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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 6, 2011 10:49:35 GMT -5
Naw, I was joking. The time travel thing is kind of screwed up to begin with, but everyone buys it for the emotional payoff.
That would have felt anticlimactic to me. Since they didn't have the superhero battle I mentioned, for the last act, everything was steering towards Superman doing something heroic that almost kills him. If he lifts the mass without kryptonite poisoning him, it's not nearly as dramatic.
When he does, and we have the hospital scene, it gives a graceful (less words the better) way for Lois to deliver her news about Jason being his son- while he's asleep.
When he does discover it, rather than have a direct conversation about it- it's done in quiet tones that have more subtlety and power to it. The 'will you be around'/'I'm always around'- on the surface sounds ambiguous, but it's not. He's not leaving earth or the family again, but he's not going to intrude either.
I think what's in the film already is an upbeat ending- without hitting false notes. It's bittersweet.
Still...
If they were going to ONLY have this movie and no sequel, though, I would have had Richard die later on to give closure to the dilemma of 'how do you let Richard know he's not the dad without making Lois and Superman look REALLY bad'?
It is a pity that Singer left it that open for a sequel.... I think that they would have closed a few more open threads, if he had more of a feeling that the one movie might be 'it'.
*sigh*
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Post by Knight on Aug 6, 2011 13:13:57 GMT -5
(sorry to swing off topic here...)
Just got the Br set for my birthday off my friends,who I will be forever in their debt...slave,anything...
Anyway. Superman 3 looks excellent,yes!! Look ma' no wires,finally!!
However,has anyone noticed the new effect when Superman uses his heat vision during the junkyard scrap? The red beam has been touched up with a bit of white?
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Post by TylerDurden389 on Aug 6, 2011 17:27:45 GMT -5
Why has NO ONE EVER pointed out that the Earth's gravity would've simply pulled the giant mass back in, and Supes' efforts would've been in vain?
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 7, 2011 1:50:46 GMT -5
I think since we're a group that forgives the ridiculousness of Superman spinning the world backwards in STM, and pushing the moon such that it blots out the sun in SIV without any ill gravitional effects to the world..... we're not exactly sticklers (or maybe shouldn't be) for realism in Superman films at this point...  |
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Post by MAVERICK on Aug 7, 2011 2:04:59 GMT -5
Some here only forgive it when it suits their argument.
They forgive it without question in a movie they are defending, & slam it hard in a movie they don't care for. And for some, it's not just that they don't care for it, it bothers them that others like it so much. ;D
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Post by Jimbo on Aug 7, 2011 2:14:15 GMT -5
Hey, I want to know who exactly stole the kryptonite in Addis Ababa. Does Lex have the ability to call someone up to do his dirty jobs? If so, why the heck does he keep Otis around? And how did they possibly have enough time to ship the kryptonite out to Metropolis in a couple hours? AND had enough time during that to fashion a nice medallion out of it?
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Post by MAVERICK on Aug 7, 2011 2:23:56 GMT -5
No, its ok, because its a movie they CHOOSE to defend. All they have to say is " But its so fucking good that we over look it! Budget blah blah blah, constraints blah blah blah, intent blah blah blah" Now, we must go hate SR, because it annoys us that other people like it & defend it with the same love & excuses. ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by Conor on Aug 7, 2011 2:30:48 GMT -5
Why has NO ONE EVER pointed out that the Earth's gravity would've simply pulled the giant mass back in, and Supes' efforts would've been in vain? Deleted scenes state it is between Mars and Saturn!  If you want to enjoy SR watch ADM's cut on fanedit.info. I hope now with the RTK scene released he'll incorporate that and do it in BR instead of standard DVD! |
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Post by ye5man on Aug 7, 2011 5:10:54 GMT -5
No, its ok, because its a movie they CHOOSE to defend. All they have to say is " But its so fucking good that we over look it! Budget blah blah blah, constraints blah blah blah, intent blah blah blah" Now, we must go hate SR, because it annoys us that other people like it & defend it with the same love & excuses. ;D ;D ;D Presume that was aimed at me. A fail though; I will not defend any crap from SIV - I can just understand where budget stopped producers from doing what they really wanted, unlike SR where the deliberate decision from the get-go was a slap in the face to Superman-lore Turning back the world was plugged in at the end of STM too. It would have worked better in S2 seeing as that film was full of WTF powers. |
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Post by ye5man on Aug 7, 2011 5:13:12 GMT -5
They forgive it without question in a movie they are defending, & slam it hard in a movie they don't care for. Are you not speaking about SR defenders? |
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Post by Paul (ral) on Aug 7, 2011 9:08:55 GMT -5
For me,
When Supes goes back in time in STM, he isn't changing the rotation of the earth - he is going back in time so to him is appears to go backwards. By flying around the earth he is using it's gravitational pull to slingshot himself and increase speed to time travel.
The fact that he goes in the other direction after that is dumb.
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Post by TylerDurden389 on Aug 7, 2011 9:32:25 GMT -5
Guys, I agree with what you're saying. Yes, some of us pick and choose which things to nitpick, and which to forgive. However, the one thing I kept hearing in the interviews for Superman Returns was the realistic use of Supes' powers. The sonic booms in the air when he flies, how he "collects" energy from the sun (after Lois saves him), how he "stores" energy that he fire out of his eyes, and of course, the bullet shattering on Supes' eye. However, when it came to something that IS real (ie: the Earth's gravitational pull), that was one thing they let go. No consistency in their argument at all.
While we're at it, more nitpicking. Instead of putting himself in danger, Supes' could've broken down the rock by using his heat vision from a distance (as he did to get inside of it), while still high up in the sky, to "recharge his batteries" and keep him at 100%. Yeah, I know it means no big feat for the ending, but from a practical point of view I think Supes would've done that instead.
Ugh, all these years I told myself I would never get into a discussion about SR. Well, here we are lol.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 7, 2011 9:47:56 GMT -5
I hear ya, Tyler.
He also could have used his super-breath to freeze Luthor and company from a distance and given us an upbeat ending. With his powers, there are so many rules that could EASILY contradict one another, that so long as the emotional story gets me, and it doesn't FEEL too illogical to me, I'm good with it.
((*Two things that always got me as a kid: "If he could have stopped World War II, why didn't he just kill Hitler?". Thus, why I admired SIV for TRYING to answer that kind of question. Secondly, "if he can constantly hear all the suffering in the world- how can he have time to be Clark Kent or do anything else? Wouldn't there be an emergency somewhere in the world every few seconds? Being aware of this, makes a 'realistic' Superman hard to envision at times, I would imagine.))
That's probably why I am suprised when I get into many different nitpick arguments with other comic fans. Sometimes its fun to explore, sometimes it's exhausting- but in the end, it's not really achieving anything other than: "Because I feel this way, I must be more right than you."
But it's a little pointless- like you said Tyler, fans get drawn to different things (I know I do) that bug them about different films and can't help but nitpick this or that. It's like defending who one marries, I imagine. A best friend may pick out this, that, or the other thing about what's wrong with that person- but if someone loves the whole (or hates the whole thing), it's going to be difficult to convince them they're wrong about it or anything wrong...
As for me, LOVE STM to death. But I still think reversing time is the dumbest story solution for a Superman here ever. If they HAD to do it, they should have found a more plausible way to do it. But, I still love it and don't care.
Landmasses? I didn't bat an eye. Thought it was cool.
Again, movies are about what you like, not what you think is logical anyways, no?
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Post by inebriated87 on Aug 7, 2011 9:58:10 GMT -5
Anyway. Superman 3 looks excellent,yes!! Look ma' no wires,finally!! However,has anyone noticed the new effect when Superman uses his heat vision during the junkyard scrap? The red beam has been touched up with a bit of white? They were always there. I think it was supposed to be dirty heat vision - like lumpy gravy, ya know ? |
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Post by MAVERICK on Aug 7, 2011 10:57:12 GMT -5
I can just understand where budget stopped producers from doing what they really wanted, unlike SR where the deliberate decision from the get-go was a slap in the face to Superman-lore. Turning back the world was plugged in at the end of STM too. It would have worked better in S2 seeing as that film was full of WTF powers. But its so fucking good that we over look it! Budget blah blah blah, constraints blah blah blah, intent blah blah blah. They forgive it without question in a movie they are defending, & slam it hard in a movie they don't care for. Are you not speaking about SR defenders? No, SR defenders aren't annoyed by the fact that people like the Reeve movies. |
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Post by ye5man on Aug 7, 2011 11:13:49 GMT -5
What the fuck are you on?
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Post by MAVERICK on Aug 7, 2011 11:37:45 GMT -5
I've been wanting to ask you the same thing for years.  |
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Post by ye5man on Aug 7, 2011 11:53:59 GMT -5
Didn't know you were that interested  |
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Post by MAVERICK on Aug 7, 2011 11:55:08 GMT -5
One doesn't really have to ask does he. |
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Post by Knight on Aug 7, 2011 12:48:41 GMT -5
Anyway. Superman 3 looks excellent,yes!! Look ma' no wires,finally!! However,has anyone noticed the new effect when Superman uses his heat vision during the junkyard scrap? The red beam has been touched up with a bit of white? They were always there. I think it was supposed to be dirty heat vision - like lumpy gravy, ya know ? Thanks for that,I get ya'... |
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Post by ye5man on Aug 7, 2011 13:03:10 GMT -5
One doesn't really have to ask does he. When one has little time, one has to be obvious |
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Post by MAVERICK on Aug 7, 2011 14:05:15 GMT -5
Glad you've mastered that ;D
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Post by atp on Aug 7, 2011 14:49:12 GMT -5
One doesn't really have to ask does he. When one has little time, one has to be obvious It just so happens that I like conch chowder. |
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Post by ye5man on Aug 7, 2011 14:59:36 GMT -5
Ah ATP, you wish to put the evil eye on me, eh?
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Post by atp on Aug 7, 2011 15:01:38 GMT -5
We have a way to deal with that where I come from.
(In CGI)
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If you want to enjoy SR watch ADM's cut on fanedit.info. I hope now with the RTK scene released he'll incorporate that and do it in BR instead of standard DVD!
