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Post by EnriqueH on Jun 27, 2013 20:29:35 GMT -5
I don't think future Superman movies are "captive" of the Donnerverse. I think Superman fans do want to see great Superman movies being made. They've had over 20 years to bounce back from SIV and they haven't entirely succeeded IMO.
Part of me does have a bit of a meloncholy,detachment since it's hard to let go of Reeve's portrayal, but a great Superman movie---great Superman anything---help keep Superman relevant and therefore his history.
So no matter how sad I am that the Donnerverse is past us, I still root for Superman.
The problem isn't moving on from Reeve/Donner. The problem is that they can't make a great picture. Superman Returns---while attempting to keep the Donnerverse alive---was a disappointment because it was mostly drama. Man of Steel had the opposite problem. Both are arguably good films---both have their fans---but there are enough flaws in both films that keep it from being an airtight case of a great film, like Superman: The Movie, Star Wars, Wizard of Oz, etc.
So if Superman: The Movie keeps anything captive, it's that there is a high bar set. A genuinely good movie was made in 1978 that qualifies as a classic. Can today's filmmakers do anything as good? That remains to be seen, but if STM has proven anything, it's that it's not as easy as Donner made it look.
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MoS vs S3
Jun 27, 2013 16:34:30 GMT -5
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Post by EnriqueH on Jun 27, 2013 16:34:30 GMT -5
There is definitely an incredible buzz you get, just from the fact that you are in the cinema watching a new Superman on the big screen. I can't deny that. The question is, will that euphoria last? It won't. I thought SR was an awesome movie, but slowly came to the realization it was kinda poopty. MoS will have a higher place in Superman lore, but it still didnt hit all the right notes.
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Post by EnriqueH on Jun 27, 2013 12:28:34 GMT -5
Totally.
The other moment that captures the despair of the scene and how Superman was too tied up to save everyone was right after Superman gets crushed by the Marlboro truck.
When the cop says, "Where's your wife, sir?" Whatever extra thy was really sold the line.
Man, just thinking about it, Superman II was awesome.
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Post by EnriqueH on Jun 27, 2013 12:22:58 GMT -5
For all the flack Superman II gets, they did show people getting hurt. And Superman couldn't be around to help them all.
As a kid, I always kinda felt bad for the lady sitting in the sidewalk, whimpering, "Superman, help us."
But Superman was too busy fighting.
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Post by EnriqueH on Jun 27, 2013 12:17:41 GMT -5
Take my hand and swear eternal loyalty to Stamp.
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Post by EnriqueH on Jun 27, 2013 6:45:51 GMT -5
Do people that voted for Shannon like him, or the fact that he caused more explosions than Stamp did (and also had a world engine)? Speaking of voting, the vote must be unanimous, ATP...
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Post by EnriqueH on Jun 26, 2013 22:19:11 GMT -5
Donner's Zod was perfect. The portrayal by Terence Stamp at the beginning of STM was and still is incredible. He brings more to STM than even Brando did. So did you vote Stamp or Shannon?
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Post by EnriqueH on Jun 26, 2013 21:40:32 GMT -5
Kevin, if a new movie is better than an old one, I'll straight up say so.
Take the new Battlestar Galactica.
Yeah, the old show has some cool poop, including nostalgia, but for me, the new show is clearly superior: better writing and better directing.
MoS has some cool poop going for it, but substance, writing, and chemistry is not one of them.
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Post by EnriqueH on Jun 26, 2013 19:55:01 GMT -5
I have to see the movie a second time.
I remember there were a few instances from the beginning to middle where I thought that MoS nailed it and successfully rebooted the series with a Batman Begins caliber film.
By the end, the film lost that. As I said, I've only seen the movie once and need a second viewing to examine it a bit more to find out where the movie lost me, because I can't tell you why it did. All I remember is that in the middle, my friend and I looked at each other and were like, "frackING AWESOME." When the credits started, we looked at each other again and said, casually, "I liked it."
I really think it has to do with the film lacking substance and going beyond eye candy and action.
Any way I slice it, I prefer Superman II, flaws and all, to MoS. Why? Because Superman II's strengths are stronger than MoS strengths and SII's strengths elevate the film.
MoS has strong performances, Superman II has iconic performances. Superman II makes me feel for the characters throughout, MoS does in tiny, tiny doses. Superman II has memorable music, I can't remember a SINGLE tune from MoS. MoS has better special effects, but they're emptier feeling because the story isn't a heartfelt as the one in SII.
I think it comes down to performances and story execution.
Oh, and chemistry among the cast. Everyone was strong individually, but I didn't sense much comraderie among the cast members.
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MoS vs S3
Jun 26, 2013 17:45:55 GMT -5
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Post by EnriqueH on Jun 26, 2013 17:45:55 GMT -5
I'll take any version of II over MoS.
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MoS vs S3
Jun 26, 2013 11:45:19 GMT -5
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Post by EnriqueH on Jun 26, 2013 11:45:19 GMT -5
MoS is a better movie, but SIII has Reeve in a great performance.
SIII.
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Post by EnriqueH on Jun 25, 2013 20:49:32 GMT -5
but the hardcore nerds, there's this underlying malice, a simmering nerd rage that has existed long before Man of Steel was even a seed of an idea. I don't mean to be a smartass, but that's EXACTLY how I feel about the new Star Wars movie. The prequels, particularly TPM, was such a painful experience that the disgruntled fans are just waiting, savoring the opportunity---any opportunity---to lash out at the dear object of their affection from their childhood. Just to prove that they're now all grown up and don't need SW.
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Post by EnriqueH on Jun 25, 2013 20:44:17 GMT -5
I'm surprised by how little people are voting in the polls these days.
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Post by EnriqueH on Jun 25, 2013 12:45:21 GMT -5
Lots of controversy going into MoS.
So what do you all think of him now? Has your opinion changed?
Me?
I was kinda excited about Snyder directing Superman. I enjoyed Dawn of the Dead, loved 300, thought Watchmen was a mixed bag but mostly kinda sucked and Sucker Punch was awful.
At this point, Zack is reminding me a little of M. Night Shymalan.
He did a a few entertaining films and then started to suck pretty consistently.
While I don't consider Man of Steel a bad film, I can't help but think it could've been better.
So my feelings of Snyder have dwindled considerably. He can definitely do eye candy, but I'm no longer convinced he can execute substance.
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Post by EnriqueH on Jun 25, 2013 12:37:11 GMT -5
Zod's shouting at the beginning of STM was intense.
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Post by EnriqueH on Jun 25, 2013 9:20:46 GMT -5
Nobody wants a sentimental replica of a team long since vanished....
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Post by EnriqueH on Jun 25, 2013 7:51:01 GMT -5
And therin lies one of the major problems with stamp, his zod isn't even consistently portrayed over the course of a single movie. Sent from my XT907 using ProBoards Why do you say this to me??? When you know I will kill you for it?!
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Post by EnriqueH on Jun 25, 2013 0:42:00 GMT -5
Non-issue.
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Post by EnriqueH on Jun 24, 2013 22:43:44 GMT -5
I have to see MoS a second time, but I don't think it will stand up to multiple viewings.
The same poop happened with SR. Most of us were stoked at first, but then we slowly realized it wasn't great.
They simply haven't been able to nail Superman.
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Post by EnriqueH on Jun 24, 2013 22:30:19 GMT -5
Stamp
I really, really liked Shannon, but i think it's perfectly obvious he's not going down in the history books as a top 25 villain.
Stamp's Zod is.
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Post by EnriqueH on Jun 24, 2013 8:03:51 GMT -5
Yeah, I had no idea it was a zombie movie until a week or so ago.
I'm a little more forgiving of the "Indiana Jones ants" effects of people piling on each other and out of sinking buses if those are zombies.
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Post by EnriqueH on Jun 23, 2013 17:31:46 GMT -5
I really don't know if a Krypton story could be told at this point. Even if it's the best thing ever written, Superman's origin has been retold over and over so many times that it's cliche at this point.
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Post by EnriqueH on Jun 23, 2013 17:16:23 GMT -5
Adjusted for inflation, MOS is still around $40 million away from exceeded the boxoffice of Superman Returns.
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Post by EnriqueH on Jun 23, 2013 17:00:14 GMT -5
Batman Begins. Easily. It's just a better put together movie and it also felt like it was treading more new ground that no Batman movie or tv show had ever covered before. Yeah, that's the problem, I guess. There had never been a good Batman origin movie, (not trying to hurt anyone's feelings, but I did not care for the 1989 film very much). Whereas Superman has already been done well. I keep thinking of Margot Kidder's comment about how they haven't been able to put Humpty Dumpty back together again. They really haven't. They tried to go all substance and little action in SR, and got a disappointing result. Then they went all out action and little substance and still didn't nail it. Hopefully the next Superman film, if there is one, will nail it. Let's see.
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Post by EnriqueH on Jun 23, 2013 16:39:13 GMT -5
I'm surprised by the amount of "love" MoS is getting in the other poll.
I don't consider it as successful of a reboot artistically as Batman Begins (or Casino Royale for that matter), but what do you guys think?
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