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Post by EnriqueH on Dec 8, 2013 10:33:21 GMT -5
What about Jor El's dragonfly?
How did it know Jor El would jump off that ledge?
I liked the movie, but again, it doesn't hold up to scrutiny very well. Some very clumsy stuff in it.
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Post by Metallo on Dec 8, 2013 10:49:26 GMT -5
What about Jor El's dragonfly? How did it know Jor El would jump off that ledge? I liked the movie, but again, it doesn't hold up to scrutiny very well. Some very clumsy stuff in it. Well it's like you said they have all these interesting ideas but they're like...half baked or forgotten about later on. Jor El and Jonathan Kent both brought up these great ideas and ideals where Clark could bridge the gap or stand tall revealing himself to the world. Then there was the huge deal made about revelation of et life and how that would change the world but the movie drops the ball on a lot of that. They had the perfect setup for some great payoffs at the end but oh well. |
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Dec 8, 2013 12:59:43 GMT -5
Watched it on Blu-Ray last night. Thoroughly enjoyable, the Krypton stuff just blows my mind. If I were to focus on negatives, I hate the fact he went to a pedo priest for guidance, what was the point in that? Surely it would have been better if he went to Martha? Seems like Goyer is a crazy catholic and just wanted that in there. I love what we got to see in terms of action, but they really set themselves up to be picked off by having all the action so concentrated with little in between. But thoroughly enjoyable. Still think Crowe was my favourite in the film, but really can't wait to see Cavill back in the suit, loved his final scene as Superman with General Swanwick, total Superman. goyer was hitting the highlights reel of some graphic novels that were acclaimed, and "for tomorrow" and superman asks a priest for advice as to how a certain situation would affect people with regard to faith- and dan jurgens follow-up to doomsday ("DAY of DOOM") explored the idea a bit too, with a priest actually pissed that superman came back from the dead, and it undercuts the story of jesus (in his view). |
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Dec 8, 2013 13:05:53 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2013 13:21:37 GMT -5
Didn't know that Jor, cheers! I still didn't like it though, just something off about it. With regards to the above. I've given up with the hypocrisies. Getting into it only ends in tears!  |
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Post by EnriqueH on Dec 8, 2013 13:31:31 GMT -5
See? Kris dismisses opinions disrespectfully. And I'm the bad guy. Different context. With Doomsday, Superman was going to his death. He was basically saying goodbye. In that Superman II deleted scene, it was after the whole thing was over. It wasn't sexual. They were breaking up and it was a kind of goodbye, it has to be over. If this was what MOS was going for, it wasn't clear because it seemed sexual and flirty, which was not the tone of the photos. I don't recognize the TAS still. |
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Dec 8, 2013 13:33:33 GMT -5
i keed i keed...
OH- and i dont know if goyer is catholic or not.
in the superman tradition the Kents were Methodist (fairly common in rural/agricultural areas, a mild type of nominal church). but its been suggested (tom dehavens novel "ITS SUPERMAN") that jon kent was a closet athiest all along. you kind of get that vibe in MoS. the kents probably went to church most sundays, and went to pot-lucks and had weddings/funerals with a minister/reverend around. jon kent knew that aliens were real and the "big picture" presented by the church/bible believers didnt include what jon knew.
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Post by atp on Dec 8, 2013 13:51:13 GMT -5
The only reason that church scene was in MoS was so we could see Cavill superimposed on the stained glass window.
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Post by Metallo on Dec 8, 2013 14:18:54 GMT -5
That's so fucking far off. In every pic of the two of them you posted they'd already built a deep relationship. They kissed outside the fortress in the II Donner footage not amongst the ruins and dead of Metropolis. AND it was the second movie. They didn't kiss in the first movie and they actually waited before they took the romance there. The pic from Superman Doomsday is in the Fortress BEFORE the fight and destruction even happens. So...what the heck? That one doesn't even fit what you are complaining about. The panel from death of Superman has him kissing her GOODBYE because he knows this is a fight he's probably not going to come back from. Totally different circumstances. And they'd been in an relationship for YEARS at that point. There was no RUSH to a romantic moment in any of the three examples you posted. In MOS they are sucking face on top of what is essentially a mass grave or they're wasting time sucking face while people are buried alive waiting for help. Snydermans seeming apathy makes it look worse. In II, Doomsday, and Death of Superman Superman busted his ass to protect and save people during the chaos in Metropolis well before he kissed Lois. |
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Dec 8, 2013 15:05:03 GMT -5
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Post by Metallo on Dec 8, 2013 15:37:04 GMT -5
Not hate. Your examples are so inaccurate that I'm lost for a reason why. Especially Superman doomsday.
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Dec 8, 2013 16:15:57 GMT -5
it was hyperbole.
i cant believe anyone takes any post here seriously.
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Post by EnriqueH on Dec 8, 2013 17:11:36 GMT -5
it was hyperbole. i cant believe anyone takes any post here seriously. Sometimes, it's hard to tell if someone is serious or just ball busting. |
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Post by eccentricbeing on Dec 8, 2013 18:01:12 GMT -5
Strange that you say that.
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Post by Paul (ral) on Dec 8, 2013 18:18:14 GMT -5
And that brings me to another problem I had with the movie: The two big deaths in the film, Pa Kent and Zod, were preventable. At no point does the movie justify that those two had to die the way they did. Well, according to Snyder Zod's death serves as a lesson to Superman that he shouldn't kill. You know, cause unlike the rest of us Superman has no moral upbringing that tells him not to kill...well apart from Jonathan and Martha...but then Jonathan spent most of the time busting his balls (of steel). In all seriousness, I don't mind Zod's death - I just think Snyder's "after the fact" justification for it is awful. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2013 18:31:49 GMT -5
Snyder didn't write it. Surely Goyer should be explaining these sorts of things?
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Post by theoj on Dec 8, 2013 19:03:26 GMT -5
There better be at least 60% of Superman in MOS 2 or whatever it's called or I'll be rather angry!
I would guess 25-30% Batman and less than 10% introducing the other superheroes who will be fully revealed in the sequel.
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Post by EnriqueH on Dec 8, 2013 19:47:04 GMT -5
Strange that you say that. Really? I thought it was rather appropriate. |
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Post by EnriqueH on Dec 8, 2013 19:48:25 GMT -5
Snyder didn't write it. Surely Goyer should be explaining these sorts of things? Right. Because the director has no say... |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2013 19:51:36 GMT -5
He didn't write it though. Surely the best person to ask is the writer?
And according to some Snyder doesn't have a say, he's a yes man who just follows orders. Can't be both.
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Post by Shane on Dec 8, 2013 20:04:21 GMT -5
isn't snyder writing the sequel?
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Post by Paul (ral) on Dec 8, 2013 20:13:38 GMT -5
It was Goyer and Snyder's call to have Zod killed - going against Nolan's choice to have him sucked into the Phantom Zone.
Surely Snyder would have to be on the same page as Goyer to include the scene...therefore what Snyder says has to be what Goyer thinks. No?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2013 20:45:30 GMT -5
They're still playing tonsil hockey among death and destruction, no matter what level of relationship is in the different presentations.
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Post by Melv on Dec 8, 2013 21:24:25 GMT -5
I mainly dislike that kiss because of the horrible dialogue. It's the only cringeworthy moment of the film in my opinion.
Though STM has Can You Read My Mind, so no film is perfect.
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Post by Metallo on Dec 8, 2013 22:07:05 GMT -5
And that brings me to another problem I had with the movie: The two big deaths in the film, Pa Kent and Zod, were preventable. At no point does the movie justify that those two had to die the way they did. Well, according to Snyder Zod's death serves as a lesson to Superman that he shouldn't kill. You know, cause unlike the rest of us Superman has no moral upbringing that tells him not to kill...well apart from Jonathan and Martha...but then Jonathan spent most of the time busting his balls (of steel). In all seriousness, I don't mind Zod's death - I just think Snyder's "after the fact" justification for it is awful. Yeah we don't see that explored or explained near the end of the film at all besides a scream. In the next few scenes the movie jumps ahead who knows how far and Superman seems fine with no mention of it. Like it never happened. Like you said its like he comes up with this shit to try to retroactively explain it. |
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