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Post by Kirok on Feb 19, 2010 14:28:45 GMT -5
Hmmm, this leaves me with the dilemma whether or not to watch the later Lex Luthor episodes. I have the first season on DVD and like to view it as a self-contained entity, but I like John Shea as Lex Luthor so much I might just have to give his return appearances a watch. |
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Post by Valentine Smith on Feb 20, 2010 10:45:42 GMT -5
Excellent! I'm totally gonna check these out again. Haven't watched 'em in years.
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Post by johnnyboy on Feb 20, 2010 16:28:21 GMT -5
This show gets a bad rep around here, but I really enjoy it. The later seasons are tough for me to get through, but Season One is TREMENDOUS. Smart, funny, sexy, hip. All of it. I even enjoy a good chunk of season 2. This. I loved the Kents. And especially Eddie Jones. Never understood the hate. Me, too. When Whalen replaced Landes, I was pretty disappointed. I really dislike that actor and did at the time for some reason or the other and there he was...taking over my favorite Jimmy Olsen already. Feh. I like Landes and Whalin equally. Might be the only person who does! And losing Cat was a mistake, too. Great dynamic between her and Lois. The genuine moments were always pretty damn well done. This show had so much heart. Good for it. I think they wanted to de-sexualize the show a bit. BIG MISTAKE. Like you, I really missed Cat in the following seasons. The loss of Luthor, Cat, and the recasting of Jimmy makes it all the easier to see Season 1 as it's own entity. Btw, I remembered another good villain: Trask, the government agent who thought Superman was a threat to the country. Unfortunately he only lasted two episodes but that's better than most and he was oneof the very few villains who could be taken seriously as a threat. Great points. Eddie Jones' "acting" is hilarious. Even my other half was LOL at his panicking when he opens the K box. The silly bit in that moment is when he says, "My God, do you think it could be this?" after Clark collapses when he opens the box, but Pa Kent doesn't CLOSE the box. Maybe Eddie Jones should have piped up and said something -- maybe he did? -- but that's really a fault of the writing/directing, not the actor. I always liked him in the role and thought he played off brilliantly with Ma Kent. Chemistry was one of LnC's MAJOR selling points. Excellent! I'm totally gonna check these out again. Haven't watched 'em in years. I'm getting pretty nostalgic, myself. I just found my copy of the soundtrack the other day. Had a lot of books, CDs, computer games (etc.) in storage and it was good to be reacquainted with them again. Jay Gruska did some nice work. * * * Overall, I really enjoyed LnC, but definitely felt the show slip a peg in Season Two, and really plummet in Seasons Three and Four. Like all you guys, the first season is my favourite -- great cast, great stories, and a neat early-90s style. Always fancied Teri Hatcher, always wanted to be Dean Cain. I think he was 27 when filming began, and I'll be 27 soon. Superman isn't the only thing that flies! P.S. Still going through some of my stuff, but I should have a VHS recording of Dean Cain at the BBC somewhere. During the First Season on LnC, he appeared on CBBC, in the "Broom Cupboard" with Toby Anstis (that sounds almost as suggestive as it was), and then followed it up with an appearance on "Live & Kicking", where he was interviewed by a gushing Emma Forbes. British posters might know what I'm on about! Hopefully, I will be digitizing my tapes later this year, and I'll upload the Dean Cain stuff to YouTube -- if the bloody things still work! |
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Post by supes78 on Feb 23, 2010 22:03:41 GMT -5
I always felt it was pretty lame that WB wanted the first Jimmy fired because he looked too much like Dean Cain. This was confirmed in the audio commentary for the season 1 DVD.
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Post by Kirok on Feb 24, 2010 3:48:15 GMT -5
That is lame. If it were such a problem you'd think they would have noticed it when they were casting the characters INITIALLY. Though I admit the second Jimmy look more in line with his comics appearance, that's still not a reason to recast.
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Post by The Phantom Menace on Sept 24, 2010 22:09:27 GMT -5
Just finished a week-long marathon of the first season (which I picked up used on Amazon for $6), and I agree with what's been said so far.
Out of curiosity, what did everyone think of David Warner as Jor-El?
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Post by Keith on Sept 24, 2010 22:33:09 GMT -5
I can't see David Warner in anything ever since I was little and seen him as the scientist in TMNT2. Go Ninja Go Ninja Go! I will always see him as that character.
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Post by The Phantom Menace on Sept 24, 2010 23:08:59 GMT -5
See him in a movie or show, you just want to say "You're the TGRI guy!" ;D
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2010 1:38:37 GMT -5
I don't know why but I find Warner to be so bland in absolutely everything he does, it's impossible for me to ever enjoy him.
The only times I enjoy his acting is when it's a voiceover in a cartoon. Otherwise, I just see him in anything and think, "Isn't there a straight to SyFy movie you should be in?"
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Post by Matt in the Hat on Sept 25, 2010 16:00:21 GMT -5
See him in a movie or show, you just want to say "You're the TGRI guy!" ;D Holy Shit, YES! ;D Oh I ALWAYS do that!! |
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Post by Metallo on Sept 28, 2010 22:25:39 GMT -5
They never should have fired Tracy Scoggins as Cat Grant or really made ANY of the changes they did wit the second season.
Never should have killed Trask for good either.
David Warner: great actor. Terrible Jor El.
HG Wells showing up in his time machine? C'mon man. I liked Tempus though.
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Post by The Phantom Menace on Sept 28, 2010 22:33:30 GMT -5
I have continued watching Season 2 on Netflix Streaming. I'm enjoying it, but I don't see myself purchasing the Season.
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Post by Metallo on Sept 28, 2010 22:48:12 GMT -5
Season 3 is where the show REALLY starts to go off the rails. I think a lot of people just gave up on it by the end of that season.
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Post by The Phantom Menace on Sept 28, 2010 22:53:42 GMT -5
I have very vague memories of Season 3 (amnesia, clone  ). I don't recall anything from Season 4. Either I repressed it, or I had already given up on the show by that time. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2012 2:26:10 GMT -5
So, I decided one day, probably drunkenly, that I was going to watch all of Lois and Clark. I haven't seen the whole series, I checked out at the beginning of season three and saw a few of season four towards the end, as it was rather shitty.
Well, I'm up to season three, the end of it, and it is, indeed, rather shitty.
Steve Young is a main character in an episode. He's Lois's ex or some shit. STEVE FUCKING YOUNG. The 49ers quarterback. He...he's....he's a main character. He's horrible. It's hilarious. I mean, what the fuck? Steve Young? I was watching it in bed last night, completely in the bag, and when that shit came up, I wasn't sure if I was really fucked up or if I was really seeing Steve Young on the screen. I had to IMDB it. It's real. He's in it. I....what? Him? Why?
To be fair, there is some good stuff in the show beyond season one, which stands as one of my favorite incarnations of Superman. I love it. It's excellent. Even when it's shitty, it's still pretty damn good. But season two? Yecch. Justin Whalin is actually rather appealing to me as Jimmy now for some reason, it works pretty well. I hate the relationship between him and Perry, though, it's way too father/son lovey dovey. That shit don't happen. You fucks!
I had no idea Luthor appears so often throughout the series. I really thought he appeared, like, once in season two, and that was it. Nope! He's kinda peppered throughout the whole thing. It's surprising.
But going back to the good stuff, it's few and far between, but it's definitely there. The Tempus ones tend to be pretty decent. Even one of the "Lois forgets who she is," episodes wasn't too shabby. It wasn't GOOD, by any means, but it took my attention away from the porno or burning fire in the bathroom or whatever for a little bit.
The rest, mind you, is SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT.
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Post by SupermanUF on Mar 31, 2012 3:00:28 GMT -5
How could this show be any good? Nobody in front of or behind the camera had any reverence or respect for the source material. I even remember as a kid not watching because I felt like they were making fun of Superman.
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Post by Valentine Smith on Mar 31, 2012 6:19:41 GMT -5
UF. Trust me. Revisit Season One. More often that not, it's not just good, it's excellent. Won't vouch for the other seasons, though....
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Post by ye5man on Mar 31, 2012 7:00:19 GMT -5
With a stronger lead, UF might feel different
poor cain was such a boy.
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Post by Metallo on Mar 31, 2012 10:24:14 GMT -5
I've often wondered how L&C would have turned out if they had gone with Kevin Sorbo instead of Cain. Cain had the advantage of being younger on his side but I think Sorbo had everything else. How could this show be any good? Nobody in front of or behind the camera had any reverence or respect for the source material. I even remember as a kid not watching because I felt like they were making fun of Superman. Bryce Zabel was a great writer...and a fan like us. Even I'll say that guy scripted some of the best episodes of the series. He understood how to make the concept behind Lois & Clark interesting. Beyond him though? Not many people really had that reverence for Superman as you say. I don't see how you bring Jack Larson in and use him so shittily. His part in Lois & Clark was as bad as Noel Neill's in Superman Returns. Yet nobody ever bags on that in L&C. The first season is the best season. Did no one else think Nigel was awesome? |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 31, 2012 10:33:37 GMT -5
I felt for the first season that they had a really nice enjoyable balance on the material (for the most part) as a 'soft' version of Donner's Superman.
It knew how to poke fun at the right places.... Superman as lighthearted romantic comedy--- (which the Donner movies were, but with a sense of grandness to them but with a darker edge when it came up).
Unfortunately, the show's delicate balance slid off right away the next season..... though the show did take the Superman/Lois stories in some areas that I'd previously never seen before, and thought interesting (when it occassionally got it right again)--- like Lois' finding out Supes' identity was, and really playing out how pissed off she would be--- not happy, but angry.
Also, the idea of Clark being the real guy- and trying to get Lois to like the real guy instead of the Superman was something sort of played with in Lester's version..... but it couldn't go that far, because Lester was taking Donner/Reeve's take on Clark on that Clark was a disguise, and little more. (Much like Tarantino's take on it: that Clark was almost a parody of how Superman sees human beings in a way).
But--- I always thought of L&C as a low budget fun version of Superboy. Given that there was so much time after the DOnner films by that point, it was a nice consolation, if there wsn't going to be another big budget movie..... if done right.
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Post by jak321 on Mar 31, 2012 18:19:12 GMT -5
I've often wondered how L&C would have turned out if they had gone with Kevin Sorbo instead of Cain. Cain had the advantage of being younger on his side but I think Sorbo had everything else. I wonder how Gerard Christopher would have handle the role. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 31, 2012 19:04:24 GMT -5
Agreed.... they got rid of the showrunner/developer (Debra Joy Levine) RIGHT after the first season! Go figure.  I find it odd that they wouldn't consider him BECAUSE he had done the syndicated Superboy. Having played the character before didn't stop George Reeves from being cast in the tv show... odd. Still, as much as I enjoyed Gerard Christopher in the Superboy series, I thought Dean Cain brought a great 'fun' interpretation to the role that I loved on the smallscreen. To me, the chemistry between Cain and Hatcher was pretty sharp. Dunno if it would be as good between Christopher and Hatcher, but who knows? I thought Routh and Durance wouldn't look good onscreen together, until I saw that fan mashup, which looked pretty good on the surface! Pity the writing couldn't be as good as the chemistry, though, after season 1..... |
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Post by ye5man on Apr 1, 2012 4:29:24 GMT -5
I never really got the Donner and Lester version of Supes/CK's strategy for trying to get Lois. However, John Bryne made it clear how CK wanted her to fall for him as the man and not the Superman, which is what L+C was modelled after
Unfortunately, the CK in the films was such a fucking nerd that why would Lois take interest?
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Post by EnriqueH on Apr 1, 2012 9:33:37 GMT -5
I'm totally on the same page with Val and Kevin.
LOVE the first season. Second season was good but the new Jimmy distracted the shit outta me. Lost track of the show after that.
Haven't really seen L&C since it was on the air. Been meaning to check it out again.
Dean Cain was a great Clark. Teri Hatcher was smokin hot and my favorite Lois. Michael Landes is my favorite Jimmy.
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Post by Valentine Smith on Apr 1, 2012 9:39:22 GMT -5
My general feeling is that Cain was a better Clark than he was a Superman, but I wonder how much my perception would alter if he had a better Superman suit. If he was wearing one like the Gerard costume from Superboy, it would help. All of the L&C Superman costumes are DREADFUL and do the actor no favors. Cain had a heck of a build, but that suit somehow managed to not show it.
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