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Post by booshman on Aug 3, 2012 2:03:21 GMT -5
Dr. Samuel Platt from the pilot came into the restaurant. I almost gushed but then remembered he probably doesn't even REMEMBER filming that fucking thing. Cool. He pops up in other things every now and then, but I always remember him as Platt. |
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Post by starchild on Aug 11, 2012 16:12:27 GMT -5
It's back on Television if your Cable or Satellite TV carries HUB Channel.www.hubworld.com/It's on Sunday Night 8pm Eastern Standard Time ... and its shows three shows back to back and repeat itself. I enjoy watching them now and then. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2012 16:33:21 GMT -5
Sure is great to flip through channels and see Lois and Clark on again.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2012 21:22:50 GMT -5
I've been watching some of the reruns on Hub. First time I've seen it in a few years. Cain's Superman is laughably bad, but his take on Clark is pretty great. He's square, but also assertive and principled. He and Hatcher had great chemistry.
I think it would have been a better show if they had just ditched the Superman connection entirely. The writers didn't seem interested in the superhero aspects, other than using a power or two to conveniently move the plot along. If it had been an original dramedy about 2 reporters in a big city investigating strange crime, without Superman, it wouldn't have changed the show much.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2012 23:56:08 GMT -5
I was able to get the last two seasons for $10 each from Best Buy a while back. Once I'm finished with Smallville, I'll run through Lois & Clark. Funny, the last three seasons of Smallville virtually turned into a remake of Lois & Clark in a sense. However, L&C had a better ensemble cast for the newsroom. In Smallville, it was Lois, Clark, then a bunch of random people running around.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2012 13:04:43 GMT -5
I've been watching some of the reruns on Hub. First time I've seen it in a few years. Cain's Superman is laughably bad, but his take on Clark is pretty great. He's square, but also assertive and principled. He and Hatcher had great chemistry.
I think it would have been a better show if they had just ditched the Superman connection entirely. The writers didn't seem interested in the superhero aspects, other than using a power or two to conveniently move the plot along. If it had been an original dramedy about 2 reporters in a big city investigating strange crime, without Superman, it wouldn't have changed the show much. totally agree. Love his take on clark |
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Post by Metallo on Aug 12, 2012 13:21:38 GMT -5
Reeves always did the "investigative reporter" bit better than Cain.
L&C was crazy to replace Landes with Whalen and fire Tracy Scoggins. Something I never really forgave the show for. That and writing out Luthor so soon.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 12, 2012 16:53:51 GMT -5
Well, the showrunner/creator of the show got axed/left right after the first season--- and presumably ABC or WB wanted the changes, rather than her.
L&C was best in the first season--- I wonder if the quality would have still waned or would have been far better if they kept the original creator? Hard to know....
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Post by starchild on Aug 12, 2012 20:06:44 GMT -5
Well, the showrunner/creator of the show got axed/left right after the first season--- and presumably ABC or WB wanted the changes, rather than her. L&C was best in the first season--- I wonder if the quality would have still waned or would have been far better if they kept the original creator? Hard to know.... You made a good point here ... I'm wondering the same thing as you. I forgot all about that. Note: My Avatar and Signature are permanent ... I decided to use my photos and convert them to avatar and decided to leave the animated alone. I'm tired of the hot-linking messages come up ... |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2012 20:59:14 GMT -5
One thing I think Smallville definitely did better than L&C was Clark's relationship with his parents. The bumbling old people in L&C make me cringe, but I totally buy the chemistry between Welling, O'Toole, and Schnieder. Their family dynamic was one of the best things about Smallville in the early years. It's what I'd want should I and my wife have a child.
heck, one scene of Glen Ford and what's-his-name was better than four seasons of screen time for Cain and those doofus parents.
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Post by ye5man on Aug 13, 2012 4:19:17 GMT -5
Hated Eddie Jones as Pa Kent. Terrible actor.
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Post by Conor on Aug 13, 2012 6:58:36 GMT -5
Eddie Jones was AWFUL! He's awful in everything he's in. Lane smith ruled. Love him. Landes too was brilliant. I think had they kept that Joy one the ratings would have been the same as what they were. Season two and three, although awful were higher rated than season one.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2012 7:23:31 GMT -5
Lane Smith was brilliant, probably the best in the show overall.
Gotta say Shea was fantastic as Luthor too, surprised he hasn't had a more glittering career.
Didn't hate Eddie Jones as much as you guys did but I admit he's not great and should stick to basketball
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Post by cypher85 on Aug 13, 2012 8:03:56 GMT -5
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Post by Valentine Smith on Aug 13, 2012 8:48:53 GMT -5
After watching the first season again last year, I was reminded why I enjoy that show so much. L&C Season One is every bit as good and valid an interpretation of the Superman mythos as STM, STAS, or AoS. It's still flawed, but it's tremendously enjoyable and incredibly faithful to the Superman comics of the late 80s/early 90s.
Haven't been able to bring myself to watch the later seasons, though...
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Post by Metallo on Aug 13, 2012 9:44:18 GMT -5
Season one of AOS kicks the sh** out of season one of L&C though. The only thing that did more for superheroes in other media before this was The Adventures of Captain Marvel.
L&C had a few great actors but the AOS cast was better overall. Hatcher was at her best (and hottest) during season one but she was much more whiny than Coates who might be a top three Lois. Larson is the definitive Jimmy Olsen so far. That character got his own comic because of Larson. Reeves vs Cain?...no contest. More charisma in his pinkey than Cain had in his whole body.
As much as a like Richard Belzer he doesn't touch Robert Shayne as Henderson. Lane Smith was a great Perry White though. And Shea was a fantastic, if poorly understood Lex Luthor.
AOS season one had a NOIR look to that was very appealing it and I'd stack Crime Wave, The Human Bomb, or The Stolen Costume against L&C's best anytime.
AOS and STAS had a lot of episodes that were similar to L&C ones but L&C always came up short as far as overall quality. Even the Flash which had a lot of similarities to Lois & Clark was a better show. Bilson and DeMeo understood these kinds of characters better than Lil Debbie Levine. Thats why the Rocketeer was so awesome. The Flash had the same limitations that forced the the show to focus more on Barry but Barry came off more naturally as an everyman than Clark Kent ever will. The Flash figured out their balance between superheroics and everyday guy much better.
K Callan was a good Martha Kent but that new age hipster shit is so 90's and Jones was awful. Smallville definitely beat L&C when it came to the Kents.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2012 10:47:49 GMT -5
I'll never understand the hate for Jones. He's one of my favorite Pa's. He's the most loving of them all, for sure. The most like a down home dad.
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Post by Kamdan on Aug 13, 2012 11:22:16 GMT -5
AOS and STAS had a lot of episodes that were similar to L&C ones but L&C always came up short as far as overall quality. Even the Flash which had a lot of similarities to Lois & Clark was a better show. Bilson and DeMeo understood these kinds of characters better than Lil Debbie Levine. Thats why the Rocketeer was so awesome. The Flash had the same limitations that forced the the show to focus more on Barry but Barry came off more naturally as an everyman than Clark Kent ever will. The Flash figured out their balance between superheroics and everyday guy much better. It would have been interesting if Bilson and DeMeo got to develop a Superman television series. I guess Warners thought it was a good idea to make it more like Moonlighting, rather than taking the more serious approach to The Flash. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2012 11:38:47 GMT -5
Really, when you think about it, for the time, and what it did, the Flash TV series is fucking amazing. It brought out ALL those Rogues? And did them THAT well? AND for the first time in live action, made Barry Allen AND the Flash an AWESOME character with an excellent cast of supporting characters?
It seems impossible, really.
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Post by ye5man on Aug 13, 2012 12:22:05 GMT -5
I'll never understand the hate for Jones. He's one of my favorite Pa's. He's the most loving of them all, for sure. The most like a down home dad. Just his awful acting. Found him amateur hour. Especially any scene with him and Lane Smith |
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Post by Metallo on Aug 13, 2012 14:13:26 GMT -5
Really, when you think about it, for the time, and what it did, the Flash TV series is fucking amazing. It brought out ALL those Rogues? And did them THAT well? AND for the first time in live action, made Barry Allen AND the Flash an AWESOME character with an excellent cast of supporting characters? It seems impossible, really. WB television REALLY put more effort into The Flash than Lois & Clark. The Flash was one of the first shows to use digital compositing at that level on a regular basis. Very cutting edge tv for its time. Both shows were shot on the same backlot but The Flash had a more cinematic look to it. The Flash also had better bad guys in one season than L&C did in four. Loved the Flash version of Captain Cold and Mirror Master. Mark Hamills Trickster was as good as Shea's Luthor AND it was like a trial run for his Joker. Tricksters sidekick Prank pretty much WAS Harley Quinn BEFORE Harley Quinn. Beyond Trask, Luthor, and Tempus most of the bad guys in Lois & Clark blew. Give me the Deadly Nightshade over L&C's shitty versions of Deathstroke or God forbid...Lord Nor...any day. |
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Post by Kamdan on Aug 13, 2012 16:40:23 GMT -5
I always wondered why the makers of Batman: The Animated Series never acknowledged The Flash television series as an inspiration. They have many similarities in terms of style and both utilized Shirley Walker as the composer. She even had a music cue from the Christmas with the Joker episode that basically was The Flash’s theme.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2012 16:50:03 GMT -5
Jesus CHRIST. Prank WAS Harley Quinn.  I'm going to watch this show tonight and read old school Flash comics from 1965. |
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Post by Metallo on Aug 13, 2012 17:01:11 GMT -5
I always wondered why the makers of Batman: The Animated Series never acknowledged The Flash television series as an inspiration. They have many similarities in terms of style and both utilized Shirley Walker as the composer. She even had a music cue from the Christmas with the Joker episode that basically was The Flash’s theme. Good question. Batman Forever's style is also a lot like The Flash's. Flash and Batman TAS both really seemed to draw on Burtons Batman as far as the mixing of eras for its style. The DCUA crew did seem to throw a few nods The Flash's way though:   Hamill reprising The Trickster role on JLU |
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Aug 13, 2012 18:01:52 GMT -5
I've been watching some of the reruns on Hub. First time I've seen it in a few years. Cain's Superman is laughably bad, but his take on Clark is pretty great. He's square, but also assertive and principled. He and Hatcher had great chemistry. I think it would have been a better show if they had just ditched the Superman connection entirely. The writers didn't seem interested in the superhero aspects, other than using a power or two to conveniently move the plot along. If it had been an original dramedy about 2 reporters in a big city investigating strange crime, without Superman, it wouldn't have changed the show much. agreed. 100%. from the beginning i was dismayed at why they even TRIED to do a superman show and NOT make it about superman as such. it feels like romantic comedy that felt it HAD to throw in a superman scene out of obligation. at the outset they specifically did NOT target fans at all, but ignored them in favor of a polar opposite audience that otherwise would NEVER watch a comic book show but will watch this because of a shirtless dean cain. ;D that said, season 1 is watchable. nowhere near STM or STAS (imo) but ok. corny. trying to keep an open mind watching reruns on HUB. watched a few last night.  |
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