixed the sore throat Batman choice he had). As far as Affleck goes: I'll most likely be able to be 'ok' with him in the film- in the same way that I was 'ok' with Jessica Alba as Sue Storm, or Keaton as Batman (which I know some LOVE), or Affleck as Daredevil. You make the best out of it, but most of it is due to baggage that I have from exposure to so much of his movies (and public persona). If BvS was the FIRST thing ever with him in it, it'd be easier to be objective. I never 100% was sold on him as Daredevil. He did the best he could, but I kept seeing the same Affleck rather than the character that I see in all of his movies. It may not be his problem. With Bale, he just seems to ooze the darkness. Maybe part of it was his being so low-key publicly as an actor that helped. Seeing Affleck on the actor's studio as a likeable average joe I'm sure didn't help my own view of Affleck as either DD or Batman. Once BvS starts, who knows? Maybe I'll eat my words or maybe I'll still have the same opinion, but that's nobody else's biz actually as to whether or not I seem contradictory. I was dead sure that Anthony Hopkins would never be convincing as Nixon, nor Kurt Russell as Elvis, but as each of those movies went on, I didn't notice the lack of physical resemblance in both parts at all, and only saw the characters. Hopefully it's the same here. Gadot I'm judging not by one line, but by her other movies as well. She looks great in costume, that's a giant part of any superhero role. The movie will show if I approve or not (which is all I care about truth to tell). In general: It's odd how some people feel a need to judge other's opinions on movies and judge the people having the opinion. Enjoy the opinion, respect that people have different ones, or just move on, for heaven's sake. Life is too short and full of REAL problems like health, family, and finances, than for verbal battles over superhero films. But that's my opinion.
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Post by Metallo on Feb 26, 2016 21:06:15 GMT -5
i don't agree with much of that Metallo. How are you supposed to rise above and use your gravitas in a film with minimal dialogue, and shag dialogue that's there is quite ham fisted? Let's face it you've made up your mind you don't fancy Cavill and will go after him accordingly and chance you get. darn you're taking it personal. I'm not going after the guy any chance I get. Seems like you take it as a personal affront. I'm stating my opinion on his weaknesses as an actor in general and in this role specifically so far. Rise above with minimal dialogue and a look? Arnold Schwarzenegger was a lesser actor than Cavill but he rose above because he had more charisma. Michael Keaton did the same as Batman because he had presence and knew when to do what he did. He knew the character. He knew less could be more. He cut his OWN dialogue at times. Peter Weller went long stretches on RoboCop without talking and most of his face covered but he had the talent and experience to know how to emote and how to say tons win just the way he said one word or have one look. Even in a lesser Robocop movie like 2. How'd those guys do it. Don't sit there and pretend like an actor can't get it done even when limited in what they can say or do. Some of Cavills predecessors could say all they needed to with a look yet no words. If you remember I had some criticisms of Andrew Garfield as Spider man yet when his second weaker movie came out I also said he owned the role on that one. He got better. So this bs of me not giving Cavill a chance is just that. History isn't on your side there. If Cavill does the same thing Garfield did as far as improving I'll give him the same props. By your logic I should have stayed critical of Garfield. I didn't. I believe my words were more along the lines of Affleck being better in his role. Not that he was trying to upstage Cavill. What I'm saying would be more like him stealing their scenes together but most of the little footage we've seen has them apart. But in his role he does seem to have a better grasp on his character. I'm giving Affleck the same chance I'm giving Cavill. Cavill should be better since he has experience in his role and something more to build on as an actor. I've been just as critical of Affleck in the past. But the fact is he does have more experience as an actor than Cavill. He's been through this whole thing long before Cavill ever played Superman. Maybe that does give him an extra fire to prove his detractors wrong. He doesn't seem to be as defensive on his casting and his choices as Cavill has been recently. He's learned from experience to roll with it better. Maybe Cavill will finally step up to the plate but I haven't seen much from the trailers yet. Thank you for repeating what I've already said about the role. Yeah the script plays a part. I said that. But a great actor can also rise above to an extent. Green Lantern was an awful movie with an awful script yet Mark Strong was an excellent Sinestro because he at least understood his character. And you bringing up Kilmer and Clooney also highlights those issues. Batman Forever wasn't hugely superior to Batman & Robin but Kilmer hit the right note as an actor. Better than Clooney anyway. They even had the same director. Akiva Goldsman was a writer on both films but Kilmer is the superior Batman of the two. Ben MacKensie had a great script in Batman Year One but his performance fell flat. Bryan Cranston was in the same movie as Jim Gordon but his performance was great. Yeah talent and the right person in the right role do play a big part. Batmans not as easy a role as some people would lead you to believe. I've watched and read a ton of enough Batman to see the good and the bad and what worked and what didn't. And there are a lot of examples of performances that outshined the role of the film despite bad writing. If Batman was an easy role as you claim the writing shouldn't matter as much so you contradict yourself right there. It should be a cake walk. Yet even guys with some solid writing haven't made an impression. You're just avoiding the issue or don't get what I'm saying. Size of the films makes no difference here. We aren't talking effects but pure acting and experience or lack thereof. Performance is performance and in both cases you have similar characters with similar casting issues. Keep in mind I'm talking about Gadot in BvS AND Wonder Woman which she will be carrying just like Neilsen had to carry Red Sonja. If anything the size off the films gives Gadot an ADVANTAGE over Neilsen. In BvS she's not the lead. Cavill and Affleck are. In both films she will have far bigger action set pieces and effects to cover for any potential acting shortcomings. Again that an avantage for her so she has a leg up going in. And I've seen enough people who will cheerleader this film and get defensive no matter what or no matter how legitimate the concerns with it are. I've seen that firsthand. You can't act like its a one way thing with MOS haters. There's MOS blind loyalists too. Fact. You sound like you're getting that way with the "pull the wool over someone's eyes comment. I just said in another thread it might be good but I've got concerns. That's not pulling the wool thats being honest and fair. Why don't you consider the fact that maybe some peoples reservations have nothing to do with Marvel or Donner or any past thing and instead stem from the way MOS turned out and the way Snyder's past works have turned out and the way WB's DC comics track record has turned out. Maybe some people put blinders on and ignore all that when trying to put down or dismiss others for simply being hesitant.
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Post by Metallo on Feb 26, 2016 21:15:36 GMT -5
The visuals are really pretty for the trailers, but.... It's REALLY a pity that Bale didn't say 'yes'. I thought he was (imo) the perfect Bruce Wayne (though I would have nixed the sore throat Batman choice he had). As far as Affleck goes: I'll most likely be able to be 'ok' with him in the film- in the same way that I was 'ok' with Jessica Alba as Sue Storm, or Keaton as Batman (which I know some LOVE), or Affleck as Daredevil. You make the best out of it, but most of it is due to baggage that I have from exposure to so much of his movies (and public persona). If BvS was the FIRST thing ever with him in it, it'd be easier to be objective. I never 100% was sold on him as Daredevil. He did the best he could, but I kept seeing the same Affleck rather than the character that I see in all of his movies. It may not be his problem. With Bale, he just seems to ooze the darkness. Maybe part of it was his being so low-key publicly as an actor that helped. Seeing Affleck on the actor's studio as a likeable average joe I'm sure didn't help my own view of Affleck as either DD or Batman. Once BvS starts, who knows? Maybe I'll eat my words or maybe I'll still have the same opinion, but that's nobody else's biz actually as to whether or not I seem contradictory. I was dead sure that Anthony Hopkins would never be convincing as Nixon, nor Kurt Russell as Elvis, but as each of those movies went on, I didn't notice the lack of physical resemblance in both parts at all, and only saw the characters. Hopefully it's the same here. Gadot I'm judging not by one line, but by her other movies as well. She looks great in costume, that's a giant part of any superhero role. The movie will show if I approve or not (which is all I care about truth to tell). In general: It's odd how some people feel a need to judge other's opinions on movies and judge the people having the opinion. Enjoy the opinion, respect that people have different ones, or just move on, for heaven's sake. Life is too short and full of REAL problems like health, family, and finances, than for verbal battles over superhero films. But that's my opinion. Thank you! Some people on both sides need to get this. Seems like the blind Snyder DCEU loyalists get angry at anyone who they feel might harm this films success by being nervous or critical of what they've seen in trailers. Even people who are looking Forward to the film yet say anything not seen as full on lovefesting get ripped on or called names. The name calling gets me more than anything. It's that "fall in line or f you mentality". It's no never than the people who want the film to be awful and fail no matter what.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Feb 27, 2016 16:56:57 GMT -5
For good and bad, it SEEMS like Hollywood is paying less attention (to a degree) to fan reactions and predictions of doom before something comes out. In the last several years, Hollywood seemed to be falling over itself to promote its stuff at conventions- but with (again) Marvel blowing everything away, even Marvel's not bothering to show up at even Comicon. (though again- it may because of their own version of it via Disney).
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Post by Metallo on Feb 27, 2016 17:40:46 GMT -5
Well the problem is once these massive productions are shooting they can't always stop it and take enough time to fix things. They can make adjustments but massive changes sometimes make things even worse. I think Hollywood still listens even if they won't admit it. Fox got nervious on Fantastic 4. The online backlash over Blogger Victor Domeshev got that changed to disgruntled Baxter scientist Victor Von Doom for sure. Sometimes the push on without listening at all. I think that for now WB has chosen a direction and are sticking with it. That may change but it doesn't seem like they've changed a lot on screen for BvS after the mixed reaction man of steel got. Goyers role has been diminished but the aesthetic is about the same. I do think the story of the film has been influenced by the criticisms of MOS.
Paramount doesn't seem to be listening much on Star Trek after Into Darkness but I do think they've listened a little. They still want to make it some mainstream generic action series but they do claim to be going more into the exploration aspect which Into Darkness was criticized for lacking. We're also getting the CBS series with Nicholas Meyer and Bryan Fuller involved. They listen but only to a certain degree. They'll make changes but as long as those changes don't hurt their overall vision.
I think you nailed it with Marvel. They've got D23 so ComicCon isn't as important. I think for some studios their view of the importance of ComicCon may have peaked a few years ago. Marvel does seem to listen but then they forget what they learned or get too wrapped up in their plans.
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Post by doomsday1 on Feb 28, 2016 8:45:14 GMT -5
The visuals are really pretty for the trailers, but.... It's REALLY a pity that Bale didn't say 'yes'. I thought he was (imo) the perfect Bruce Wayne (though I would have nixed the sore throat Batman choice he had). As far as Affleck goes: I'll most likely be able to be 'ok' with him in the film- in the same way that I was 'ok' with Jessica Alba as Sue Storm, or Keaton as Batman (which I know some LOVE), or Affleck as Daredevil. You make the best out of it, but most of it is due to baggage that I have from exposure to so much of his movies (and public persona). If BvS was the FIRST thing ever with him in it, it'd be easier to be objective. I never 100% was sold on him as Daredevil. He did the best he could, but I kept seeing the same Affleck rather than the character that I see in all of his movies. It may not be his problem. With Bale, he just seems to ooze the darkness. Maybe part of it was his being so low-key publicly as an actor that helped. Seeing Affleck on the actor's studio as a likeable average joe I'm sure didn't help my own view of Affleck as either DD or Batman. Once BvS starts, who knows? Maybe I'll eat my words or maybe I'll still have the same opinion, but that's nobody else's biz actually as to whether or not I seem contradictory. I was dead sure that Anthony Hopkins would never be convincing as Nixon, nor Kurt Russell as Elvis, but as each of those movies went on, I didn't notice the lack of physical resemblance in both parts at all, and only saw the characters. Hopefully it's the same here. Gadot I'm judging not by one line, but by her other movies as well. She looks great in costume, that's a giant part of any superhero role. The movie will show if I approve or not (which is all I care about truth to tell). In general: It's odd how some people feel a need to judge other's opinions on movies and judge the people having the opinion. Enjoy the opinion, respect that people have different ones, or just move on, for heaven's sake. Life is too short and full of REAL problems like health, family, and finances, than for verbal battles over superhero films. But that's my opinion. Thank you! Some people on both sides need to get this. Seems like the blind Snyder DCEU loyalists get angry at anyone who they feel might harm this films success by being nervous or critical of what they've seen in trailers. Even people who are looking Forward to the film yet say anything not seen as full on lovefesting get ripped on or called names. The name calling gets me more than anything. It's that "fall in line or f you mentality". It's no never than the people who want the film to be awful and fail no matter what. I refuse use to believe you don't see the huge irony and hypocrisy of this statement, you know coming from yourself. only skim read your response as I don't have much time but looks like more of the same, twisting and turning, feable comparisons and not really addressing my points. You should save your money pal, I think everyone knows what you're about and I'm sure you'd be better off waiting for Civil War instead. A LOT of people do have genuine reservations out with any bias or allegiance, you however do not. I'm not saying there aren't petty DC cheerleaders because clearly there's millions, so I'm not even sure you're really taking any of this in. But my point is you're the opposite to these guys, and that's not much better to be honest. Hope you at least enjoy your popcorn next month! Adios
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Post by Metallo on Feb 28, 2016 13:28:40 GMT -5
Thank you! Some people on both sides need to get this. Seems like the blind Snyder DCEU loyalists get angry at anyone who they feel might harm this films success by being nervous or critical of what they've seen in trailers. Even people who are looking Forward to the film yet say anything not seen as full on lovefesting get ripped on or called names. The name calling gets me more than anything. It's that "fall in line or f you mentality". It's no never than the people who want the film to be awful and fail no matter what. I refuse use to believe you don't see the huge irony and hypocrisy of this statement, you know coming from yourself. only skim read your response as I don't have much time but looks like more of the same, twisting and turning, feable comparisons and not really addressing my points. You should save your money pal, I think everyone knows what you're about and I'm sure you'd be better off waiting for Civil War instead. A LOT of people do have genuine reservations out with any bias or allegiance, you however do not. I'm not saying there aren't petty DC cheerleaders because clearly there's millions, so I'm not even sure you're really taking any of this in. But my point is you're the opposite to these guys, and that's not much better to be honest. Hope you at least enjoy your popcorn next month! Adios Yeah right...you skimmed it because I offered specific examples instead of your kinds of vague accusations and generalizations and showed that what you're saying doesn't fly. Everyone has the right to think what they want so don't think you can show up and guilt trip or pressure everyone into thinking the same way you do and don't think people are gonna clam up just because you want them to stop saying things you don't want to hear. If you don't like it ignore it. I'm not the one who comes here interrupting friendly discussions to accuse people here of hating on the movie and making negative comments towards people for their views and opinions looking for a confrontation. If you weren't looking to cause that problem you wouldn't be stirring that crap up. The only person I see starting that kind of stuff around here is you. You seem to take any negativity or questioning of this movie personally. Again nobody else around here is doing that. Maybe you get off on stirring things up I don't know but you can't say nobody came at you doing what you're doin and getting upset over it when someone defends their views. People can love the movie or hate it by hyped for it or be reserved on it. That's their choice. But to come and try to personally attack being and slander them and point the finger at them is crap. Again no one else seems to have a problem by you. No one else is looking to pick an argument over this stuff but you. Don't think people don't see it. You can't seem to let someone have a view that isn't 100 percent what you want it to be. Or maybe it's all a game to you. Who knows.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Feb 29, 2016 12:55:33 GMT -5
I have to admit..... the thing with Batfleck and Jimmy Kimmel was pretty cool last night- I was impressed that they didn't just do the 'greenscreen' thing and actually got the main actors to do the comedy bit with Kimmel. Very clever. Here's hoping in a way that Affleck is going to be 'quality control' guy on the side. Maybe he'll pull a Lester. In a good way.
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Post by Metallo on Feb 29, 2016 15:25:59 GMT -5
Yeah I saw that. I figured they'd pull a Shia "DO IT" greenscreen insertion type of deal but they didn't. They got the actors and recreated the setting which was cool. I think Affleck wants this to work and wants to be a good Batman. Daredevil disappointed him so he doesn't want to go through that again and prove his doubters wrong. I think Affleck "gets it" even though some of the people he's working with don't.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 1, 2016 3:06:38 GMT -5
I think until the giant battles came up over Man of Steel, that everyone saw the same qualities in the character Superman, but from friends who loved MOS, but disliked the Reeve Superman films, and the forum- it's clear that not everybody is on the same page at all when it comes to the character.
So- I think it's a question of wildly different perceptions on what makes the character great. I think I 'get it', but then again, everyone can only trust their own gut, so who knows?
In any case, one thing on Batfleck's side is that it seems a bit unique that an actor both wants to be the character and the director at the same time for a superhero flick. (Reeve did for Superman IV, but that was after many other failed films in between and there was quite a bit of a gap between 3 and 4).
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