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Post by Metallo on Jun 13, 2017 15:45:29 GMT -5
Sounds like some serious watching! Reya was a definite improvement over Astra and Non. Hatcher is really good at being bad. I wish Cain had been involved in the finale somehow. Rumor was the producers were trying to get Cain and Hatcher in a scene together but I guess if didn't work out.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jun 13, 2017 20:13:00 GMT -5
Sounds like some serious watching! Reya was a definite improvement over Astra and Non. Hatcher is really good at being bad. I wish Cain had been involved in the finale somehow. Rumor was the producers were trying to get Cain and Hatcher in a scene together but I guess if didn't work out. I think they had the right material in general- but the depth (that could have been given) wasn't really there, imo. The finale had the production values in spades, but the 'challenge' with Hatcher felt lame on a few levels for me in execution. I would have rather that Reva be allowed to send her best warrior to battle Supergirl instead- and that there have been more to Monel's viewing of his mom's death. There could have/ should have been more layers to that moment- but it was played out pretty one-dimensionally imo. In any case- while not perfect, I agree that Supergirl is the best 'superman' series so far on tv....
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Post by Metallo on Jun 14, 2017 16:09:37 GMT -5
It had to be Reya herself vs Supergirl. Anything else would have been too impersonal for such a personal grudge. She hates Kara so she'd want to kill her. Big problem I had is why wouldn't Kara feel the effects of Reyas kryptonite blood poisoning as soon as she met her? Great idea but it wasn't very well thought out. Her armor couldn't have had lead in it because lead is poisonous to Daxamites.
It's like I said before I think the finale felt a little weak because it was all rushed. Miss Martian came back, Superman vs Supergirl, Cadmus? Wrapping all that up in one episode? It wasn't enough. There was too much character and story stuff to deal with to wrap it all up properly. Mind altered Superman could have been one whole episode. Supergirl vs Reya could have been one episode. the DC CW shows had this same problem except for Legends and arguably Arrow. Flash really suffered from it.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jun 15, 2017 1:28:15 GMT -5
It had to be Reya herself vs Supergirl. Anything else would have been too impersonal for such a personal grudge. She hates Kara so she'd want to kill her. Big problem I had is why wouldn't Kara feel the effects of Reyas kryptonite blood poisoning as soon as she met her? Great idea but it wasn't very well thought out. Her armor couldn't have had lead in it because lead is poisonous to Daxamites. It's like I said before I think the finale felt a little weak because it was all rushed. Miss Martian came back, Superman vs Supergirl, Cadmus? Wrapping all that up in one episode? It wasn't enough. There was too much character and story stuff to deal with to wrap it all up properly. Mind altered Superman could have been one whole episode. Supergirl vs Reya could have been one episode. the DC CW shows had this same problem except for Legends and arguably Arrow. Flash really suffered from it. I wonder if it comes close to the end of the season where they pick script 'a' if it looks like it's going to be renewed versus script 'b'.... and/or shortened amount of episodes by the network.
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Post by Metallo on Jun 15, 2017 11:32:54 GMT -5
I don't think that was an issue. If it had been cbs maybe. Supergirls renewal status and episode count has been a lock for a while and with being on CW I think they knew they were safe. I think the issues came down to budget and just poor planning on their parts. They probably had to do some rewriting for budgetary and whatever other reasons and a lot of that probably happened later in the season.
It's an expensive show when fhey can only afford the post production plus certain guest stars in only so many episodes. That limits what they can do story wise and where and when certain characters get used. Notice how they wrote J'Onn out for a little bit and I doubt that was only because it fit the story. They killed two birds with one stone there by explaining how he wouldn't be here to help and saved some money in the budget
It was obvious where it was all leading months ago but they probably only had so much money they could have budgeted for one big episode vs three. That's why the finale was a big blowout where the episodes leading up to it was buildup when we needed at least two big episodes just to wrap all this stuff up. There's also the matter of how many episodes they can use Superman in contractually. May have only been one at the end of the season.
Star Trek DS9 used to be so much better at this even though a lot of their season finales were full on cliffhangers.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jun 16, 2017 10:40:25 GMT -5
I don't think that was an issue. If it had been cbs maybe. Supergirls renewal status and episode count has been a lock for a while and with being on CW I think they knew they were safe. I think the issues came down to budget and just poor planning on their parts. They probably had to do some rewriting for budgetary and whatever other reasons and a lot of that probably happened later in the season. It's an expensive show when fhey can only afford the post production plus certain guest stars in only so many episodes. That limits what they can do story wise and where and when certain characters get used. Notice how they wrote J'Onn out for a little bit and I doubt that was only because it fit the story. They killed two birds with one stone there by explaining how he wouldn't be here to help and saved some money in the budget It was obvious where it was all leading months ago but they probably only had so much money they could have budgeted for one big episode vs three. That's why the finale was a big blowout where the episodes leading up to it was buildup when we needed at least two big episodes just to wrap all this stuff up. There's also the matter of how many episodes they can use Superman in contractually. May have only been one at the end of the season. Star Trek DS9 used to be so much better at this even though a lot of their season finales were full on cliffhangers. One thing that threw me when I attended a "Smallville" panel was hearing how --- believe it or not --- exchange rates affected some episodes of Smallville where they had budgeted 'x' or 'y' but then if the US dollar went down, it did have a big affect. It's a little hard to believe that exchange rates changed that much, but then again, who knows how much money is being discussed. In any case, considering how they limited Cat Grant's role (thank goodness) due to budget constraints going from CBS to CW--- and considering how "Supergirl" has the best effects of any Superman tv show so far, (Thank you Berlianti for not making Supergirl 'the blur') I agree that the last few episodes were too crunched and rushed, but I'll forgive it (for now), considering how poorly some of the season finales of Smallville were, after a giant build-up.
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Post by Metallo on Jun 16, 2017 12:58:30 GMT -5
I can believe it. Part of the reason to shoot in Canada is because it's cheaper. It's why the X-Files production didn't want to move from Vancouver to LA when Ducovney was complaining. So it makes a difference and even small uneven changes in exchange rates can probably screw up their budgets per episode or across the whole season. The drop of Australian currency back in the early 2000s helped stall mad max fury road when Gibson was still involved.
On a technical level Supergirl blows smallville away. I know it's had 6 to 15 years for effects advancements but even excluding that compare the average of episode of smallville from 2011 to a Supergirl from 2015 and the difference is huge. The costuming is better, the wirework is better, the lighting and music are better. The sets are better. It's very impressive.
I was comparing smallvilles Flash episode to CWs Flash and...there is no comparison. To give smallville credit the learning process and growing pains that show went through probably helped the CW make its current superhero shows better. But what they can do on tv budgets now is impressive. In just 20 years the leap has been even more massive compared to Lois and Clark. Budgets a factor but L&C and Smallville didn't have small budgets.
I think it's just the leap in technology and experience. Things like 3D printing and body scanning for tv probably helped a lot. I think they've figured out what materials work best, found what works after a lot of trial, and error and stuck with it. Vixens costume on Lois and Clark looked ok so even back then it was possible. Then again the Kryptonian costumes non and astra wore didn't look much better than the Kryptonian costumes from Lois & Clark.
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