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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2013 21:38:32 GMT -5
I can see both sides to this--- On one hand, I get that most filmmakers/actors don't go in TRYING to make a bad film--- and with so much money at stake--- and how perception can color how one experiences a movie--- that maybe it's the honorable thing for a team player who's been paid to try to sell what they thought was going to be a good movie... On the other hand, $10+ is a lot of money (to me) for a movie ticket--- and if a movie is no good, the counterargument is why should I support the studio if it's an overall crappy movie? The studio isn't paying for our food/rent--- why should we pay for theirs and why should the actors lie about it to people? So, like I said--- can see both sides to making actors sell something they may or may not be crazy about..... maybe that's why some actors don't watch the movie until afterwards, (just in case it's awful) so they can tell the truth on talk shows that they haven't seen the completed movie yet but think it'll be good?  It's everyone's job to whore out for the company no matter what kind if work you do or how shitty you know your product to be. Otherwise, don't expect to keep your job. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Apr 29, 2013 22:02:49 GMT -5
Ah, well spoken.
Yeah. I can see that.
I was thinking, too.... with all the available resources now to 'really' know how a film is on the internet--- it is a little naive (if someone only was basing their decision to see it or not on it) to ONLY trust whether or not a movie is good or not by what an actor in it says.
If he/she says it's crap, even if it's true, there might be a sense of someone perhaps pissing on all the work that EVERYONE put into the film- in all the departments... which is not too cool.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Apr 29, 2013 22:07:28 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2013 22:22:56 GMT -5
Ah, well spoken. Yeah. I can see that. I was thinking, too.... with all the available resources now to 'really' know how a film is on the internet--- it is a little naive (if someone only was basing their decision to see it or not on it) to ONLY trust whether or not a movie is good or not by what an actor in it says. If he/she says it's crap, even if it's true, there might be a sense of someone perhaps pissing on all the work that EVERYONE put into the film- in all the departments... which is not too cool. It's a subjective topic. If you make a blender, it either works or it doesn't. If you make a movie, you may or may not like it even if you made it. Matter of taste. I love "DC Cab" but I'm sure a lot of people think it's shit. Of course, I don't know how anyone would think that, but whatever ... |
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Post by Rod on Apr 30, 2013 1:55:41 GMT -5
i cannot avoid to think that the "failure" of SR will prove it to be benefic to MOS. I dont remember people posting "trailers reactions" at the time of SR. But now there's tons of this reactions, people losing their minds and getting really emotional. Ok, fanboys doing their thing but it is so cool! All the pieces are on the table at the right moment. People want it to be a sucess. With SR there was this "oh superman is back, cool, but whatever" It may be a huge hit.  |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Apr 30, 2013 3:04:28 GMT -5
Well, the SR trailer can't hold a candle to the MOS one. MOS has so many new visual elements in it that it looks like something filled with new things- while you couldn't necessarily say that about the SR trailer.
In addition to everything else, I'm curious HOW FAST they'll actually greenlight part 2 if the first weekend exceeds expectations. Since part of SR 2's not happening might have been Singer's delay with shooting Valkyrie- I wonder if they'll move much quicker this time before Snyder starts on anything else and push Snyder to start right away.
Will see....
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2013 3:14:06 GMT -5
i cannot avoid to think that the "failure" of SR will prove it to be benefic to MOS. I dont remember people posting "trailers reactions" at the time of SR. But now there's tons of this reactions, people losing their minds and getting really emotional. Ok, fanboys doing their thing but it is so cool! All the pieces are on the table at the right moment. People want it to be a sucess. With SR there was this "oh superman is back, cool, but whatever" It may be a huge hit. Regardless of people's reactions to either movie, the explosion of social media, viral videos, and such from 2006 to now is fascinating. It's not like we were in the dark ages, but it's come a long way from the director posting a video blog. That was so cool in 2006, and think just how much more connected we are now. People have more access to high-speed internet, computers, web cams, handheld devices, that it's wonderful to see people from across the world come together and experience things as a giant community, be it movies, music, or whatever. Technology moving along like this is great because now we can provide direct feedback and have an active role in the things we love. I said somewhere else here that once Iron Man and Star Trek are out of the way, the exposure for this movie through social media is going to be fucking nuts. |
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Post by atp on Apr 30, 2013 3:30:35 GMT -5
If today's social media had existed in 2006, SR would have flopped even harder than it did.
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Post by theoj on Apr 30, 2013 7:05:57 GMT -5
No damn midnight screenings in London at all on the Thursday!
Earliest screening seems to be BFI IMAX Waterloo at 11am on the Friday.
If anyone finds a London midnight screening, let me know!
Preferably 2D... I just want to enjoy the film without any 3D gimmicks.
"What do you think?" !!!
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Post by cypher85 on Apr 30, 2013 7:29:52 GMT -5
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Post by Rod on Apr 30, 2013 8:50:48 GMT -5
omg it is so tempting to hear those samples....i just cant...i wont. not this time.
get out daemon!
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Apr 30, 2013 10:16:00 GMT -5
Interesting point. I'm even thinking back even more about how- without the internet and social media- the Donner cut might never have happened, period.
Moving forward from that, of course, without the negative review of "Flyby" script, we would have had Ratner/Abrams' Superman instead of SR (and, again, because of SInger choosing to use Brando footage-)- but because of SR, too, it made the Donner cut possible, too-
ALL because of the internet.hm.
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Post by atp on Apr 30, 2013 10:50:38 GMT -5
I just realized EXACTLY why I haven't been excited about MOS. And why I was suddenly excited when I heard Zod/Shannon yell "I will find him!" Passion. Up until that moment, the scenes I've seen are devoid of passion. It's ALL cold, melancholy, unemotional or detached. Frankly, not unlike the tone of SR. But Zod's uttering of that line was passionate and emotional. I like that. So in in other words, the movie needs emotional content? Not anger? |
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Post by eccentricbeing on Apr 30, 2013 10:55:51 GMT -5
Wow, a lot of these tracks sounds like Zimmer's work from the 90s. |
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Post by cypher85 on Apr 30, 2013 11:02:59 GMT -5
After looking into it I'm quite excited to check out the DTS Headphone X tracks that come with the deluxe edition. Here's a blog talking about the technology from the CES demonstration www.bigpicturebigsound.com/DTS-Headphone-X-at-CES2013.shtmlThough it sounds like unless there is a calibration mechanism for whatever room you plan on listening to the tracks in, it won't be as good as the CES demo. |
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Post by EnriqueH on Apr 30, 2013 11:17:02 GMT -5
I just realized EXACTLY why I haven't been excited about MOS. And why I was suddenly excited when I heard Zod/Shannon yell "I will find him!" Passion. Up until that moment, the scenes I've seen are devoid of passion. It's ALL cold, melancholy, unemotional or detached. Frankly, not unlike the tone of SR. But Zod's uttering of that line was passionate and emotional. I like that. So in in other words, the movie needs emotional content? Not anger? THAT'S IT! How did it come to you? |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Apr 30, 2013 11:51:59 GMT -5
I'm also underwhelmed...but... to be fair, the clips are REALLY short. I do find it odd that the last track is (unless I'm reading this thing wrong) 28 minutes long? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2013 11:55:35 GMT -5
Pretty sure it's either a video or just a track of Zimmer working on MOS.
I only listened to a few of them, and yes, it DOES indeed sound like his 90's work. That kinda...made me shut down for a second. If you told the 17 year old me that Hans Zimmer was going to do a Superman score in the future, I'd freak the fuck out. When I was that age, it was Williams and Zimmer for me. Crimson Tide just blew my mind and The Rock was probably my favorite non Williams score at the time.
Having said that, it does somewhat throw me for a loop, too, as it sounds like 90's Zimmer, but this is 2013. The sound is a little off for me, the style of music, but then again, it's just seconds of samples and out of context. I know I'll love it in the movie. I'm sure I will. I hope I will.
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Post by atp on Apr 30, 2013 12:05:31 GMT -5
So in in other words, the movie needs emotional content? Not anger? THAT'S IT! How did it come to you? Let me think... (BTW, it is "How did it FEEL to you?") |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2013 12:09:40 GMT -5
I won be listening to any of that until I see the film. Short samples out with the film? Not a good idea imo
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Apr 30, 2013 12:40:51 GMT -5
"The Rock", "Rain Man", and "Lion King" I think are arguably Zimmer's best work (or whatever team he works with)- but I fell for them on first listening--- which is why I'm a little annoyed that the MOS theme didn't slay me right away.
In some ways, it does feel like the same approach as his "Batman Begins" theme- basically just a couple of notes for the basic hero theme? (Except in Superman's case, maybe two additional ones?)
On another note- so many superhero films that have come out, personally, in thinking HOW many of them have come out..... I find it odd/sad that out of them- only a small number of those films have memorable hero themes that really stick to the characters: (*tv shows not counting)
(Williams' Superman of course; Elfman's Batman & to a lesser degree Spiderman; Patrick Doyle's Thor; Grame Revell's Crow
Edit: Adding in Basi Pouledouris' Robocop and Conan the Barbarian!)
I might feel different with the actual film.... and hope so, too...
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Post by eccentricbeing on Apr 30, 2013 12:44:52 GMT -5
Pretty sure it's either a video or just a track of Zimmer working on MOS. I only listened to a few of them, and yes, it DOES indeed sound like his 90's work. That kinda...made me shut down for a second. If you told the 17 year old me that Hans Zimmer was going to do a Superman score in the future, I'd freak the fuck out. When I was that age, it was Williams and Zimmer for me. Crimson Tide just blew my mind and The Rock was probably my favorite non Williams score at the time. Having said that, it does somewhat throw me for a loop, too, as it sounds like 90's Zimmer, but this is 2013. The sound is a little off for me, the style of music, but then again, it's just seconds of samples and out of context. I know I'll love it in the movie. I'm sure I will. I hope I will. It did put me off because it's very different from what we're accustomed to in regards of his modern work. But this could be awesome when it's given the proper context. I heard some ethereal soundscapes in that have great potential to really bring out emotional dynamics...particularly with Krypton. It made me think that if Trent Reznor scored this movie, it would be...incredible in a very bizarre way. Don't worry, there will be a leaked download of this very soon. I give it a couple of weeks. |
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Post by eccentricbeing on Apr 30, 2013 12:49:14 GMT -5
"The Rock", "Rain Man", and "Lion King" I think are arguably Zimmer's best work (or whatever team he works with)- but I fell for them on first listening--- which is why I'm a little annoyed that the MOS theme didn't slay me right away. Yeah, but you didn't listen to those scores via 30-second snippets. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Apr 30, 2013 12:50:31 GMT -5
One thing that I'm glad hasn't gone away is Snyder's ability to create fantastic visuals worthy of turning into music vids- based on enough of what we've seen at this point & his other films. I'm sure once the film is available on dvd, we'll see music videos of MOS on youtube scored to EVERY possible kind of music and score.  |
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Post by ye5man on Apr 30, 2013 14:10:09 GMT -5
The only memorable music from any of the recent comic book flicks are Nolan's Batman flicks and Avengers
Not listening to any of the score til after I've seen the film.
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