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Post by MerM on May 7, 2013 14:54:26 GMT -5
and Superman film will reel you in primarily for the story and the drama? Yes. CGI carnage is dime-a-dozen, you can get it anywhere. |
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Post by ChrisM on May 7, 2013 14:59:35 GMT -5
and Superman film will reel you in primarily for the story and the drama? Yes. CGI carnage is dime-a-dozen, you can get it anywhere. Where have you been, Mac? On a desert...  You must have missed the last 20 comic book films that were released in the past 5 years. I guarantee each one (except for SR) has huge fireballs, some buildings or bridges being destroyed, people running for their lives from some android or alien menace, or the heroine is hanging perilously over the edge. |
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Post by MerM on May 7, 2013 15:05:39 GMT -5
Yes. CGI carnage is dime-a-dozen, you can get it anywhere. Where have you been, Mac? On a desert... You must have missed the last 20 comic book films that were released in the past 5 years. I guarantee each one (except for SR) has huge fireballs, some buildings or bridges being destroyed, people running for their lives from some android or alien menace, or the heroine is hanging perilously over the edge. Err... that's exactly my point. I'm sure the effects'll look great, but that's not nearly as exciting to me as a well-told Superman story. That facepalm isn't necessary. |
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2013 15:08:51 GMT -5
You don't need to tell me that. But in terms of themes and where the story goes (from what we know so far) what's not to like?
I'm not saying all I need is action, but let's face it, action is crucial to this given that was the major complaint over the last failed Superman film.
If you're lucky the film will flop and you can come in and piss on everyones bonfire some more. I don't even know what we were thinking, getting excited over a Superman film ;D
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Post by Jor-L5150 on May 7, 2013 15:47:29 GMT -5
I can see what you guys mean- and like eccentric and kev I know I'm too emotionally invested in superman to get too detatched.
But frankly I'm too tired of being anxious. I went into superman returns with completely unrealistic expectations- and then superman went back into develpment heck. I was one of those guys- bitching and bitching and bitching and bitching.
I'm tired of it. I hit bottom when they said snyder would direct and armie hammer was the front runner. Since then its been a slow-steady uphill to where I feel..."at ease".
I don't need "casablanca" - just make it cool and fun, don't make it cheap and sleazy - don't insult me every 5 minutes. That's all.
And - as for the speed ramping- its GOING to happen. Look for tv spot 4.
Its going to happen- and it actually IS the best way to show a character with "superspeed" in world with reg'a'lar humans.
I think- that by now- snyder has learned some restraint. He has insisted its his most restrained/realistic film yet. What I hear about tv spot 4 reminds me of SR (say what we will- it had its moments and one was: ) where superman flew in front of bullets when the bank robber pointed the gattlin gun at the security gaurd- no one complained about that shot eh?
That kind of effect is pefect for conveying super speed. As long as its used judicously I'm fine with it.
Except for val- everyone I've ever heard complain about snyder's slo-mo has at least 2 of the 3 official watchman versions.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2013 15:52:55 GMT -5
I only have the one. I actually wanna watch it soon. Maybe I won't hate it as much.
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Post by Jor-L5150 on May 7, 2013 15:53:08 GMT -5
And one thing I love about the marketing to date- with regard to trailers/teasers/viral- this is I think unique, have you noticed the way the footage we see is built upon the footage we saw last time?
Each trailer/tv spot expands and enforces what came before. As underwhelming as those first teasers were they set a platform for what was to come.
The ads are building scope and narrative- just am earth bound glimpse at first and then more and more ~ without (ahem- marvel) giving away every money shot.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2013 16:33:25 GMT -5
Some of us have only had ONE Superman film released in our life times.
So fuck it, I'm going to enjoy it because it doesn't happen. It might be shit, but I don't want to sit and be too negative about it, I'd rather enjoy it.
As for the action shots, that's how to sell it. If you all think you can cell it with more dialogue and glimpses of action after what happened with SR, you're way off the mark.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2013 18:07:08 GMT -5
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Post by Valentine Smith on May 7, 2013 18:09:24 GMT -5
If they had to e-mail him the name of his role, it ain't Lex Luthor or Brainiac. It's probably another Kryptonian or some comparatively minor villain.
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Post by Jor-L5150 on May 7, 2013 18:10:47 GMT -5
I'm not biting on that one.
Its either a red herring- or he's just shot from behind to "suggest" luthor.
I know there's a tradition of hiring alumni for parts in later superman productions...but the clone of smallvilles lex is really reaching..
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2013 18:18:04 GMT -5
It ain't gonna be him. They aren't gonna go to HIM to play one of the most famous bad guys of all time. A dude known for playing the cloned version of him on a mostly shitty TV show? Please. He's gonna be a Kryptonian or in the Army or some shit.
Okay, it BETTER not be him.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2013 18:20:04 GMT -5
It ain't gonna be him. They aren't gonna go to HIM to play one of the most famous bad guys of all time. A dude known for playing the cloned version of him on a mostly shitty TV show? Please. He's gonna be a Kryptonian or in the Army or some shit. Okay, it BETTER not be him.  |
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Post by Valentine Smith on May 7, 2013 18:23:36 GMT -5
Exactly. Especially since they've gone out of their way to distance themselves from other incarnations of Superman, I'm sure Smallville is pretty far from their list of priorities.
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Post by SupermanUF on May 7, 2013 20:37:34 GMT -5
I know I said I wouldn't listen to the soundtrack previews until watching the movie, but damn, I couldn't resist.
There's parts that are Blade Runner, and parts that remind me of LucasArts' The Dig that already conjure images of flying through space. I absolutely love it.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2013 20:40:00 GMT -5
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Post by Shane on May 7, 2013 21:10:13 GMT -5
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Post by Rod on May 7, 2013 21:41:19 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2013 22:27:22 GMT -5
These might be worth something when I'm dead, but for now they're just my shitty art work. These were done today in oil pastel (it is not crayon). I haven't created any art in a few years, so I'm a bit rusty. The first one is pretty shitty. I have tortillon sticks for blending, but I got a bit lazy because there was too much shadow. I also picked a lousy shade for the flesh. The second one is not as bad, plus I was able to play with different shades of color to create highlights (since the original pic is lit from the back and overhead). It's so difficult to fully recreate those photos in such a crude medium because of the wacky lighting and the texture of the suit.   |
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Post by ChrisM on May 7, 2013 22:30:58 GMT -5
Where have you been, Mac? On a desert... You must have missed the last 20 comic book films that were released in the past 5 years. I guarantee each one (except for SR) has huge fireballs, some buildings or bridges being destroyed, people running for their lives from some android or alien menace, or the heroine is hanging perilously over the edge. Err... that's exactly my point. I'm sure the effects'll look great, but that's not nearly as exciting to me as a well-told Superman story. That facepalm isn't necessary. Ah - I just assumed you were being sarcastic. |
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2013 23:09:56 GMT -5
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Post by riderfan on May 7, 2013 23:10:04 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2013 23:50:03 GMT -5
I hereby embargo everything but what is shown on TV!
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 8, 2013 2:04:45 GMT -5
Well, the acting, the story, and the drama is what made SR a winner in my book.... but even then, I've always thought: it wouldn't have hurt this film ONE BIT if it had great action (or a superpowered villain).
With Snyder directing, I've always (and still do) worry that the acting will be taken down by poor direction/editing (this happened in Watchmen under Snyder's watch to some great actors) --- and Snyder had a great story with Watchmen to begin with.... and messed it up pretty bad, certain 'off' character beats and choices here and there--- such that- even though it resembled the book on the surface, very little of the power of the original book came through.
So, on a certain level, I hear what you're saying and we're on the same page, but....
Just as Jor-L said, I went from being extremely irritated at the whole unnecessary notion of a reboot, to actually being excited at some of the choices and changes that were made... that COULD work... and hopefully they do.
Saying that I hope the action scenes are long and mind-blowing--- well, what's wrong with saying that? I'm not saying that's the ONLY thing I want. I've been mr. bitch/complain about Snyder's handing of drama from my first post- I just thought I'd share aspects of the movie we've now been privvy to and what does look like could be great after all.
I'll be cautious up until the last frame of the film.
And, oddly, despite there being tons of mindless giant spectacle on the bigscreen for decades now with fx technology..... there might only be a dozen or so that have blown me away because all the other elements were properly in place- not the least of which is being able to believe in and care about the characters who are in the same frame as the big explosions.
But- even then, I think there is such a thing as artistry to creating really memorable action sequences. Case in point: Despite better fx in many superhero films that have come since then- can the STM helicopter sequence or the White House or Daily Planet attack sequence in SII by Donner/Baird be topped?
Some I think have matched them, but I don't feel any have topped them.... so it's not about seeing something again, but how it's done that makes it jump out at you and I think that makes all the difference in the world.... that's what I hope to see in Snyder's MOS- I love SR, but the little action there was in there (and how it was shot/edited) didn't feel all that impressive to me.
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Post by cypher85 on May 8, 2013 9:50:40 GMT -5
17 Minutes of the Score
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