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Post by ChrisM on May 12, 2011 12:08:05 GMT -5
there is this site, fan edit nation or whatever it's called, that has a couple of pretty good hybrid cuts based on overall feedback...
has anyone downloaded and viewed? opinions?
and also, how complicated is it to download and assemble the digital cut once you have registered?
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Post by TylerDurden389 on May 12, 2011 18:04:15 GMT -5
I've seen them all. There's probably close to 15 different fan edits of Superman 2 at this point. I also have a few fan edits that were made by members here on the board that aren't even on that site. Jimbotron has made a cut, as well as Crazy Asian Man, OneKingProds, and myself. If I had to suggest the best fan edits, I'd say The Richard Donner Cut REDUX (made by Booshman) is a good choice. Jimbo's cut is magnificent as well. But my fan edit however (insert self-promotion logo here) combines the best of all cuts (IMHO), as well as the Selutron scenes, AND my own little edits to change things.
As for downloading, it can be very confusing at first. There's a guide over on the site to help you get through it step by step, as well as a thread to ask questions, but I'll give you the basic run-down.
- Download a program called "Jdownloader" (just google it, it's free)
- Then go to fanedit.info and locate the fan edit you wanna download.
- when you find it, you go to the right side of the page and click the link under that fan edit file, it'll say either MU (for media upload) or RS (for rapidshare), This will get you the .dlc file
-after you've downloaded the .dlc file, open the jdownloader program (after installing it of course), then go to the folder you let the .dlc file go to, click it and drag it over to the main body of the jdownloader window.
-now to go the linkgrabber tab (it's in between the download and setting tabs)
-right click the file and click 'continue with all"
then it's just a matter of waiting till all the files are finished downloading. Depending on how many seeders this may take an hour, or it may take an entire day. This is of course assuming that all the files are available.
It's very confusing at first, but trust me, I've downloaded a ton of fan edits and it gets much easier. But don't just follow my advice, go to the message board on the site and familiarize yourself with it.
Happy hunting!! Oh, and my fan edit of Superman 2 is in the "unapproved section", but that's going to change someday.
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Post by ChrisM on May 13, 2011 13:16:53 GMT -5
Once all the files are downloaded do you have to reassemble?
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Post by El Presidente on May 13, 2011 14:09:33 GMT -5
Nah Chris, thats the beauty of Jdownloader. It does it for you.
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Post by ChrisM on May 20, 2011 12:00:06 GMT -5
So once JDownloader reassembles all the files, all that would be left is to burn to a DVD?
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Post by El Presidente on May 20, 2011 16:28:33 GMT -5
yep
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Post by ChrisM on May 23, 2011 11:44:15 GMT -5
so apparently if you are a free subscriber, you have to wait anywhere from 30 to 60 minutes in between downloads of individual rar files. so i was thinking ok, waiting a week is no big deal... then i get this "Plugin error (out of date)" this morning... and acording to the jdownloader site instructions, aside from notifying them, apparently there is not much I can do about it. what a royal pain in the ass.  so here i am sitting with a 32% complete download of this superman II edit, which has taken 2 days give or take, and I'm thinking is it really worth the hassle? |
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Post by ChrisM on May 23, 2011 14:07:53 GMT -5
sorry to bother you guys again...
but is there another possible way to download this fan edit?
I did a google and found some other possibilities using bit-torrent, but I am not familiar with the upside or downside.
Any advice would be appreciated.
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Post by TylerDurden389 on May 23, 2011 19:51:06 GMT -5
Like I said dude, head over to fanedit.org's message board and read the instructions. They'll have the instructions written out better than I can. Although I will say this, sometimes older fan edits will lose some of the files and it'll get stuck. I'm not sure why though. However, if you state the problem in the appropriate thread (the thread of whichever fan edit you're trying to download), the admin on the site will find it pretty quickly (if not you can always shoot him a PM), and he'll usually have the error'ed files up and running in a few days.
If you're interested in seeing my fan edit of Superman 2 (and you live in the U.S), shoot me a PM and give me your mailing info. and I'll send you a copy of mine. The only reason I mention if you live here in the U.S. is because I mailed out a copy of my cut to Pedalero (the guy who gave us the infamous "no junkyard reveal" video on youtube) and he lived in Brazil, which came to nearly 20 dollars to ship (ye-ouch). What can I say? I hadn't learned how to upload these things yet.
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Post by ChrisM on May 23, 2011 22:28:05 GMT -5
cool. which edit is yours on the site?
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Post by TylerDurden389 on May 24, 2011 17:04:43 GMT -5
cool. which edit is yours on the site? Mine is "the no camp cut" in the unapproved section. When I finish this thing for good though, I'm re-naming it "the re-powered" cut. because not only will I have a full brand new repowering scene, but also, I plan on replacing EVERY miniature flying shot with a TRUE Reeve flying shot (by using flying shots from S3). So it's like the movie is being 'repowered' with better effects. |
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Post by Jimbo on May 24, 2011 18:17:40 GMT -5
Mine has been a perpetual work-in-progress.
What I was going for was along the lines of the ABC cut + Brando - slapstick.
So essentially, it was the Lester cut with all available ABC cut additions (pulled from the DVD supplements and the Donner Cut), combining together Jor-El and Lara for the Luthor FOS and Depowering scenes, and then cutting out all the slapstick and hokey humor from East Houston and the Metropolis fight.
A lot of fan cuts seem to start with the Donner cut, and then make additions or subtractions to make a better movie. But since the Lester cut is already a better movie - in terms of production values such as editing, musical score, effects, it's best to use that as the starting point and then add and subtract.
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Post by TylerDurden389 on May 24, 2011 19:50:35 GMT -5
Agreed. Better to start with Lester version, then see which additions from the Donner Cut work, then remove Lester humor (or vice versa). Or in my case, going through the painstaking process of using the Donner video muted with Lester audio and getting everything to sync up properly lol.
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Post by ChrisM on May 26, 2011 7:27:38 GMT -5
Nah Chris, thats the beauty of Jdownloader. It does it for you. I finally have all the rar files, but it's not apparent how Jdownloader is supposed to reassemble.  EDIT: ok, so I see the VOB files -- am I to assume that a dvd player would know how to put the VOB files together? |
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Post by TylerDurden389 on May 26, 2011 10:07:16 GMT -5
am I to assume that a dvd player would know how to put the VOB files together? Download a program called "image burn", it's free. It gives you the option to click the folder that have all the vob files in it (the folder is VIDEO_TS), then you click "create image file" and it will create a .iso file. THIS is the image file. Then, using image burn still, click "write image file to disc", click on this new .iso file for it to burn, put a blank dvd into your disc drive, and you're good to go. |
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Post by ChrisM on May 26, 2011 12:56:29 GMT -5
I've had a chance to check out some of the video... it seems in several spots the audio is not synched up properly with the video... resulting in annoying segments where you see a person's mouth moving with no audible speech and vice versa.
Is that normal? That seems unforgivable given how many places it is noticeable.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 26, 2011 14:23:53 GMT -5
Sad, but ultimately true- that the finished Lester comes off smoother than the underfunded, underproduced rough Donner cut.
Almost all the items down the line of what makes the Lester 'better' is the choice of edits....Hate to keep harping on Michael Thau- but....
even down to single takes that were swapped out in individual scenes--- unless they were severely damaged & couldn't be used--- the Stuart Baird/Victor-Smith choices were better than the Thau ones.
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Post by ChrisM on May 26, 2011 22:10:46 GMT -5
Sad, but ultimately true- that the finished Lester comes off smoother than the underfunded, underproduced rough Donner cut. Almost all the items down the line of what makes the Lester 'better' is the choice of edits....Hate to keep harping on Michael Thau- but.... even down to single takes that were swapped out in individual scenes--- unless they were severely damaged & couldn't be used--- the Stuart Baird/Victor-Smith choices were better than the Thau ones. I'm confused. How does this relate to the audio synchronization issues that I mentioned? Do all fan edits have those technical handicaps as a byproduct of splicing? |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 27, 2011 0:29:21 GMT -5
I was addressing an earlier bit, but didn't have any info on your post, so that's why I didn't mention it. I have never downloaded a fan edit, so, I didn't have anything to contribute to your question, sorry.
The only thing I can think of (from my own editing) is that I do notice from time to time audio synchronization going off-sync on discs I make for myself. I don't know what causes it, but can only add that (from my limited experience) it wasn't uncommon even NOT using the net to have that unfortunate situation of sound out of sync over time on dvds.
Hope that helps, that's all I got....
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Post by TylerDurden389 on May 27, 2011 9:24:57 GMT -5
I don't know what to tell ya. I've downloaded every fan edit of Superman 2 (as well as dozens of other fan edits) and have never had a problem like that.
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Post by ChrisM on May 27, 2011 10:16:43 GMT -5
I don't know what to tell ya. I've downloaded every fan edit of Superman 2 (as well as dozens of other fan edits) and have never had a problem like that. Is it possibly because the audio is running slightly faster? - that's what it seems like... the VOB file will start out ok... but then as time goes on the displacement between audio/video becomes more noticeable. |
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Post by TylerDurden389 on May 27, 2011 14:31:30 GMT -5
Shoot on over to the fanedit message board and tell them about your problem. There will definitely be a section for troubleshooting problems. Guaranteed you get a response in a matter of minutes.
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Post by ChrisM on Jun 11, 2011 8:32:33 GMT -5
For the booshman Redux cut, how do you get the seamless branching option for the blank bullets/pink bear? I've tried everything on my SONY PS3.
As for the edit itself, having finally watched it on a HD tv, I will say overall it is pretty good. The weakest areas are the opening 15 minutes where he tries to rehash parts of STM that are not really integral. It just goes on and on... and jumps from the trial on krypton... to smallville... and then right to lois' death. You're not really sure where he's going with it. Confusing and distracting to anybody not intimately in-the-know.
Then there are a couple new effects that he added that he probably should have left out -- the junkyard reveal doesn't belong... as well as the new digital shot of Reeve fleeing metropolis. my guess is he invested too much time trying to "perfect" those shots and he wanted to have something to show for it.
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Post by SteveS on Jun 11, 2011 8:45:05 GMT -5
My IDEAL cut of S2 would be as follows:
Donner Cut opening recap with Jor-El sentencing the villains. Once they get sucked into the Phantom Zone, Then cut to the Lester cut credit sequence WITH William's STM score overlaid instead of Thorne's. Then use Lester's Paris opening. When supes launches the elevator into space, then insert the Donner cut footage of the villains being released from the Zone. Pretty much from there, I would use the Lester cut with Williams score inserted as much as possible. Obviously, we would use the fortress footage with Brando for the scenes with Clark losing his powers and gaining them again, and Donner's version of the white house invasion. I would use alot of Donner's version of the Metropolis battle at the end, with Lester's "General would you care to step outside" line. I would use Lester's ending flying the flag back to the white house though. Also, of note I would NOT use Donner's screen test version of Lois figuring out he is Superman. Lester's version in the hotel room where he puts his hand into the fire is MUCH better and far more elegantly done.
Has there been a version done like this yet?
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Post by TylerDurden389 on Jun 11, 2011 9:08:47 GMT -5
For the booshman Redux cut, how do you get the seamless branching option for the blank bullets/pink bear? I've tried everything on my SONY PS3. As for the edit itself, having finally watched it on a HD tv, I will say overall it is pretty good. The weakest areas are the opening 15 minutes where he tries to rehash parts of STM that are not really integral. It just goes on and on... and jumps from the trial on krypton... to smallville... and then right to lois' death. You're not really sure where he's going with it. Confusing and distracting to anybody not intimately in-the-know. Then there are a couple new effects that he added that he probably should have left out -- the junkyard reveal doesn't belong... as well as the new digital shot of Reeve fleeing metropolis. my guess is he invested too much time trying to "perfect" those shots and he wanted to have something to show for it. Not sure about branching. When I watched it (and burned it) it was the blank bullets reveal. Yeah, the first 15 minutes drag. I told him the jump to Supes discovering Lois didn't work. Recapping the first film during the credits is definitely one thing Lester got right, and I'd like to think that had Donner returned, he'd have done the same. The junkyard reveal effect is distracting, but it's REALLY difficult to pull off an effect like this, and I give him the utmost respect for trying. Never had a problem with the new flying shot of him fleeing the city. If anything, the flying shot right after the S reveal is what irked me. Superman appears, then just "floats" in the same spot, THEN flies forward again. Also, the music fades for this scene could've been MUCH better. Now before anyone calls me a hypocrite for defending his bad S reveal but commenting on the music fade, it is MUCH easier to do music transitions than full fledged rotoscoping with other added effects. Other than that, I liked a lot of the other effects he added in. I like how he made Jor-el's head the proper gray color, as well as using the crystal viewer for Lex to watch during the same scene. For me, little things like this (ok, maybe not so little in terms of rendering time lol) inspired me to try them out on my own. Who knows, maybe one day my fan cut of S2 won't even have any of Selutron's scenes, as I'll use those videos as a template to do it my own way, with perfect video and sound quality. I'm getting tingly just thinking about it lol. |
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