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Post by adam15 on Mar 7, 2009 19:32:38 GMT -5
Feel free to put this in the diner if it's illegal... but anywayz...
I downloaded the Hybrid Cut by A Digital Man via torrent. It's pretty good... had the DP jump and a smooth enough transition from the Niagra rescue to the pink bear scene so that was good. I liked that he used the Care to step outside line but hated that he used Superman "gliding" off the pole from the DC cut. Even worse was not fixing Supes sped up line about not being a coward and the unforgivable... he didn't use Thornes score when Supes crushes Zods hand.
I guess he also wanted to make SII fit with SR so he didn't have Supes destroy the fortress. I HATED that decision because SR makes no sense anyway you slice it because in BOTH cuts of SII the crystals were destroyed anyway plus Brando shouldnt even be IN SR if you put Brando in SII but whatever....
Well I guess this cut IS superior to the Donner cut... but not by much. Any other sugestions about the best SII fan cuts??
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 7, 2009 21:13:08 GMT -5
I only know of a handful (mostly from here on the forums)--- but each one has had something I've really enjoyed from them:
* The IRC is the 'ultimate' fan cut in many ways... constantly referred to here, and has shots and bits that haven't appeared ANYWHERE in any official capacity. Pity that editor didn't work on the Donner cut!
* Maverick/Jimbo's is one of the most ambitious. Extremely creative, a lot of choices I wouldn't have thought of.... dug it bigtime...the ending I especially was caught off guard for, and thought was especially clever. Jimbo also has a good cut, with different choices.
* Verisimilitude and RKS's technically seem the cleanest audiowise, which I envy- and again, other interesting choices- RKS's has some great extra touches with sfx as well that really worked for me, that felt like it fit the film.
* Crazy Asian Man's sucks, because he can never finish the Metropolis battle for some bizzaro reason and keeps obsessing endlessly over it. Be sure to skip that one. ;p
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Post by Ollie W on Mar 7, 2009 21:36:14 GMT -5
Just letting everyone know that a slightly revised version of my SII edit will be released soon.
The general feedback that I received was that people loved my cut but felt the audio was lacking as far as volume and substance was concerned.
Using a different process then before I've created a much stronger soundtrack though it is still a two channel mix.
Since I choose to revisit SII, naturally I've made a couple of new changes. These are predominantly music edits where I've tried to use more of Thorne's score rather then the at times compromised Williams’s score. I'm really happy with the results and there isn't much left to do.
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Post by Ollie W on Mar 7, 2009 21:42:44 GMT -5
Even worse was not fixing Supes sped up line about not being a coward and the unforgivable... It was scratchy audio to begin with and Thau just made it cleaner. In any case Thau did make it sound awful but I just thought I'd point it out that he didn't speed it up. I fixed it for my cut though. |
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Post by atp on Mar 8, 2009 4:04:01 GMT -5
I think the Selutron version will be the best.
I hear it's being released to coincide with the centenial of STM.
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Post by adam15 on Mar 8, 2009 4:32:42 GMT -5
Ah jeez..2078?? That's 69 years!! I'll bet Thau Jr. will completely re-edit STM in 2078 and will make most excellent use of the Evil Theme ("Duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-DUUUUUUHHH-duh-duh!!!!) Seriously, I'm sure mav and jimbo made some nice SII cuts.... but I could never live without the baloon bustout and having Superman NOT destroy the fortress.. bad choices IMHO. I also can't believe that some folks here like Paris better than the DP jump... but then they use the DP jump in their cuts.....  I also don't understand why people still like the RIC when you could essentially make the RIC PLUS Brando using the existing DVDs. Sentimental reasons I guess... but the RIC has only a few extended Donner bits NO Brando all the Lester camp plus a whole bunch of extra Lester junk which bogs the film down. I don't see why there is a use for the RIC anymore... I know I said I liked the DP jump best but the more I think about it and the more fan cuts I see, the more I think paris should just be used. The DP jump is great but it doesn't exactly fit with the TON of Lester Lois and Clark scenes that have to be used after it. Yep... I need to find (or make) a cut of SII that uses the Lester frame work with all Donners stuff except the DP jump, the screentest, and the time reversal. AND the Thorne score needs to be put back everywhere and the Lester humor must be minimized. Anyone make a cut like this? I'd be pretty simple to do and I'm sure if a cut like this had been released in 1980... no one would have cared about any alternate versions. This cut would prolly be at least 60-65% Donner anyway... not bad when he only ever shot 70% in the first place. Also, one thing I do miss about watching the threatrical SII is the opening credits. I don't know about you guys but I think the STM clips were flawlessly edited against the thorne music... Lester's credits make me feel so pumped up... like watching a Rocky training montage! I remember being kinda dissappointed as a kid watching STM for the first time when I realised "Hey I already saw all the good stuff from this in the SII credits!! What's the point of even watching this" |
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Post by albertd on Mar 8, 2009 4:38:11 GMT -5
My fan edit of course!  ;D It was my very first movie and I've done my best with the knowledge I had at that time, but unfortunately nobody liked it. (I wonder how many people have actually watched my edit..) I have edited another (holiday) movie for a colleague if mine. It was about her stay in South Africa. She liked my work very much and she even gave me some money for it. I won't edit another Superman movie and I'm sure that's a relief to the people out here. Maybe I will make some more movie trailers in the future, but no complete movies.. About the other fan edits.. Of course Selutron's professional work impressed me the most, but he didn't edit a complete movie. I'm also a big fan of ADigitalMan and CrazyAsianMan. There are so many other great fan editors here.. |
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Post by MerM on Mar 8, 2009 5:00:16 GMT -5
It wasn't terrible (to be honest, a lot of it seemed like it was taken from the Lester version verbatim) but Alex proclaiming it the "laugh-out-loud comedy of the year" blew it waaaaaaaaaay out of proportion. Even the Medveds were more respectful (to say nothing of SUBTLE) than that.
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Post by adam15 on Mar 8, 2009 5:13:23 GMT -5
Dude, Albert what was your cut like? Taken from the Lester cut verbaitim? You know sometimes people show off a bit too much with fan cuts... the best thing to do with a cut (especially SII a film we all grew up on... 'ON' (not with) I mean we were on it like a drug) is to leave it alone as much as possible.
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Post by albertd on Mar 8, 2009 6:31:12 GMT -5
Like I said, I've done my best with the knowledge I had at that time. I think I've done a good job..especially for an absolute beginner. But of course I would do things differently these days. I have burned/saved it on dvd of course and it's with all of the other different versions of Superman II in my huge Superman collection. My cut? Well, I had a "different" approach. I made a new "hologram Jor-El" scene in the Fortress and I made my own Jor-El speech. It was almost at the beginning of the movie. Peter "Spider-Man" Parker had a very small cameo appearance and Supergirl also had a large part in my cut. She's even talking to gen. Zod (at the Metropolis battle) in my cut! And of course Supergirl touching Superman's poster was in my cut.. At the end of my cut I had Superman (Christopher Reeve) flying away from the viewers and Brandon Routh (as Superman) coming back and doing the flyby. I did that on purpose..as a respectful farewell to Christopher Reeve (RIP  ) and a welcome to the new Superman Brandon Routh. I didn't end with the Superman march, but I used "Can You Read My Mind" (sung by Maureen McGovern) instead..giving the end credits a kind of "James Bond-like end title song" feeling.. I actually had 3 different people flying just before the end credits: Supergirl Helen Slater flying home with the Omegahedron in her hand, Chris Reeve flying away from the viewer and Brandon Routh coming back and doing his flyby. Maybe that was too much of a good thing, but I also tried to edit/end the music just before Maureen McGovern started to sing. I also used the COMPLETE dialogue between Superman and Lois in the break up scene at the Fortress. The dialogue in the Donner Cut is not complete, so I used the dialogue taken from the RIC. Unfortunately there was a huge picture quality difference between the dvd rip and the footage from the RIC, but I used it anyway and I've tried to edit things as smoothly as possible. I also used "WARNER BROS presents" (taken from SR) instead of "ALEXANDER SALKIND presents" at the beginning of the movie. I also shortened Zod's shouting at Jor-El at the beginning of the movie. |
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Post by albertd on Mar 8, 2009 7:07:56 GMT -5
It wasn't terrible (to be honest, a lot of it seemed like it was taken from the Lester version verbatim) but Alex proclaiming it the "laugh-out-loud comedy of the year" blew it waaaaaaaaaay out of proportion. Even the Medveds were more respectful (to say nothing of SUBTLE) than that. I offered Alex to send him a dvd, but he didn't want to have it. |
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Post by MerM on Mar 8, 2009 8:13:29 GMT -5
Eh, Alex was being a jerk and we all went along with him initially - me included.
Yeah, in retrospect... sorry about that, man.
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Post by albertd on Mar 8, 2009 9:00:35 GMT -5
That's okay, MrM.  No hard feelings.. But I won't make another Superman fan cut. |
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Post by TylerDurden389 on Mar 8, 2009 11:16:44 GMT -5
The only fan cuts I haven't seen (to my knowledge) are the Deja-vu cut and the Booshman cut, although I've seen bits and pieces on youtube. That being said, for me it's a tie between the RKS and Veris' cut. Of course there are things that other editors have done (I'm looking at you CAM) that I really enjoyed. I'm still waiting (patiently), for Veris' V.2, CAM's, and of course, Selutron's.
The only other fan edit I watch on a regular basis is ADigitalman's 'Redeemed'.
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Post by EvilSupes on Mar 8, 2009 12:27:40 GMT -5
The best two cuts I have seen, are Ollie's and ADM's. Both are very polished cuts and use the best parts from both versions of SII carefully. A lot of cuts I've seen like to completely ignore Lester's content which just makes everything harder to make much of an improvement over the Donner cut. At one point I was making my own cut, and I was remaking all the 3D titles in After Effects that matched STM, which I did successfully. However other parts really needed remaking as well, such as the phantom zone escape and I just couldn't be bothered recreating anymore effects because it was just so time consuming. God knows how Selutron had the patience to rotoscope frame by frame in all the clips he did. |
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Post by adam15 on Mar 8, 2009 18:18:33 GMT -5
Ehhhh.... well Albert I'm not gonna lie I have zero interest in seeing your cut now that I've seen the trailer. (unless I'm totally wasted then it would be fun to watch) But seriously the whole point of a fan cut is to make a version YOU are happy with so if that is your ideal version of SII then there's nothing wrong with that! So you guys is the Boosherman cut any good? I here in his version Lois DOESNT jump out the widow.... then why would he put it in his Cut? ? Whatever.... just tell me he uses Thornes music for Superman's DP arrival, the hand crush, and the returning the flag. Those are the three key moment of SII that you cheer and I'm tired of people changing them! Oh and Thornes music when Superman is giving the tanker a good blowjob.. it was perfect why change it??? And I'll stick by my assessment that you cant have the DP jump opening without Lois jumping.... why would Lois realise Clark is Superman and then wait 45 min to actualy test it?? |
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Post by albertd on Mar 8, 2009 23:27:48 GMT -5
Ehhhh.... well Albert I'm not gonna lie I have zero interest in seeing your cut now that I've seen the trailer. (unless I'm totally wasted then it would be fun to watch) But seriously the whole point of a fan cut is to make a version YOU are happy with so if that is your ideal version of SII then there's nothing wrong with that! No problem, Adam. It was my first and final fan cut. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 9, 2009 0:08:25 GMT -5
Hey Albert, I actually have not watched your full edit- but I'd love a copy of one if you want to PM me on that. Watching parts of a whole on youtube has been too frustrating to me, in general, as well as downloading rars which seems to bug out my computer bigtime.
A Digital Man's work has gotten a lot of rave reviews on the fancut site. I'm curious, but, as mentioned above, downloading causes all kinds of horror on my computer. *oh well*
Frame-by-frame rotoscoping is a horror, not to mention sound editing, so I tip my hat at his work.
Ollie, will this be available for trade? Would love to see it.
Thanks for the encouragement, TylerDurden! (and you too, Albert!) I am hunkering down this year, still recovering from some health stuff, but have decided to put a 'stop' on much of my obsession with never-ending rotoscoping/compositing of the Supes II battle and try to finish the damn thing by the end of this year. ((Hopefully society doesn't fall apart in the meantime))
For my part, you hit the nail on the head- sentimental reasons- the first time prior to the Donner cut that we got to see anything more (plus the Donner stuff is cut better than the RDC, ironically)- that was shot but not used.
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Post by atp on Mar 9, 2009 12:03:18 GMT -5
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Post by stargazer01 on Mar 9, 2009 12:25:53 GMT -5
I think the Selutron version will be the best. I hear it's being released to coincide with the centenial of STM. ;D |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 9, 2009 16:09:10 GMT -5
Read that section of the Mankiewicz when it first came out.... I got chills first reading it, imagining the scale of that scene had Donner not been fired--- but that's a tough one to recreate, particularly without Terence Stamp or a good voice double....I was hoping Selutron would've tried to recreate that, though. His White house bits seem really cool, but woulda been neater if he was able to composite it just like originally intended.... (And I'm far too lazy to do it myself...) |
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Post by Ollie W on Mar 9, 2009 22:32:39 GMT -5
Ollie, will this be available for trade? Would love to see it. Yes I will be making it available for trade and download. |
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Post by adam15 on Mar 9, 2009 23:24:54 GMT -5
WHat is your cut like Ollie? Will it be available via torrent?
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Post by adam15 on Mar 10, 2009 1:17:45 GMT -5
Ehhhh.... well Albert I'm not gonna lie I have zero interest in seeing your cut now that I've seen the trailer. (unless I'm totally wasted then it would be fun to watch) But seriously the whole point of a fan cut is to make a version YOU are happy with so if that is your ideal version of SII then there's nothing wrong with that! No problem, Adam. It was my first and final fan cut. Dude, just because everyone else hates your fan cuts (and maybe rightly so ) doesn't mean you gotta stop making them. Your cut is just as "official" as anyone elses so if you enjoy making and watching them then nothing is stopping you. |
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Post by Shane on Mar 10, 2009 4:12:35 GMT -5
I would reccomend the cut of superman 2 done by ollie w and also Mav's cut
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) and a welcome to the new Superman Brandon Routh. I didn't end with the Superman march, but I used "Can You Read My Mind" (sung by Maureen McGovern) instead..giving the end credits a kind of "James Bond-like end title song" feeling..
No hard feelings.. But I won't make another Superman fan cut.