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Post by crazy_asian_man on Apr 4, 2016 1:56:32 GMT -5
I saw it last night. I actually liked it better than MoS. That's because I knew what to expect this time. I expected a mindless, fun movie with nice visuals, and that's what it delivered. I doubt I would ever sit through the whole thing again. As a movie, it's a mess, but has some nice scenes. Mindless movie? Well I strongly disagree with that. I watched again today with my teen son (he's 15) and I loved it even more. He also liked it a lot and said it was a great movie. He knows about the bad reviews from the critics, and told me he simply doesn't understand it because the film he saw was really good. He also likes Marvel movies, but we both agreed this was better than Avengers 1. A lot better. He said BvS was so much more emotional and awesome. I agree with him. BvS gives me goosebumps several times during the film and moves me deeply. Like a friend on twitter said to me today when I asked her is she liked the movie she said this: "I loved it too. I don't get all the hate. A lot of people are missing the deeper meanings & being nitpicky."
And after a second viewing, I can't help but to agree completely with her. Honestly, I don't have any problems with this film. Not big/real ones. And I have to say that I love both Superman and Batman in this film very much. I feel their pain, because they are actually hurting very much during this movie. No this movie is not for little kids at all. This is for people willing to open their minds a little and realize our heroes have lost their way or lost hope in humanity. Yes Superman looks sad and depressed a lot in this movie, but what else can you expect when so many think you are doing more damage than good? They even ask: Must there be a Superman? (Does the world need Superman?) Notice the similarity with Superman Returns? I do, and I like it. Superman is truly confused and isn't sure if what he is doing has any real meaning in the world. I think Snyder and co. explore this idea even better than in SR, and I love SR. But then at the end when Superman knows he might die, he tells Lois this is his world and she is his world (like Pa Kent said about Martha). And he gives a subtle smile to Lois, kisses her and leaves to confront and hopefully kill Doomsday. I was already crying by this moment. And I know others who cried too, so I don't feel alone, haha.. If this is not moving stuff that makes you care for Superman then I'm sorry but I don't know what to tell you. There is also the scene when Lex show the picture of a captured Martha to Supes. We see Superman in despair for his mom. No he doesn't yell NO! But he is clearly very emotional and worried for Martha. I like how commanding Cavill's voice is. I never thought I'd say that, but I like him as Superman a lot in this film. He is so majestic and powerful, but still uses his power for good, even tho some people insist in attacking him and stuff. My heart feels for him. And there is also Batman. He is also hurting. He is in fact a broken version of the character. And we see him doing bad things we aren't used to, but we are told why. I think it was really cool to see a Batman completely loose. This Batman is the Batman the Justice League needs and deserves. Bale's Batman would never last with those poor fighting skills honestly. Affleck's Batman would destroy Bale's and any other in less than 5 minutes.. Now, I've never been a big Batman fan, but Affleck got me really interested in his version. His emotional arc and redemption was powerful to me. I care about him like I never cared for Batman on live action before. I love how Batman and Superman help each other at the end and realize they are not the real enemy. They unite to fight for humanity and to save the world. Even when Clark dies, Bruce tells Diana that he failed Superman in life, but he won't in death. I thought that was beautiful and inspirational. And then his speech about fighting for good and rebuilding the world. I loved it. Let's remember he didn't kill Lex or brand him. He could have but didn't. Maybe he is really changing thanks to Superman. So yeah, I simply can't understand how someone can say this film was a mindless action flick. It boggles my mind. I think this film is really good and I loved how it explored big questions about humans, power and pain. When a film makes me cry and think like this one, and it also manages to impress me visually with amazing action and imagery, well it did its job well. I even want to go find my Superman comics that I haven't read in a few years. And I also want to read some good Batman ones. I like him in the JL cartoons from the 90s, but I never liked him more than in BvS. Well that's my humble opinion. I don't want to fight with anyone, but I just feel the need to explain why I love this movie. All those scenes at the end with Clark/Superman dead and Lois and Martha Kent, and Bruce. And Superman's coffin and the music, the people crying, etc.. I really like it. It moves me and can't help but feel the tears coming down my face. I know I'm not alone. That somehow makes me feel better, lol. My sister cried when Superman died in BvS. Not alone, for sure. I get choked up in SR, and I enjoyed BvS, but didn't quite have the same reactions. I was thrown by the scottish bagpipes (where did THAT come from? Was Clark Scottish?) during the Smallville (?) funeral. I like your review of Batfleck- yeah, he really embraced a more 'I don't give a darn about playing the rules anymore at this age' type of Batman. Branding villains? Wow! It'll be interesting to see where Batfleck goes with the 'raging Batman' and more cool gadgets (though I still don't think any filmmaker has gone full throttle on the Batcave) I mentioned I liked Cavill as Supes in both MOS and here, but I think the choices to be 'invisible' as Clark might be realistic, but also a lost opportunity to see other sides of Superman's character. In any case, he's not dead. We know the JLA movie is (unless the box office disappoints) will have him.... The general plot I thought was very good in setting things up, but, as Metallo mentioned, it is a little clunkier than it seems like it needs to be plotwise in the beginning, but not too bad.
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Post by atp on Apr 4, 2016 2:12:13 GMT -5
I appreciate the welcome, guys. Too bad the old crew isn't here since I'd be kinda curious to read their reactions to the film. I'm particularly curious if the big MOS fans were equally enthused about BvS. I found that some of the people I know in person that liked MOS didn't like this one as much, or at all, but the people I know that didn't like MOS very much seemed to like this one better. Anyway, I'm curious if they really did trim a lot of Superman out of the movie. What did you guys think of Doomsday? I've heard a lot of people say that Doomsday reminded them too much of Abomination from "The Incredible Hulk" movie. I kinda see why, but that didn't bug me that much. I was more bothered by the overall writing of the Superman sections of the film. The big finish, which should've hit an emotional crescendo, didn't feel like that big bang finish that it should've felt like. The feeling I get from Luke saying "NEVER!" and the music that followed his beatdown of Vader during the emotional climax of the original Star Wars trilogy, or the emotion that I felt when Superman screamed like a maniac when Lois died in STM. I don't know how you would describe that feeling, but I think that's the emotion that was missing during Superman's moment in BvS. Interestingly, I felt it when Batman beat Superman and screamed, "How do you know that name?!" but I didn't feel it at the climax. On a separate note, prior to watching the film, I heard some criticisms that Batman killed people. Given the way they handled Superman killing Zod in MOS , I wasn't surprised, but did that happen outside the dream sequence in BvS? If so, I didn't remember it (and I didn't even go to the bathroom). Was it a "blink and you'll miss it" moment? Or maybe it was kinda like Batman "killing" the Joker's goons when he blew up Axis Chemicals---yeah, I guess you can say "Batman killed", but you also kinda pretend he didn't. " I am one of the people who didn't care for MoS, but liked BvS. I think it is largely because MoS tried to retread old ground (origin story and General Zod) that had already been done in STM and S2. And on top of that, it was just a depressing and crap take on the whole thing. In addition, the trailers sold a misleading idea of MoS. On the other hand, BvS had a lot of new ideas. It didn't come with the baggage of trying to remake STM/S2. So it was easier to watch it for what it was. And finally, the trailers set up lower expectations from the start.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Apr 4, 2016 2:19:39 GMT -5
I appreciate the welcome, guys. Too bad the old crew isn't here since I'd be kinda curious to read their reactions to the film. I'm particularly curious if the big MOS fans were equally enthused about BvS. I found that some of the people I know in person that liked MOS didn't like this one as much, or at all, but the people I know that didn't like MOS very much seemed to like this one better. Anyway, I'm curious if they really did trim a lot of Superman out of the movie. What did you guys think of Doomsday? I've heard a lot of people say that Doomsday reminded them too much of Abomination from "The Incredible Hulk" movie. I kinda see why, but that didn't bug me that much. I was more bothered by the overall writing of the Superman sections of the film. The big finish, which should've hit an emotional crescendo, didn't feel like that big bang finish that it should've felt like. The feeling I get from Luke saying "NEVER!" and the music that followed his beatdown of Vader during the emotional climax of the original Star Wars trilogy, or the emotion that I felt when Superman screamed like a maniac when Lois died in STM. I don't know how you would describe that feeling, but I think that's the emotion that was missing during Superman's moment in BvS. Interestingly, I felt it when Batman beat Superman and screamed, "How do you know that name?!" but I didn't feel it at the climax. On a separate note, prior to watching the film, I heard some criticisms that Batman killed people. Given the way they handled Superman killing Zod in MOS , I wasn't surprised, but did that happen outside the dream sequence in BvS? If so, I didn't remember it (and I didn't even go to the bathroom). Was it a "blink and you'll miss it" moment? Or maybe it was kinda like Batman "killing" the Joker's goons when he blew up Axis Chemicals---yeah, I guess you can say "Batman killed", but you also kinda pretend he didn't. " I am one of the people who didn't care for MoS, but liked BvS. I think it is largely because MoS tried to retread old ground (origin story and General Zod) that had already been done in STM and S2. And on top of that, it was just a depressing and crap take on the whole thing. In addition, the trailers sold a misleading idea of MoS. On the other hand, BvS had a lot of new ideas. It didn't come with the baggage of trying to remake STM/S2. So it was easier to watch it for what it was. And finally, the trailers set up lower expectations from the start. I think there's good stuff in MOS.... but stuff and moments that need to be taken out to really enjoy it...
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Post by stargazer0118 on Apr 4, 2016 14:10:30 GMT -5
Mindless movie? Well I strongly disagree with that. I watched again today with my teen son (he's 15) and I loved it even more. He also liked it a lot and said it was a great movie. He knows about the bad reviews from the critics, and told me he simply doesn't understand it because the film he saw was really good. He also likes Marvel movies, but we both agreed this was better than Avengers 1. A lot better. He said BvS was so much more emotional and awesome. I agree with him. BvS gives me goosebumps several times during the film and moves me deeply. Like a friend on twitter said to me today when I asked her is she liked the movie she said this: "I loved it too. I don't get all the hate. A lot of people are missing the deeper meanings & being nitpicky."
And after a second viewing, I can't help but to agree completely with her. Honestly, I don't have any problems with this film. Not big/real ones. And I have to say that I love both Superman and Batman in this film very much. I feel their pain, because they are actually hurting very much during this movie. No this movie is not for little kids at all. This is for people willing to open their minds a little and realize our heroes have lost their way or lost hope in humanity. Yes Superman looks sad and depressed a lot in this movie, but what else can you expect when so many think you are doing more damage than good? They even ask: Must there be a Superman? (Does the world need Superman?) Notice the similarity with Superman Returns? I do, and I like it. Superman is truly confused and isn't sure if what he is doing has any real meaning in the world. I think Snyder and co. explore this idea even better than in SR, and I love SR. But then at the end when Superman knows he might die, he tells Lois this is his world and she is his world (like Pa Kent said about Martha). And he gives a subtle smile to Lois, kisses her and leaves to confront and hopefully kill Doomsday. I was already crying by this moment. And I know others who cried too, so I don't feel alone, haha.. If this is not moving stuff that makes you care for Superman then I'm sorry but I don't know what to tell you. There is also the scene when Lex show the picture of a captured Martha to Supes. We see Superman in despair for his mom. No he doesn't yell NO! But he is clearly very emotional and worried for Martha. I like how commanding Cavill's voice is. I never thought I'd say that, but I like him as Superman a lot in this film. He is so majestic and powerful, but still uses his power for good, even tho some people insist in attacking him and stuff. My heart feels for him. And there is also Batman. He is also hurting. He is in fact a broken version of the character. And we see him doing bad things we aren't used to, but we are told why. I think it was really cool to see a Batman completely loose. This Batman is the Batman the Justice League needs and deserves. Bale's Batman would never last with those poor fighting skills honestly. Affleck's Batman would destroy Bale's and any other in less than 5 minutes.. Now, I've never been a big Batman fan, but Affleck got me really interested in his version. His emotional arc and redemption was powerful to me. I care about him like I never cared for Batman on live action before. I love how Batman and Superman help each other at the end and realize they are not the real enemy. They unite to fight for humanity and to save the world. Even when Clark dies, Bruce tells Diana that he failed Superman in life, but he won't in death. I thought that was beautiful and inspirational. And then his speech about fighting for good and rebuilding the world. I loved it. Let's remember he didn't kill Lex or brand him. He could have but didn't. Maybe he is really changing thanks to Superman. So yeah, I simply can't understand how someone can say this film was a mindless action flick. It boggles my mind. I think this film is really good and I loved how it explored big questions about humans, power and pain. When a film makes me cry and think like this one, and it also manages to impress me visually with amazing action and imagery, well it did its job well. I even want to go find my Superman comics that I haven't read in a few years. And I also want to read some good Batman ones. I like him in the JL cartoons from the 90s, but I never liked him more than in BvS. Well that's my humble opinion. I don't want to fight with anyone, but I just feel the need to explain why I love this movie. All those scenes at the end with Clark/Superman dead and Lois and Martha Kent, and Bruce. And Superman's coffin and the music, the people crying, etc.. I really like it. It moves me and can't help but feel the tears coming down my face. I know I'm not alone. That somehow makes me feel better, lol. My sister cried when Superman died in BvS. Not alone, for sure. I get choked up in SR, and I enjoyed BvS, but didn't quite have the same reactions. I was thrown by the scottish bagpipes (where did THAT come from? Was Clark Scottish?) during the Smallville (?) funeral. I like your review of Batfleck- yeah, he really embraced a more 'I don't give a darn about playing the rules anymore at this age' type of Batman. Branding villains? Wow! It'll be interesting to see where Batfleck goes with the 'raging Batman' and more cool gadgets (though I still don't think any filmmaker has gone full throttle on the Batcave) I mentioned I liked Cavill as Supes in both MOS and here, but I think the choices to be 'invisible' as Clark might be realistic, but also a lost opportunity to see other sides of Superman's character. In any case, he's not dead. We know the JLA movie is (unless the box office disappoints) will have him.... The general plot I thought was very good in setting things up, but, as Metallo mentioned, it is a little clunkier than it seems like it needs to be plotwise in the beginning, but not too bad. Yeah, I agree that they didn't use Clark enough or very effectively in order to show other more human sides of him (SR did a better job). I really wonder how are they going to bring back both Supes/Clark to the next movie.. And we all agree they need to make the character more content and more confident about his place on Earth just like Bruce seem to have changed. I think they know that's a very necessary change because they can't keep doing the same sad Superman thing. Not this much or this way. He has Bruce and WW now. People who can understand him more and be friends with. Plus the world has been witness of how far Superman is willing to go in order to protect the planet. "The general plot I thought was very good in setting things up, but, as Metallo mentioned, it is a little clunkier than it seems like it needs to be plotwise in the beginning, but not too bad." Sure, I get that. Like what parts exactly did you have problems with plotwise? Personally, I think they need to flesh out Lex' motivations a bit more. I understood his father was very powerful and also very cruel with him. Or did I missinterpret? So Lex doesn't think a God-like being like Superman can be all good. He fears him because he doesn't know/understand him. Just like Batman did, until he realized Superman also had a heart when he begged him to find his mother. But yeah, I'd like to know what bothered you plotwise. Like some people thought Bruce's dreams were too weird, and my son said Batman fighting in that dream was one of his fave parts! He thought it was Batman fearing a possible future in which Superman takes complete control over the world. And he's only 15.
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Post by atp on Apr 4, 2016 14:27:50 GMT -5
Another reason that Superman's death fell flat is that virtually nobody witnessed it. Only the people fighting Doomsday saw it.
In the comic, Doomsday killed Superman in the middle of the city, with the whole world looking on.
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Post by stargazer0118 on Apr 4, 2016 14:33:36 GMT -5
Another reason that Superman's death fell flat is that virtually nobody witnessed it. Only the people fighting Doomsday saw it. In the comic, Doomsday killed Superman in the middle of the city, with the whole world looking on. I don't think so. I remember seeing the fight being broadcast on TV.. it's how WW learned about it. Alfred too for instance. Pretty sure the world was being a witness of it all.
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Post by Metallo on Apr 4, 2016 15:24:32 GMT -5
Should the emp from nuke have knocked out all electronics in the region around metropolis? That was a big point in dark knight returns (which that scene was inspired by) when the nuke went off. Maybe it detonated too high up. But then again batman saw the explosion so they weren't that far away.
That's the problem with Snyder wanting to take the scenes from these comics without the same context. Sometimes it doesn't fit with what he's doing logically.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Apr 4, 2016 16:16:13 GMT -5
My sister cried when Superman died in BvS. Not alone, for sure. I get choked up in SR, and I enjoyed BvS, but didn't quite have the same reactions. I was thrown by the scottish bagpipes (where did THAT come from? Was Clark Scottish?) during the Smallville (?) funeral. I like your review of Batfleck- yeah, he really embraced a more 'I don't give a darn about playing the rules anymore at this age' type of Batman. Branding villains? Wow! It'll be interesting to see where Batfleck goes with the 'raging Batman' and more cool gadgets (though I still don't think any filmmaker has gone full throttle on the Batcave) I mentioned I liked Cavill as Supes in both MOS and here, but I think the choices to be 'invisible' as Clark might be realistic, but also a lost opportunity to see other sides of Superman's character. In any case, he's not dead. We know the JLA movie is (unless the box office disappoints) will have him.... The general plot I thought was very good in setting things up, but, as Metallo mentioned, it is a little clunkier than it seems like it needs to be plotwise in the beginning, but not too bad. Yeah, I agree that they didn't use Clark enough or very effectively in order to show other more human sides of him (SR did a better job). I really wonder how are they going to bring back both Supes/Clark to the next movie.. And we all agree they need to make the character more content and more confident about his place on Earth just like Bruce seem to have changed. I think they know that's a very necessary change because they can't keep doing the same sad Superman thing. Not this much or this way. He has Bruce and WW now. People who can understand him more and be friends with. Plus the world has been witness of how far Superman is willing to go in order to protect the planet. "The general plot I thought was very good in setting things up, but, as Metallo mentioned, it is a little clunkier than it seems like it needs to be plotwise in the beginning, but not too bad." Sure, I get that. Like what parts exactly did you have problems with plotwise? Personally, I think they need to flesh out Lex' motivations a bit more. I understood his father was very powerful and also very cruel with him. Or did I missinterpret? So Lex doesn't think a God-like being like Superman can be all good. He fears him because he doesn't know/understand him. Just like Batman did, until he realized Superman also had a heart when he begged him to find his mother. But yeah, I'd like to know what bothered you plotwise. Like some people thought Bruce's dreams were too weird, and my son said Batman fighting in that dream was one of his fave parts! He thought it was Batman fearing a possible future in which Superman takes complete control over the world. And he's only 15. I plan to see it again this weekend, want to refresh before getting too deep. Will go into more when I do, promise. Thanks for the review btw!
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Post by stargazer0118 on Apr 4, 2016 22:31:07 GMT -5
Should the emp from nuke have knocked out all electronics in the region around metropolis? That was a big point in dark knight returns (which that scene was inspired by) when the nuke went off. Maybe it detonated too high up. But then again batman saw the explosion so they weren't that far away. That's the problem with Snyder wanting to take the scenes from these comics without the same context. Sometimes it doesn't fit with what he's doing logically. I think you are just nitpicking here. Found this today. It's a great analysis/review/opinion on BvS. He/she makes great points about the movie. I just disagree that it's too long. I didn't feel it. I do feel it with Harry Potter movies for instance. Just too long and nothing much happens, haha. Well I enjoyed reading this: www.uglyclubpodcast.com/2016/04/dissenting-opinions-batman-v-superman.html
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Apr 4, 2016 22:36:37 GMT -5
Should the emp from nuke have knocked out all electronics in the region around metropolis? That was a big point in dark knight returns (which that scene was inspired by) when the nuke went off. Maybe it detonated too high up. But then again batman saw the explosion so they weren't that far away. That's the problem with Snyder wanting to take the scenes from these comics without the same context. Sometimes it doesn't fit with what he's doing logically. I think you are just nitpicking here. Found this today. It's a great analysis/review/opinion on BvS. He/she makes great points about the movie. I just disagree that it's too long. I didn't feel it. I do feel it with Harry Potter movies for instance. Just too long and nothing much happens, haha. Well I enjoyed reading this: www.uglyclubpodcast.com/2016/04/dissenting-opinions-batman-v-superman.htmlI think the movie is good- Having the choice of being mostly a Batman movie and starting it (and pretty much keeping it) mostly from Batfleck's point of view was a smart way into that world of heroes, I thought. (I am bummed there was no Green Lantern icon, though...)
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Post by Metallo on Apr 4, 2016 22:56:34 GMT -5
I WISH it had been that...instead of getting bogged down at times in superfluous B plots. B plots like Lex Luthors big jar of piss...
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Post by stargazer0118 on Apr 5, 2016 11:41:54 GMT -5
I WISH it had been that...instead of getting bogged down at times in superfluous B plots. B plots like Lex Luthors big jar of piss... I didn't care much for that Lex/Senator Finch scene. But the Senate scene was superb and important to the overall plot. Looks like Richard Roeper really enjoyed the film. www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZxzsMBIhRY
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Post by atp on Apr 5, 2016 12:07:16 GMT -5
I think BvS was much more colourful and interesting to look at than MoS. Much more like a comic book.
When I think back to MoS, it feels washed out and grey by comparison.
Anyone else have the same impression?
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Post by Metallo on Apr 5, 2016 13:12:44 GMT -5
Yup. The movie had a different dp. Snyder still used filters and desaturation but the whole movie didn't look one that which was a welcome change.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Apr 5, 2016 13:31:14 GMT -5
I think BvS was much more colourful and interesting to look at than MoS. Much more like a comic book. When I think back to MoS, it feels washed out and grey by comparison. Anyone else have the same impression? I begrudingly give Snyder credit for trying to 'change' his regular style in MOS- but it resulted in mostly handheld stuff. With BvS, I felt like it was more of a return to his visual style- when Snyder is cooking, many of his shots are like paintings. I felt it more in that direction here.
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Post by doomsday1 on Apr 7, 2016 8:07:53 GMT -5
A lot of good points. Agree with a lot of what Enrique says though he obviously enjoyed it more than I did. It's just that Superman's characterisation in the film is such a big flaw to me that it's a bit of a deal breaker, as well as structure and choppy editing. I didn't have an issue with Superman in MOS because it was an origin story and he was building towards being classic Superman, which he was to some degree at the end of the film speaking with General Swanwick. However, taking that and Clark Kent smiling in the "Welcome to the planet" ending and going back to mopey/conflicted/in need of validation Superman in BvS is just very awkward and you can tell they've been making it up as they went along. I mean I'm reading some complaints on here about the actor playing the part being a bit wooden, but Superman IS wooden in this, that's the character, not so much the actor. He's got little dialogue and little to do other than to look sad and angry. Think I said to someone before, check out Cavill in the Man from UNCLE and you'll be disappointed and what Snyder and co had at their disposal and chose NOT to use in either of these films, charm, charisma etc.
Anyway I saw it again, I enjoyed it more the second time, I'd revise my score perhaps to a 6.5/10. I still think these characters deserve a much better quality of film. I've been a big defender of Snyder, but he's had big chances now and it's clear that he's not the right guy to take these big projects and make them accessible to the general audience. He's just not enough of a story teller.
To get maximum emotional impact from things like the death of Superman (which should never have been crammed into this film) you need to have the audience fall in love with Superman again, that hasn't happened though. In addition to that you need to build a connection between Batman and Superman, to have Batman say "I'm a friend of your sons" 5 minutes after threatening to drive a spear through his skull just doesn't work for me, these things feel forced and awkward, which was always the worry from the get go when it was announced they'd be trying to cram all of this into one film.
On the death of Superman: While it didn't have the emotional impact it should have had, at his funeral, and with Bruce delivering those lines "I failed him in life" etc, the actual moment of Superman's death was well done, Cavill and Adams really sold it, I think the music does some heavy lifting in that scene too.
Affleck didn't have an easy job coming into this without being able to do any origin or any real fleshing out of his part, so he did a brilliant job and I truly hope he gets his solo Batman films, credit to Snyder, he created an excellent Batman and I'd love to see more of this, all be it with Affleck directing. When he's fighting in that warehouse, that's comfortably the best live action Batman fight we've seen.
One final point with regards to Luthor, Eisenberg is a great actor and for what he had he does a good job, he was genuinely intimidating which isn't easy when you look like he does in this film. But for me this version of Lex is so far removed from the classic version of Lex that we're used to, they might as well have given him another name and just made him separate character. I'd have rather had the tall, untouchable CEO Lex too. But this ties in with what I said previously, Superman and his fans get shortchanged in this film, in fact it's bullpoop from that perspective. He was merely a plot device to enhance Snyder's shiny new toys in Batman and Wonder Woman.
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Post by Metallo on Apr 7, 2016 9:36:53 GMT -5
I think that sums it up perfectly. Snyder wasn't as interested in developing Superman as we know him. One movie later it was the same thing. When he gets to work with Batman and Wonder Woman you can tell they are the kinds of characters he finds much more appealing especially after you look at what he did in 300 and Watchmen. Wonder Woman had a stronger arc than Superman did in BvS and she's on screen for less than 20 minutes.
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Post by doomsday1 on Apr 7, 2016 10:03:45 GMT -5
Yeah it's pretty evident Snyder's a big Batman fan (he's been right up Frank Miller's booty for 3 years now) and almost felt Superman was just in the way in a sense. I gave the guy a good chance, I've defended him a lot because I think MOS was a good (albeit heavily flawed) film, but personally I'd be quite happy if he was never allowed to direct Superman again.
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Post by Metallo on Apr 7, 2016 13:10:51 GMT -5
Dejan, have you seen the rest of his YouTube channel? Adeel is a talented editor. He did a ton of stuff leading up to the BvS release. The guy was a big supporter of MOS and BVS and even he came off disappointed. Too bad some people online beat up on him. I saw on Facebook where he felt like he had to defend himself because the movie didn't live up to his expectations.
Snyder might not make great movies but he shoots great trailer material. I'm really looking forward to seeing fan editors get their hands on as much BvS footage as possible because I think a better movie is in there. Also wouldn't mind someone trying a color altered version like someone did with footage from man of steel.
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Post by atp on Apr 9, 2016 16:14:05 GMT -5
Yeah it's pretty evident Snyder's a big Batman fan (he's been right up Frank Miller's booty for 3 years now) and almost felt Superman was just in the way in a sense. I gave the guy a good chance, I've defended him a lot because I think MOS was a good (albeit heavily flawed) film, but personally I'd be quite happy if he was never allowed to direct Superman again. What were the opinions of the old members on Facebook? Was it generally considered better or worse than MoS?
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Post by Metallo on Apr 9, 2016 17:21:54 GMT -5
www.darkhorizons.com/news/42353/warners-adjusts-post-dawn-of-justice-plansWarners Adjusts Post-"Dawn of Justice" Plans By Garth Franklin Saturday April 9th 2016 12:40PM Warners Adjusts Post-"Dawn of Justice" Plans An extensive piece in Variety discusses the DC Comics cinematic universe moving forward and how 'Dawn of Justice' didn't do what Warner Bros. Pictures expected. As a result, they have had to adjusted plans accordingly. Even so, they claim they are sticking to their original plan with the upcoming "Justice League" movie which goes in a different direction to 'Dawn'. The report says the film is designed to be much more of a "crowd-pleaser" that's far less dark and serious in tone, more straightforward in its existential angst, and "extremely kinetic and visual" in style. Also production executive Jon Berg and Time-Warner CEO Jeff Bewkes are said to be "taking more of a hands-on approach [and are] paying closer attention to overarching story concerns" in the DCEU films coming out from now on. The first two off the block are "Suicide Squad" in August which Heroic Hollywood claims contains "a lot more Batman in the movie than they are letting on". Then there's the solo "Wonder Woman" movie which star Gal Gadot tells Digital Spy is "pretty dark" despite moments of humour.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Apr 12, 2016 13:57:19 GMT -5
www.darkhorizons.com/news/42353/warners-adjusts-post-dawn-of-justice-plansWarners Adjusts Post-"Dawn of Justice" Plans By Garth Franklin Saturday April 9th 2016 12:40PM Warners Adjusts Post-"Dawn of Justice" Plans An extensive piece in Variety discusses the DC Comics cinematic universe moving forward and how 'Dawn of Justice' didn't do what Warner Bros. Pictures expected. As a result, they have had to adjusted plans accordingly. Even so, they claim they are sticking to their original plan with the upcoming "Justice League" movie which goes in a different direction to 'Dawn'. The report says the film is designed to be much more of a "crowd-pleaser" that's far less dark and serious in tone, more straightforward in its existential angst, and "extremely kinetic and visual" in style. Also production executive Jon Berg and Time-Warner CEO Jeff Bewkes are said to be "taking more of a hands-on approach [and are] paying closer attention to overarching story concerns" in the DCEU films coming out from now on. The first two off the block are "Suicide Squad" in August which Heroic Hollywood claims contains "a lot more Batman in the movie than they are letting on". Then there's the solo "Wonder Woman" movie which star Gal Gadot tells Digital Spy is "pretty dark" despite moments of humour. Dark is fine, it just has to be done WELL. (Easier said than done, of course)
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Post by doomsday1 on Apr 13, 2016 8:22:30 GMT -5
Most of the old members like or loved it which surprised me. Thought I'd be the one defending it and most of them would hate it. Good for them though, if they enjoyed it that's all that counts in the end.
At least Affleck's officially getting his solo Batman film. That has fantastic potential
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Post by atp on Apr 13, 2016 10:00:56 GMT -5
Most of the old members like or loved it which surprised me. Thought I'd be the one defending it and most of them would hate it. Good for them though, if they enjoyed it that's all that counts in the end. At least Affleck's officially getting his solo Batman film. That has fantastic potential It's an easier film to like. It's the first superman movie in ages to have something original. SR and MoS were both remakes of STM in a way. BvS is at least something fresh.
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