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Post by EnriqueH on Dec 11, 2013 10:11:40 GMT -5
The ACTORS cast are GREAT in MOS.... and some scenes are fine to me performance-wise, but mostly not, to me. While there's a couple of bits with Routh that I had trouble with in SR, it's nowhere near the amount of scenes in MOS to me that felt unnatural in either: (1) how they were staged/scripted, that seem strange or 'off' -or- (2) how they were paced or how the actors react to one another, with what they're saying. This is EXACTLY how I felt with Watchmen's mostly great cast and resulting stilted scenes.... which is why I feel like the blame goes to Snyder. Believe me, I WANT/WANTED MOS to thrill me as much as its trailer did. I just didn't feel it, though I know others did. About SR's cast: I've mentioned some weak spots with Routh, but Bosworth gets a lot of attacks here as being worthless as Lois, but I really thought she was good (not great) in SR. I believed her, but (just like how Perry White was cast) I didn't think that she was the best of all available choices... but good enough, and to me, far better choice than Amy Adams' take on it. Anyhow.... it's not battling. I believe the folks here that genuinely feel moved by MOS and the performances, and I respect that difference of opinion. I thought some parts worked fine, but too many not to really fall head over heels for MOS. Still like it, but I really do (in my mind) need to look at it as a fan film/ alternate universe Superman film to enjoy it. To be honest dude I smell bullshit with that one. There's a shocker!!! |
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Post by Metallo on Dec 11, 2013 11:07:36 GMT -5
MOS has everyone underplay it too. Fishburne certainly didn't have the Perry White fire either. If we are comparing Langella even had more of that personality than he did. Adams gets more to do but she's miscast. They stuck a great Lana Lang in the Lojs role. Lots of that in Snyers movies. Watchmen had some good performances but it wasnt cause of Snyder. Silk Spectre II was meh and Ozymandias was horrible. There's no consistently great performances across the board. It's obvious his more interested in the visual stuff than the performances and substance of a film. That's why I kept saying he and Martin Campbell shoulda swapped DC projects.
Cavill should have delivered where Routh failed based on experience but he comes off as cold and flat. The Honest trailer had it right.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2013 11:07:43 GMT -5
Not really. I was pretty sure from the start he wasn't keen to see MOS do well.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2013 11:10:07 GMT -5
That's just your opinion Tallo, please for the love of god stop passing it off as fact. Anyone reading your MOS comments would be forgiven for thinking it was the worst film ever made. Any time someone criticizes another Superman film you don't need to race in and take every argument and tell us why it was actually done worse in MOS.
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Post by Metallo on Dec 11, 2013 11:22:36 GMT -5
That's just your opinion Tallo, please for the love of god stop passing it off as fact. Anyone reading your MOS comments would be forgiven for thinking it was the worst film ever made. Any time someone criticizes another Superman film you don't need to race in and take every argument and tell us why it was actually done worse in MOS. Yeah it's my opinion. Id tell you to stop passing yours off as fact. As soon as CAM gave his opinion you had to bounce in trying to pick it apart by saying the leads were weak like it was gospel truth. MOS is surely better acted? How? Maybe you think so but how is it SURELY? You smell bullshit? Get off it it's CAMS opinion. You're doing the same thing Enrique accuses you of right now. And you wonder why he enjoys busting your balls. You are giving him stuff to work with. It Cavill and co are so much better like its a fact where's the examples? I could list off fifty things that have made the great Supermen great right now. The nuance that made them good in details. And it wasn't isn't because Reeve had the reporter persona to work with. Unlike Cavill Reeve had more than three facial expressions and speak in the same tone of voice most of the time. Routh had his flaws but Cavill really wasn't much better. Id say his Superman was more macho but that's was a creative choice from everyone involved. Fishburnes Perry is a plot device. You could pull him from movie and with a few changes it wouldn't be all that noticeable. Pull Cooper or Hamilton out and you miss entertaining performances. |
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Post by EnriqueH on Dec 11, 2013 11:34:24 GMT -5
That's just your opinion Tallo, please for the love of god stop passing it off as fact. Anyone reading your MOS comments would be forgiven for thinking it was the worst film ever made. Any time someone criticizes another Superman film you don't need to race in and take every argument and tell us why it was actually done worse in MOS. Comical! This from the guy who called Cam's opinion "bullshit". |
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Post by Metallo on Dec 11, 2013 11:38:24 GMT -5
What I want to know is how is MOS being better acted a sure thing? I thought we were talking about opinions and NOT passing them off as fact.  Is a "taking a shit" grimace a sign of better acting? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2013 11:50:44 GMT -5
I'm not even getting into it Tallo. You've been called out on it enough. You've posted the same drivel countless times, even when Russ cited one part of MOS he liked you couldn't resist chiming in to have a go at that too. I think obsessed is the word to describe it. You're incapable of taking any positive remarks with it
Enrique, I've got no time for you and your frat boy plastic hard ass persona.
Both clowns back on block (Enrique you were always on block to be fair). Sorry tallo, i'm already disgusted with how much time I've wasted going back and forth with you. I just don't have the time for it anymore, I certainly don't have time to obsess over a film I proclaim to dislike thats for sure.
And Enrique, CAM knows thats my opinion. he's admitted himself that SR is weakly acted so I'm logically asking why it's more of an issue in MOS. Fucking baldy retard
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Post by Metallo on Dec 11, 2013 12:02:40 GMT -5
I'm not even getting into it Tallo. You've been called out on it enough. You've posted the same drivel countless times, even when Russ cited one part of MOS he liked you couldn't resist chiming in to have a go at that too. I think obsessed is the word to describe it. You're incapable of taking any positive remarks with it Enrique, I've got no time for you and your frat boy plastic hard ass persona. Both clowns back on block (Enrique you were always on block to be fair). Sorry tallo, i'm already disgusted with how much time I've wasted going back and forth with you. I just don't have the time for it anymore, I certainly don't have time to obsess over a film I proclaim to dislike thats for sure. And Enrique, CAM knows thats my opinion. he's admitted himself that SR is weakly acted so I'm logically asking why it's more of an issue in MOS. Fucking baldy retard Aaaand. and as usual Kris hurls insults when he has no proper response. Kris doesn't answer the question and goes full hypocrite when his own behavior gets pointed out. Why'd you take us off block in the first place? You musta felt like bitching. CAM never said the whole of SR was weakly acted. He said it had some flaws. He also just said he thought the cast was good. Enrique's snared you by the balls yet again. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2013 12:26:06 GMT -5
Away and find yourself a woman you weirdo
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Post by Metallo on Dec 11, 2013 12:31:10 GMT -5
It certainly won't be one like you, Krissy. I guess you do want to bitch and complain. For the love of god put me on ignore.
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Post by Jimbo on Dec 11, 2013 12:37:27 GMT -5
Man of Steel, the movie that brings us all together.
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Post by EnriqueH on Dec 11, 2013 13:23:36 GMT -5
I fully endorse a temporary ban I Kris for name calling.
It's what he wants.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Dec 11, 2013 13:26:21 GMT -5
The ACTORS cast are GREAT in MOS.... and some scenes are fine to me performance-wise, but mostly not, to me. While there's a couple of bits with Routh that I had trouble with in SR, it's nowhere near the amount of scenes in MOS to me that felt unnatural in either: (1) how they were staged/scripted, that seem strange or 'off' -or- (2) how they were paced or how the actors react to one another, with what they're saying. This is EXACTLY how I felt with Watchmen's mostly great cast and resulting stilted scenes.... which is why I feel like the blame goes to Snyder. Believe me, I WANT/WANTED MOS to thrill me as much as its trailer did. I just didn't feel it, though I know others did. About SR's cast: I've mentioned some weak spots with Routh, but Bosworth gets a lot of attacks here as being worthless as Lois, but I really thought she was good (not great) in SR. I believed her, but (just like how Perry White was cast) I didn't think that she was the best of all available choices... but good enough, and to me, far better choice than Amy Adams' take on it. Anyhow.... it's not battling. I believe the folks here that genuinely feel moved by MOS and the performances, and I respect that difference of opinion. I thought some parts worked fine, but too many not to really fall head over heels for MOS. Still like it, but I really do (in my mind) need to look at it as a fan film/ alternate universe Superman film to enjoy it. To be honest dude I smell bullshit with that one. Are you calling me dishonest? I don't appreciate that at all, if that's so. |
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Post by EnriqueH on Dec 11, 2013 13:39:09 GMT -5
Get ready for a BOSS BATTLE, KRISSY!!!
BAN!!!! BAN!!!!! BAN!!!!
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Post by Metallo on Dec 11, 2013 15:20:25 GMT -5
Dude, forget the ban hammer.
Kris wants Cavills MAN HAMMER.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2013 15:30:30 GMT -5
To be honest dude I smell bullshit with that one. Are you calling me dishonest? I don't appreciate that at all, if that's so. Well you seem pretty hung up on the fact SR didn't get a sequel, and I think there are hints in a few of your posts at having a little resentment towards the new project that got its place. Obviously when you criticize the acting in MOS and love SR which is quite poorly acted in places as you, yourself have admitted, it does make you wonder how much you really wanted the other film to do well. Maybe out of line saying that, but that's what I think. Don't get me wrong dude, it's not like you have a seething hatred of it, or Snyder like tallo and its leading you to bitch and moan about everything and anything obsessively. But just subtle hints I got from a few posts. |
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Post by EnriqueH on Dec 11, 2013 15:44:57 GMT -5
Are you calling me dishonest? I don't appreciate that at all, if that's so. Well you seem pretty hung up on the fact SR didn't get a sequel, and I think there are hints in a few of your posts at having a little resentment towards the new project that got its place. Obviously when you criticize the acting in MOS and love SR which is quite poorly acted in places as you, yourself have admitted, it does make you wonder how much you really wanted the other film to do well. Maybe out of line saying that, but that's what I think. Don't get me wrong dude, it's not like you have a seething hatred of it, or Snyder like tallo and its leading you to bitch and moan about everything and anything obsessively. But just subtle hints I got from a few posts. Smells like bullshit to me. |
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Post by Shane on Dec 11, 2013 15:45:04 GMT -5
can we ban enrique again?
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Post by EnriqueH on Dec 11, 2013 16:06:03 GMT -5
Oh I see.
Kris is allowed to insult people, but I'm not allowed to bust chops.
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Post by Melv on Dec 11, 2013 16:18:02 GMT -5
Well, Kris is saying that he doesn't believe CAM and gives his reasons politely barring the term 'bullshit' which most people don't find offensive.
You are repeating Kris' phrase purely to piss him off. There are differences.
And Metallo is again insinuating that Kris is gay to insult him.
Kris isn't innocent but he normally comes at things from a positive angle. He doesn't try to belittle every single comment.
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Post by Shane on Dec 11, 2013 16:19:20 GMT -5
do us a favor metallo and don't go see the sequel please
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Dec 11, 2013 16:30:15 GMT -5
FACT: SR and MOS are just movies... and that's it. OPINION: Worth arguing over and belittling one another's opinions? Each person decides for themselves....  MY OPINION: I learned how everyone feels about the film already. I shared mine. I don't care anymore if anyone believes it or not. It's just too exciting for me around here. Need to retire to the old folks home and take a nap. Have fun, folks.... |
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Post by Metallo on Dec 11, 2013 16:34:47 GMT -5
Well, Kris is saying that he doesn't believe CAM and gives his reasons politely barring the term 'bullshit' which most people don't find offensive. You are repeating Kris' phrase purely to piss him off. There are differences. And Metallo is again insinuating that Kris is gay to insult him. Kris isn't innocent but he normally comes at things from a positive angle. He doesn't try to belittle every single comment. Really? I've had people tell ME they find it offensive around here? Double standard because of what Kris said? Kris could have found a more respectful way to disagree with what CAM said since he's always complaining about others and how they do it. But saying how CAM feels is "bullshit" is way too far. You say I'm insinuating Kris is gay? He's said the same or worse about me. I was joking. Just responding in kind. Like I said before why don't you comment when he does it to me? He always starts that kind of talk first. Kris doesn't come at things negative? Oh come on. I THINK you're thinking of CAM. |
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Post by Metallo on Dec 11, 2013 16:36:56 GMT -5
do us a favor metallo and don't go see the sequel please SEQUEL? Is that coming after the damage control mishmash that's going by "Batman vs Superman" at the moment? Maybe they should do the Superman character a favor and cancel this clusterfuck. But we know that's not going to happen. |
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