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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2013 0:11:22 GMT -5
Looking back now. Does anyone else think the first promo image released was about the worst one they could have used? ;D I had a look back through the thread for when it was released, and even I bashed Cavill and the suit a bit. I still don't think it even looks like Cavill!! Seriously. It's funny to read back because I loved everything i've seen since and at this point I wouldn't swap Cavill for ANYONE. A lot of people had issue with the cape, but I agree with what Val and Rob said at the time, it has a nice regal look, infact Cavill himself seems very regal which I like. There are some hilarious comments further back in this thread too, proper laughing my ass off reading them back. ATP saying he heard Snyder got the gig when they read "He is highly re garded as a director" and wondering if there was maybe a small typo in that report ;D I hadn't realized how ridiculous Gazer's bitterness was either until reading it back! Cavill was too short, too sinister, too dark, 'Bradon' embodied Superman. Amy Adams didn't look like Lois, Kate Bosworth was much more Lois than Adams. That was definitely a case of just bashing anything because Routh wasn't brought back! I can't wait to see who panned the whole thing two years ago and in two months watch them claim it's the greatest thing put on film. |
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Post by atp on Apr 28, 2013 1:49:37 GMT -5
Does anyone else think the first promo image released was about the worst one they could have used? ;D Which image was that? Can you post it? Was it the one with the bank vault? |
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Post by theoj on Apr 28, 2013 4:36:21 GMT -5
Anyone expecting MOS to be better than STM is fooling themselves.
Even if its as good as The Dark Knight, that's a tall order.
I hope it is the best superhero film since Superman 2, but surely no-one here expects it to outdo the film we all grew up with and love so much.
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Post by atp on Apr 28, 2013 4:47:48 GMT -5
Anyone expecting MOS to be better than STM is fooling themselves. I also used to think that way, but now I am not so sure. If STM were to come out today, I don't actually think we would like it all that much. Many of us would complain about it, and I am pretty sure I'd rate it as crap. STM had a lot of "magic" thanks to the special effects which were amazing for the time. Particularly the flying. But now, those kind of effects are so common that we wouldn't be affected by it. Instead, we would notice all the nonsense like turning the world back and we'd hate the stupid villains and buffoonish music for Lex/Otis. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2013 5:27:06 GMT -5
Anyone expecting MOS to be better than STM is fooling themselves. Even if its as good as The Dark Knight, that's a tall order. I hope it is the best superhero film since Superman 2, but surely no-one here expects it to outdo the film we all grew up with and love so much. Yes, this movie should be better. If each generation can't re-interpret the character, build upon the character, and do it in a quality that rekindles the public interest, the character won't last. Superman Returns failed to do that because it was too tied to the previous generation's idea of Superman. Should WB re-release Superman every few years with new packaging? That's like John Cena, the WWE's Superman, winning the championship over and over. His T-shirt is a different color, but it's the same character. No evolution, no change. And the crowds these days are chanting at him, "Same old shit!" Superman has been around 75 years for a reason. He evolves with every generation. |
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Post by ye5man on Apr 28, 2013 6:13:50 GMT -5
The first act of STM feels timeless and I think it would still work perfectly if released today. The rest though is a product of its time.
Members with young kids, do they love STM or is it one of a bunch of other comic book movies?
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Post by atp on Apr 28, 2013 6:28:59 GMT -5
Members with young kids, do they love STM or is it one of a bunch of other comic book movies? I have a 7-year-old, and for him, it is Spiderman and The Avengers without a doubt. |
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Post by ye5man on Apr 28, 2013 6:55:34 GMT -5
Then you're doing a bad job bringing him up!  ;D |
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Post by Rod on Apr 28, 2013 10:05:58 GMT -5
in order to mos be better than stm my brain would have to be remade and i doubt zack snyder is able to do that.
but i bet it is gonna get close.
any mith can survive if not retold anyway.
the new generation already has brains remade by technology, hiperactivity and shit.
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Post by Valentine Smith on Apr 28, 2013 10:14:07 GMT -5
Nothing will ever replace STM in my heart. It's my favorite movie, and a lot of that has to do with what it meant to me as a child, etc.
I'll be quite happy if MoS is a film I enjoy repeated viewings of the same way I do with most of the Marvel Studios flicks (especially Cap and Avengers), and the Nolan Batflicks. That's ALL I WANT.
I don't need an all-time classic. I'm not looking for "better" than STM. I want something that effectively visualizes all of the cool Superman stuff we haven't seen yet, and guarantees us at least two or three new movies, and maybe jumpstarts a DC Cinematic Universe as well.
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Post by Paul (ral) on Apr 28, 2013 10:42:57 GMT -5
Members with young kids, do they love STM or is it one of a bunch of other comic book movies? My boy will sit right through STM. Nothing else holds his attention like it...apart from Disney features. |
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Apr 28, 2013 11:22:23 GMT -5
Well- looks like the floodgates have opened again on SR... ;D I'm glad that, once the 'rage' is cleared on SR- the good stuff is pointed out (for the most part). I still have a hunch if they had introduced Kryptonian(s) into SR (without changing the story all that much)- it would have had enough elements to satisfy everyone. Pity that Singer waited for a sequel that ended up never happening. someone here, i think it was shiney, said that for a lot of people who went in to see "ALIEN 3" were expecting to see "ALIEN S 2". and withthe set up, open ended "aliens" it was- i think - a reasonable expectation. that it was altogether NOT that film it was hard for many (myself included) to judge it fairly on its own merit. similarly, SR was SOOOOOOOOO much expectation (along with SIIRDC) that it just wasnt what a lot of fans were imagining it would be. i love it for what it is- the first time i saw it i was miffed at what it wasnt. LOVE the production design. especially the daily planet set pieces. Looking back now. Does anyone else think the first promo image released was about the worst one they could have used? ;D I had a look back through the thread for when it was released, and even I bashed Cavill and the suit a bit. I still don't think it even looks like Cavill!! Seriously. It's funny to read back because I loved everything i've seen since and at this point I wouldn't swap Cavill for ANYONE. A lot of people had issue with the cape, but I agree with what Val and Rob said at the time, it has a nice regal look, infact Cavill himself seems very regal which I like. There are some hilarious comments further back in this thread too, proper laughing my ass off reading them back. ATP saying he heard Snyder got the gig when they read "He is highly re garded as a director" and wondering if there was maybe a small typo in that report ;D I hadn't realized how ridiculous Gazer's bitterness was either until reading it back! Cavill was too short, too sinister, too dark, 'Bradon' embodied Superman. Amy Adams didn't look like Lois, Kate Bosworth was much more Lois than Adams. That was definitely a case of just bashing anything because Routh wasn't brought back! . in all candor (kandor..? PUN!) i was as vocal a skeptic/critic as any. if MOS is as good as it looks i will happily man up and apologise for my whiney brat fanboy bitching. Nothing will ever replace STM in my heart. It's my favorite movie, and a lot of that has to do with what it meant to me as a child, etc. I'll be quite happy if MoS is a film I enjoy repeated viewings of the same way I do with most of the Marvel Studios flicks (especially Cap and Avengers), and the Nolan Batflicks. That's ALL I WANT. I don't need an all-time classic. I'm not looking for "better" than STM. I want something that effectively visualizes all of the cool Superman stuff we haven't seen yet, and guarantees us at least two or three new movies, and maybe jumpstarts a DC Cinematic Universe as well. 100% this. --------------------------------------------- www.supermanhomepage.coma LOT of great new articles posted this weekend. go! |
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Post by ye5man on Apr 28, 2013 11:59:08 GMT -5
Yeah, I am will Val. I am not on the lookout for a film that can top STM, cos to me that can never happen cos of growing up with it etc. Just want a rollicking good time.
But it'll be great if loads of kids respond positively to it. Like I said before, that's the greatest thing that can happen. This is a real opportunity for a real role model to shine.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Apr 28, 2013 12:07:19 GMT -5
Well, right off the bat-
If STM came out today- as is - it of course many parts of it would feel dated, in contrast to other superhero films that were inspired by STM/ modeled by STM (Batman Begins, Spiderman) + harder edged sensibilities that have come out decades later.
STM is/will be timeless for children at the right age. SR is an odd one in that it's ultimately Singer's 'art' film in the guise of a Superman film--- I loved it, but just as an Alan Moore Superman story might be considered too dark for many Superman fans, I thought it challenging and interesting to the source material. (Though I won't defend the real estate idiocy of Luthor either- Singer's on his own there).
Many of the STM and SII scenes are expensive, but it's Donner's personal choices that give it magic- not just the fx at the time. With all the fx technology that's been added, it can't replace the charm of the cast that Donner chose- and how it was shot and edited.
Standout scenes for STM aren't the fx scenes per se- but how Donner uses them to create some wonderful moments that still haven't been matched in superhero film - for example- the whole scene where Lois interviews Superman- to how he gracefully enters in the side, to how he leaves in one shot while focusing on Lois' profile---- without cutting--- to Clark appearing at the front door. The amount of pain and effort to get everything right in one of these shots had to be tremendous, and it's not the only shot of that kind in Donner's footage that could be pointed to.
Some things may seem dated/unfunny now (Clark at the telephone booth)- but human things don't change- like the scene with young Clark at his father's grave; young Clark's exhilaration at outracing a train; the funny tension between Margot and Chris's performance during the interview scene; Superman's rage at Lois being killed at the end and facing the images of his two fathers at the end.
(*Though I'll agree completely about the time reversal. It ALWAYS was a dumb script idea from the getgo and always will be, unless it's a comedy)
STM (and parts of SII) have Donner's personality and fingerprints all over it. SR is odd because it's one great director trying to channel (cheap shots could call it a simple ripoff of STM, but I couldn't disagree more) another great director's vision and move it forward- something that I've never seen on film before.
A good comparison might be Star Wars: A New Hope- the original edition and Lucas' prequels. The old ones had the 'magic', but it from the combo of fx/ casting/ story/ direction- the new ones may have new state of the art fx, but I'd be hard pressed to find anyone who feels the prequels are better creatively than the old ones with the old dated fx.
Though.... admitedly, it's all subjective.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Apr 28, 2013 12:29:33 GMT -5
I was irritated that SR didn't continue not just for SR- but for Donner's legacy of well continuing forward. I never felt that 1 1/2 movies were enough for the Donner version. I felt that STM felt like the 'definitive' adaptation (warts and all) of the Superman comics, and could have continued and 'righted' the wrongs of Lester as well.
By this point, though, with that dream dead dead dead ever since SR 2 didn't get the greenlight, I'm prepped to have similar expectations.
Just as I'm not crazy about unnecessary DC/Marvel reboots, I wasn't enthused about the decision to reboot.... but since it's here, I accept that it'll probably be a less faithful, 'elseworld's' (or in Marvel's case 'Ultimates') version of Superman.
It looks like Snyder put everything he could into it. I hope he did. I hope it's just as enjoyable as STM was, in it's own way. I hope he shot for something perfect and classic on its own.
If not, then at least I hope it's a good film, that gets me pumped up to see a sequel. But I hope it stays closer to the Superman comics in how it feels than Smallville did.
Smallville I enjoyed, but at a distance, as some bizzarro version of it.
Marvel's superhero films (or most of them) felt like a good adaptation of them.
If MOS is more Marvel and less Smallville, I'll be happy.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2013 13:56:59 GMT -5
I was irritated that SR didn't continue not just for SR- but for Donner's legacy of well continuing forward. I never felt that 1 1/2 movies were enough for the Donner version. I felt that STM felt like the 'definitive' adaptation (warts and all) of the Superman comics, and could have continued and 'righted' the wrongs of Lester as well. By this point, though, with that dream dead dead dead ever since SR 2 didn't get the greenlight, I'm prepped to have similar expectations. Just as I'm not crazy about unnecessary DC/Marvel reboots, I wasn't enthused about the decision to reboot.... but since it's here, I accept that it'll probably be a less faithful, 'elseworld's' (or in Marvel's case 'Ultimates') version of Superman. It looks like Snyder put everything he could into it. I hope he did. I hope it's just as enjoyable as STM was, in it's own way. I hope he shot for something perfect and classic on its own. If not, then at least I hope it's a good film, that gets me pumped up to see a sequel. But I hope it stays closer to the Superman comics in how it feels than Smallville did. Smallville I enjoyed, but at a distance, as some bizzarro version of it. Marvel's superhero films (or most of them) felt like a good adaptation of them. If MOS is more Marvel and less Smallville, I'll be happy. I'd never have known ;D |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Apr 28, 2013 14:44:45 GMT -5
Kristopher, your dislike of SR is also well known, but I don't remark on each time your re-iterate it, for free expression. Do you have an issue with me expressing how I feel about SR?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2013 15:30:27 GMT -5
Jesus CHRIST, we're only a fucking month and a half away!
If this movie is somehow better than STM, which it certainly COULD be, I would definitely be able to admit it. I'm all for this new movie. STM will more than likely always be my favorite movie, 33 years and it hasn't changed yet, so it probably won't.
I just want to see my favorite character of all time get treated with respect. I just want to have fun and maybe have a few tears well up. Anything beyond that is icing.
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Post by atp on Apr 28, 2013 15:35:16 GMT -5
Kristopher, your dislike of SR is also well known, but I don't remark on each time your re-iterate it, for free expression. Do you have an issue with me expressing how I feel about SR? Best to just avoid feeding Kristopher; he's become a parody of himself lately. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2013 16:14:03 GMT -5
Kristopher, your dislike of SR is also well known, but I don't remark on each time your re-iterate it, for free expression. Do you have an issue with me expressing how I feel about SR? Not atall, but I think sulking over the fact is failed to reboot the franchise and didn't get a sequel is pointless. You bring it into everything. It's great that you like it and of course you're free to talk about it as often as you like. I obviously cracked wise because you frequently go on about it |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2013 16:16:14 GMT -5
Kristopher, your dislike of SR is also well known, but I don't remark on each time your re-iterate it, for free expression. Do you have an issue with me expressing how I feel about SR? Best to just avoid feeding Kristopher; he's become a parody of himself lately.  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2013 16:24:32 GMT -5
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Post by eccentricbeing on Apr 28, 2013 16:29:25 GMT -5
;D ;D ;D ;D
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