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Post by atp on Apr 28, 2013 16:32:30 GMT -5
Am I the only one who thinks of the Engineers in Prometheus when I see the headgear?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2013 16:35:23 GMT -5
Am I the only one who thinks of the Engineers in Prometheus when I see the headgear? Right! I kept thinking that it looked familiar. For shit's sake, don't tell Faora you don't want to die of old age! I also look at some of the photos of Faora and think, oh, so we're bringing back the whole androgyny look then eh? Bowie will be so pleased. |
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Post by theoj on Apr 28, 2013 18:01:16 GMT -5
Saw Iron Man 3 tonight and while I really enjoyed its tongue in cheek humour, the script, the action and the whole package, I am quietly confident that this was just the starter to Man of Steel's main course!
Iron Man 3 plays for laughs and does a great job of it and will make a billion dollars worldwide without too much effort.
But I think MOS could tap into a far greater market...
Like the ones who kept going back to watch Titanic or Avatar.
As long as it is a great film and truly uplifting and inspiring and delivers on its promise that it is all about HOPE, then I think that's what the world is seeking right now and they will keep coming back to watch it. It will be the biggest film of the year.
...ok I hope so! I really hope it doesn't turn out to be a big disappointment!!!
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Apr 28, 2013 21:01:37 GMT -5
Jesus CHRIST, we're only a fucking month and a half away! If this movie is somehow better than STM, which it certainly COULD be, I would definitely be able to admit it. I'm all for this new movie. STM will more than likely always be my favorite movie, 33 years and it hasn't changed yet, so it probably won't. I just want to see my favorite character of all time get treated with respect. I just want to have fun and maybe have a few tears well up. Anything beyond that is icing. We're gonna try to get tix to the early screening. The whole fam, it'll be great. But man- id LOOOOOOOVE to see this with someone from the board... Ah well. |
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Post by atp on Apr 29, 2013 0:48:22 GMT -5
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Post by EnriqueH on Apr 29, 2013 5:31:14 GMT -5
May I ask why General Zod is all the way out on Geonosis?
Is he joining Yoda on the perimeter?
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Apr 29, 2013 8:11:45 GMT -5
May I ask why General Zod is all the way out on Geonosis? Is he joining Yoda on the perimeter? Because if zod was on hoth it'd look like empire! Der! |
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Post by ChrisM on Apr 29, 2013 10:01:09 GMT -5
Call me cynical, but for me personally, MOS will make or break on the non-action scenes. I've said this before, but there is nothing from an action standpoint that isn't recycled these days. CGI can only do so many new things that haven't been left to the imagination. With Snyder, we're practically guaranteed lots of explosions, lots of noise, buildings crashing, planets exploding, people yelling... heck - we've seen people flying (Harry Potter, Iron Man, etc) so I don't think adding a CGI cape is going to make us go "wow". Well, for me anyway.
Every other summer blockbuster (save for SR) has their own version of this "action motif". It's not a novelty anymore. In fact, it's beyond overkill. Even in Avengers I was quite numb to all of that -- it's a fun movie but the fact that it grossed 5 trillion is absurd. ADD rules the market. I'm hoping like anything else this will be a cycle and we'll eventually see a demand return for the slower-paced movies of the 70s and 80s. Yeah, I'm old.
I know this isn't in the cards for MOS - but one area that I would like CGI to explore is the first or third-person perspective of flying -- so that the audience truly feels like they are flying with Superman. But that's simply not possible because of the limitations of a human actor selling the effect. This is another reason that most of the flying will be so fast we can't even tell what's happening. It'll probably be interesting in some respects to see balls-to-the-wall adrenaline type of flying that Snyder has envisioned, but I'll always take Reeve's graceful acrobatics where he soars over Metropolis after departing from the helicopter rescue. Combined with the score, it's inspirational and makes me want to dust off my cape, so to speak. Those movements take skill and coordination. Even in front projection or green screen, Reeve stayed true to selling the effect -- because he HAD to. Cavill just has to look pissed off and put one arm out -- and technology will do the rest. Hard to be as impressed with the latter, but we'll see what happens on June 14.
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Post by cypher85 on Apr 29, 2013 10:08:56 GMT -5
Just pre-ordered the Deluxe score. Is it june yet?
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Post by eccentricbeing on Apr 29, 2013 10:54:45 GMT -5
How real do you want this flying to be on screen? I mean, skydiving is your best bet.
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Post by ChrisM on Apr 29, 2013 11:15:28 GMT -5
How real do you want this flying to be on screen? I mean, skydiving is your best bet. I think you're missing the point of what I said. The rush of flying requires immersion - projecting yourself into that character. Reeve's flying scenes didn't really take it to that level either, save for some great in-camera takeoffs and front projection tricks. Reeve's physical skills were sufficient to sell the effect. Any other actor would have bombed if they had to rely on 1978's limitations. I'm talking about imagining a camera mounted on Superman's shoulder as he jumps off a building or performs rolls and dives through Metropolis. Visualize this approach with the Daily Planet scene where Clark jumps out the window, and the camera pans down before he jumps to give the proper sense of height, and then the audience falls with him, and then soars up, up, up as he regains altitude amidst the skyscrapers. I think it would be really unique and exciting, but hey, maybe I'm the only one who thinks so. Generally speaking, to create this immersion requires speed of movement that is not herky-jerky fast, and does not utilize rapid cuts, so that the human eye can actually perceive and adapt to the motion. It requires a dash of grace - as if you're navigating with an airplane. Snyder's approach won't allow for this because Cavill will be a blur at supersonic speeds and he will utilize rapid cuts to give the action his unique style. This is all unfortunate, because the technology is there to step outside of this the box, and I think if done right it can appeal to every human being's innate desire to fly. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2013 13:20:19 GMT -5
One thing you can say about comic book films is they'll never please everyone. If you're looking for something new and 100% original in your action films then good luck with that. You must be a laugh a minute on a night out ;D I hope it's a good film, and I hope it hooks the general audience and gives us a new generation of fans. Forget about the nit pickers who are just looking for excuses to hate it out of loyalty to a 35 year old film. Found this Shannon interview. Michael Shannon, 'Man Of Steel' Will 'Blow Everybody's Socks Off'
www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3175699.html
What Shannon doesn't seem bewildered by is hype behind his upcoming role as General Zod in "Man of Steel" -- a movie that he just recently saw and holds in very high regard. So high, his words of praise come off with an intensity that exceeds anything he does in the sorority letter video. In other words, I really have no choice but to believe him.
We talked about "Man of Steel" last time I spoke to you for "Take Shelter." I feel that movie has been a long process.
It's a big buildup. I'll tell you, I saw it last Monday -- it's worth it.
The last trailer was great.
It was. It's going to blow everybody's socks off. And I know they're probably pissed off, like I'm jinxing it or something and I shouldn't say that. I'll knock on wood just out of deference to the gods, but the movie is solid. It's gonna get the job done.
This is your first big superhero movie. Was it weird going from being in that odd-looking CGI suit to seeing the final product?
It's exhilarating. It's what Zack [Snyder] promised would happen, you know? Because I remember the first couple of days I was on set, I thought This is ridiculous. I look like an idiot. I don't look anything like General Zod. I'm a total failure. I went over to the screen for playback and it was ridiculous. All of us were wearing pajamas, basically. And there was this neon green set of stairs that was supposed to be our spaceship. So you see us all marching down these neon green stairs in our pajamas and I'm like, "This looks like a Monty Python skit." And he's like, "I know right now it looks pretty silly, but, two years from now, it's going to look like the most badass thing you've ever seen in your life." And he's right.
Do you worry about the diehard comic book fans? They can be vocal.
No. I mean, it is their thing. It's not my thing. I'm not in that club. So, I have a respect for it. To people, it's like a religious experience and I don't discount that. I understand it. We're very sheltered from all that on set. I mean, yeah, if people want to know if it was a high pressure job -- it was very high pressure. And everybody felt a lot of anxiety about getting it right. But, Zack's strategy -- which is very intelligent -- is to keep everything very calm and fun and playful and not get tied up about it. Because if you get overly anxious about pleasing people, you can't make anything. You have to be relaxed and have a good time. the italicized answer made me laugh |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2013 13:23:11 GMT -5
One thing you can say about comic book films is they'll never please everyone. If you're looking for something new and 100% original in your action films then good luck with that. You must be a laugh a minute on a night out ;D I hope it's a good film, and I hope it hooks the general audience and gives us a new generation of fans. Forget about the nit pickers who are just looking for excuses to hate it out of loyalty to a 35 year old film. Found this Shannon interview. Michael Shannon, 'Man Of Steel' Will 'Blow Everybody's Socks Off'
www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3175699.html
What Shannon doesn't seem bewildered by is hype behind his upcoming role as General Zod in "Man of Steel" -- a movie that he just recently saw and holds in very high regard. So high, his words of praise come off with an intensity that exceeds anything he does in the sorority letter video. In other words, I really have no choice but to believe him.
We talked about "Man of Steel" last time I spoke to you for "Take Shelter." I feel that movie has been a long process.
It's a big buildup. I'll tell you, I saw it last Monday -- it's worth it.
The last trailer was great.
It was. It's going to blow everybody's socks off. And I know they're probably pissed off, like I'm jinxing it or something and I shouldn't say that. I'll knock on wood just out of deference to the gods, but the movie is solid. It's gonna get the job done.
This is your first big superhero movie. Was it weird going from being in that odd-looking CGI suit to seeing the final product?
It's exhilarating. It's what Zack [Snyder] promised would happen, you know? Because I remember the first couple of days I was on set, I thought This is ridiculous. I look like an idiot. I don't look anything like General Zod. I'm a total failure. I went over to the screen for playback and it was ridiculous. All of us were wearing pajamas, basically. And there was this neon green set of stairs that was supposed to be our spaceship. So you see us all marching down these neon green stairs in our pajamas and I'm like, "This looks like a Monty Python skit." And he's like, "I know right now it looks pretty silly, but, two years from now, it's going to look like the most badass thing you've ever seen in your life." And he's right.
Do you worry about the diehard comic book fans? They can be vocal.
No. I mean, it is their thing. It's not my thing. I'm not in that club. So, I have a respect for it. To people, it's like a religious experience and I don't discount that. I understand it. We're very sheltered from all that on set. I mean, yeah, if people want to know if it was a high pressure job -- it was very high pressure. And everybody felt a lot of anxiety about getting it right. But, Zack's strategy -- which is very intelligent -- is to keep everything very calm and fun and playful and not get tied up about it. Because if you get overly anxious about pleasing people, you can't make anything. You have to be relaxed and have a good time. the italicized answer made me laugh |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2013 15:57:44 GMT -5
"It's not flying! It's falling ... with style!" -- Buzz Lightyear
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Apr 29, 2013 17:23:37 GMT -5
That's fair.... I think for awhile constantly (not anyone in particular but generally speaking) hearing STILL years after the fact in almost every Superman thread here consistently how SR got it wrong and how Singer took the easy path--- I've always felt a need to defend it or throw ways that might get people to reconsider it, but you're right--- I've repeated the same arguments- sometimes it's due to posting late nights semi-conscious, but more often than not, I'm going on 'autopilot' to people who have already heard it from me before- Got the message and you may have a point... I don't take subtlety as well as I could on the net. Repeats can be boring, I'll try to not be as repetitive in the future (or at least try to post less when semi-conscious or drinking).  On another note- The images you put up for MOS look very promising.... While I'm glad that MOS is coming out soon--- I wonder if WB would have been smarter to make it a bigger event by not putting it in the summer (with other superhero films) and put it out at Christmas instead or another part of the year? In any case- the wait's been long enough. Safe to say I'm ready for MOS anytime now..... |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2013 17:34:51 GMT -5
That's fair.... I think for awhile constantly (not anyone in particular but generally speaking) hearing STILL years after the fact in almost every Superman thread here consistently how SR got it wrong and how Singer took the easy path--- I've always felt a need to defend it or throw ways that might get people to reconsider it, but you're right--- I've repeated the same arguments- sometimes it's due to posting late nights semi-conscious, but more often than not, I'm going on 'autopilot' to people who have already heard it from me before- Got the message and you may have a point... I don't take subtlety as well as I could on the net. Repeats can be boring, I'll try to not be as repetitive in the future (or at least try to post less when semi-conscious or drinking). On another note- The images you put up for MOS look very promising.... While I'm glad that MOS is coming out soon--- I wonder if WB would have been smarter to make it a bigger event by not putting it in the summer (with other superhero films) and put it out at Christmas instead or another part of the year? In any case- the wait's been long enough. Safe to say I'm ready for MOS anytime now..... Well yeah I can definitely understand that But to be clear I'm not telling you what to post and what not to post  One thing that's surprised me so far is we seemingly still don't even have a poster for this film!!! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2013 17:35:14 GMT -5
That's fair.... I think for awhile constantly (not anyone in particular but generally speaking) hearing STILL years after the fact in almost every Superman thread here consistently how SR got it wrong and how Singer took the easy path--- I've always felt a need to defend it or throw ways that might get people to reconsider it, but you're right--- I've repeated the same arguments- sometimes it's due to posting late nights semi-conscious, but more often than not, I'm going on 'autopilot' to people who have already heard it from me before- Got the message and you may have a point... I don't take subtlety as well as I could on the net. Repeats can be boring, I'll try to not be as repetitive in the future (or at least try to post less when semi-conscious or drinking). On another note- The images you put up for MOS look very promising.... While I'm glad that MOS is coming out soon--- I wonder if WB would have been smarter to make it a bigger event by not putting it in the summer (with other superhero films) and put it out at Christmas instead or another part of the year? In any case- the wait's been long enough. Safe to say I'm ready for MOS anytime now..... Well yeah I can definitely understand that But to be clear I'm not telling you what to post and what not to post One thing that's surprised me so far is we seemingly still don't even have a poster for this film!!! |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Apr 29, 2013 17:38:34 GMT -5
Good point Kevin-
At this stage, to me, STM as a memory is a whole package- STM + SII + various versions + what was imagined for years about the Donner footage + the whole amazing backstory/documentaries on the adventure of making the Reeve films + Reeve's personal heroic story.
So, to me, it's hard to separate and 'just' see STM and (probably) MOS and compare the two on its own (when it comes out)....
Still.... having said that*- if MOS gest everything right- it'd be greatly suprising to me if it ends up hitting so many marks as to what I'd like to see as the 'definitive' representation of Superman on the big screen to replace STM. It'd be nice, but it would have to have a lot of touchstone moments that I wouldn't mind seeing over and over again as I'd experienced in STM/SII.... so, as stated before, just looking forward to MOS in a Marvel way....
((*If there is a 'straight' comparison, though- a couple of things MOS would have as an advantage over STM-
#1: The giant giant advances in special effects technology from '78 that were/are available to MOS...
#2: Most likely NO turning back time as a plot point
#3: Most likely NO Lex Luthor motivated by Real Estate))
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2013 17:39:30 GMT -5
While part of me thinks, "Oh, wow, an actor is promoting his movie and is saying how great it is? Gosh, you're kidding!" but another part thinks, "Well, it's Michael Shannon, he probably wouldn't say shit if he didn't mean it."
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Apr 29, 2013 17:47:11 GMT -5
Hopefully...Also.... didn't Russell Crowe say some nice things about MOS, too? Any actor that doesn't mind clocking a hotel clerk over the head with a phone probably isn't all that afraid to say what he really thinks.)) |
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Apr 29, 2013 18:43:45 GMT -5
Yeah- thanks to kris for posting that- and as kev says- michael shannon is not a bullshitter type of guy. He has nothing but frank candor since he got hired on.
To be honest im through worrying about it. Its going to be a good film. The smart thing wb and the producers did this time was NOT to throw every element into the "nostalgia" column and instead anchor the entire premise in modern day- while still echoing the essential bits that everyone (not just us uber nerds here) can recall.
Had a friend over last week and he said he was surprised how much it actually DID echo donnerverse (all star etc) without actually being donnerverse.
It will have to be impossibly bad to not be entertaining and fun.
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Post by eccentricbeing on Apr 29, 2013 20:46:30 GMT -5
I'm not worry about not being entertained when seeing this movie. Now, if it's going to touch on levels like Kevin pointing out...making me well-up in tears with some scenes, then the movie is special and did what it set out to do. But I just know this movie isn't going to suck....but we'll see. Those few days before it comes out...those first reviews...they're going to be real factors. I usually don't care for critics, but this time, I kinda do. I really want this to blow critics away and get 88-96% on the tomato meter when it's all said and done.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2013 21:17:03 GMT -5
Shia LaDouche told us how shitty Crystal Skull would be and Spielberg and Ford tore him a new asshole allegedly because it's also an actor's job to sell the film. Slag it years later, but not when it's about to screen.
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Post by EnriqueH on Apr 29, 2013 21:28:52 GMT -5
I just realized EXACTLY why I haven't been excited about MOS.
And why I was suddenly excited when I heard Zod/Shannon yell "I will find him!"
Passion.
Up until that moment, the scenes I've seen are devoid of passion.
It's ALL cold, melancholy, unemotional or detached. Frankly, not unlike the tone of SR.
But Zod's uttering of that line was passionate and emotional. I like that.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Apr 29, 2013 21:30:23 GMT -5
I can see both sides to this--- On one hand, I get that most filmmakers/actors don't go in TRYING to make a bad film--- and with so much money at stake--- and how perception can color how one experiences a movie--- that maybe it's the honorable thing for a team player who's been paid to try to sell what they thought was going to be a good movie... On the other hand, $10+ is a lot of money (to me) for a movie ticket--- and if a movie is no good, the counterargument is why should I support the studio if it's an overall crappy movie? The studio isn't paying for our food/rent--- why should we pay for theirs and why should the actors lie about it to people? So, like I said--- can see both sides to making actors sell something they may or may not be crazy about..... maybe that's why some actors don't watch the movie until afterwards, (just in case it's awful) so they can tell the truth on talk shows that they haven't seen the completed movie yet but think it'll be good?  |
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