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Post by TylerDurden389 on Mar 2, 2012 11:36:30 GMT -5
Good work on the coloring. Do you plan on giving him that "ghostly" look like in STM? Or is that only for "spirit" Jor-el as it appears in the DC?
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 2, 2012 16:12:53 GMT -5
Personally, I would have preferred that Thau kept the look of Jorel exactly the same as when he talks to his son in the present. (I respect the idea of using a crystal inside as was also in storyboards, but never grew warm to it, as it wasn't used for STM even though realized in SR)
Confusing for some I suppose if there wasn't a visual difference between the 'present' and 'past' recordings, maybe, but I think there was going to be enough clear at the end to figure it out without being TOO confusing.
Also- another reason I feel the visuals might have been the same at the time, (and this is just a guess)-- at the very least, Jorel's head wouldn't have been a ping-pong ball, otherwise Donner would have had Hackman looking left, right, up, and down while listening to Brando to match shots.
I think if (as originally suggested by the screenplay) the ONLY time you see a full body representation of Jor-el (unlike the Thau choices) is/was when he 'appears' to Clark for the final moments before he disappears for good.
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Post by Kamdan on Mar 3, 2012 10:37:53 GMT -5
I don't get why Jor-El's head is so monstrously huge. It wasn't like that in the first film's extended footage.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 3, 2012 12:48:57 GMT -5
Because great scientists have big heads. (Or so the theory goes) And since Jor-el is Krypton's greatest scientist....  |
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Post by Kamdan on Mar 3, 2012 21:40:03 GMT -5
"Yes, but so is Miss Vond-AH!"
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Post by verisimilitude on Mar 4, 2012 12:12:57 GMT -5
Whatever Booshman does, I know it will be done with care and professionalism. He's technically astute, and his heart is in the right place with the editing choices he's making.
I like how he's working with After Effects to improve upon Thau's work and give the movie a true epic COMPLETE feeling.
Way to go, Booshman!
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 4, 2012 12:24:32 GMT -5
;D I can imagine the actor who said that practicing every variation possible for that line reading in the mirror before coming to set that day. "YES, but so is Vond-Ah!" "Yes, but SO is Vond-Ah!" "Yes, but so is VOND-Ah!" etc. etc. etc.... |
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Post by TylerDurden389 on Mar 4, 2012 13:59:57 GMT -5
;D I can imagine the actor who said that practicing every variation possible for that line reading in the mirror before coming to set that day. "YES, but so is Vond-Ah!" "Yes, but SO is Vond-Ah!" "Yes, but so is VOND-Ah!" etc. etc. etc.... Lol it doesn't matter how he said. I never understood what he was saying until I put on the closed captioning lol. |
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Post by booshman on Apr 9, 2012 6:12:34 GMT -5
Here's an updated version of the "Home Movies" clip, with more complete effects. vimeo.com/40003570 |
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Post by matt on Apr 9, 2012 6:21:39 GMT -5
Great work!  |
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Post by booshman on Apr 9, 2012 6:35:58 GMT -5
Great work! Cheers |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Apr 9, 2012 9:27:26 GMT -5
That looks awesome! I prefer this choice to Selutron's choice--- because it feels more plausible that this would be recorded, versus the timing where Selutron's clip is--- it feels 'off' that Jorel would be recording the scene while having a private conversation with Lara with a prison sentence already being warned for him in STM.... this makes far more sense. (And is great use of the remaining Lester footage). Question though: Will you try to have Supes 'fly out' of the scene, rather than run out? I remember removing Reeve from the scene in the last few frames & blending it with a rotoscope of the bts footage of SIII in the junkyard and after a few tries, it seemed to work pretty well. (Though never tried anything in HD,sadly)  |
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Post by cypher85 on Apr 9, 2012 10:29:58 GMT -5
I usually don't get involved or even really care about all of the fan edits. But, for some reason the creation of the home movies scene was intriguing...so I gave it a watch. And surprisingly that was a fantastic clip. Way to go!
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Post by Jimbo on Apr 9, 2012 10:47:39 GMT -5
Really neat idea! I forgot about that footage of Brando - great resource. I take it then you are not going with the Lester version of the depowering?
Just two notes:
- Can you add Lois to the beginning? From that angle, it looks like she should be in the shot since she's in the wide shot.
- I think the music is too loud. I had that problem with my S4 cut. It was easy to have the music dominate the scene, but it should just be a background effect.
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Post by Rod on Apr 9, 2012 14:48:36 GMT -5
very cool! i agree with CAM. it is surprisely better than selutron's indeed. the scene is more natural. |
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Post by TylerDurden389 on Apr 9, 2012 19:17:49 GMT -5
GREAT work as usual Booshman. With each clip you post, you increase my belief that your fan cut of S2 will the BEST one. Better than anything Selutron could give us. So yes, I agree, your home movies videos is better than his. You really blended the footage into the crystal really well. Also agree that the music needs to be lowered, and like CAM, I think you should try getting Supes to fly out.
Would you be willing to try out the scene with alternate music though? I added music to that scene in my cut as well, but I used the music from STM when Supes almost reveals his identity to Lois after their first date. I timed it so that you hear the love theme as Lois talks, and the fade out into Supes flying off works perfectly.
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Post by booshman on Apr 10, 2012 0:49:31 GMT -5
Thanks for all the positive feedback everyone! Cam: I might have a go at having him fly out of the fortress, but I'll only use it if I can get it to look spot on. Jimbo: No, I'm not using the Lester depowering, but I might edit the way I did for my last edit and combine the 2 versions in a way that means there is no body double for Reeve. vimeo.com/38841599I was thinking about adding Lois in to the wide shot. If I can get suitable footage, I'll give it a go. Also, the music isn't final and needs the levels finalising. It's also in 5.1 in my project but gets exported out as stereo, so that's a factor to consider too. Tyler: If you can post a clip with your alternate music cue I'll give it a watch. I quite like it as is, but I'm open to suggestions. |
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Post by TylerDurden389 on Apr 10, 2012 8:13:25 GMT -5
You got it. vimeo.com/40084246The sound you hear at the beginning is the crystal viewer "going back in" (I used Sel's home movies in my cut). I like how the music here fades out early enough so that we can hear Lois' dialogue, as well as a moment of silence works better for musical score transitions, as opposed to just going right from one song to the next. A concept Thau couldn't understand, unfortunately. This Gives us a moment to catch a breath IMO. I had cut out some of Supes' stuttering and stammering, because I felt it didn't fit with the character (when I made this cut over a year ago). However, now I honestly don't care anymore if they're left in or not. BTW none of my videos on my channel are playing right now but I'm hoping you guys don't have the same problem. If so, let me know and I'll just post it on youtube instead. |
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Post by Jimbo on Apr 10, 2012 11:29:06 GMT -5
Jimbo: No, I'm not using the Lester depowering, but I might edit the way I did for my last edit and combine the 2 versions in a way that means there is no body double for Reeve. Combined the "street clothes" Donner scene with the Lester depowering, neat idea. Kinda odd seeing Clark in his street clothes, then to Superman suit, then back to street clothes, but it's a good compromise for combining the best of both scenes. Not a fan of the skeleton/muscles animation? ;D The only downside is Jor-El's glare to Lois. There's no Lester equivalent of her looking frightened or backing away like in the Donner cut. It looks like you're using the Donner version of that scene, because they went too far with the blue. I like the Lester version (especially the remaster) because, while it doesn't match the Donner fortress scenes, the colors are much more natural in the original. Cutting out Supes' comment about forgetting dinner, nice touch. ;D |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Apr 10, 2012 11:54:09 GMT -5
I thought it Booshman took a really interesting choice with that- it's definitely a smooth edit, but the visual implication to me (which I like) is that the Superman costume is something from Lois' pov, not necessarily something happening in reality (something I thought pretty ridiculous in the Lester cut... depowering AND it gives you a change of clothes? Did Jor-el think THAT far ahead? "If you decide to live like a mortal, you must dress like a mortal, my son. How's a white shirt and black pants?")
To this day, I'm still a bit stunned that they didn't shoot Kidder's footage at the time. They shot test footage with her in the shirt. Isn't that Kidder in some of the CapedWonder images of the crystals' explosion? Sure looks like her.
Very strange..... Again, if only Thau would talk in more detaill about why he did the things he did (like Shumacher's commentary on B&R, it might make me feel more sympathy for his choices)...
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Post by Jimbo on Apr 10, 2012 11:56:03 GMT -5
(something I thought pretty ridiculous in the Lester cut... depowering AND it gives you a change of clothes? Did Jor-el think THAT far ahead? "If you decide to live like a mortal, you must dress like a mortal, my son. How's a white shirt and black pants?") ;D Changed his hair too. Got rid of the grease, replaced it with a moptop. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Apr 10, 2012 12:18:31 GMT -5
;D "Scruffy. So morbid. Like a replica of a planet long perished." |
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Post by TylerDurden389 on Apr 10, 2012 13:46:57 GMT -5
Jimbo, that Lester scene wasn't in the Donner Cut. I tweaked the Lester FOS footage just slightly in order to match the other Donner FOS scenes, lol. I take that as a compliment though. It shows I did it well since I fooled ya lol. Anyway, I agree that Lester's white FOS is the way to go. At the time the standard dvd footage was all we had, and the DC footage was in better condition, so I had to compromise and make the Lester footage match.
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Post by Jimbo on Apr 10, 2012 15:13:23 GMT -5
It's been a while, I forgot. ;D
The theatrical Blu-ray should now be the benchmark for S2....both in terms of picture/audio quality and filmmaking quality. Now that the faded S2 DVD has been replaced, there's no reason anymore to favor the DC.
Someone needs to make a modification of the entire S2DC. The picture is shrunk about 1% along all four sides of the frame. There's a gap on the left and right sides, and along the top and bottom. When switching from one cut to another, it's pretty apparent. I thought it was just a fluke on the DVD, but the Blu-ray has it as well.
In order to match, the frame needs to be blown up by about 1% so that the image completely fills the left and right sides. That would also take care of the top and bottom (where it's the most apparent). Hopefully that wouldn't introduce any digital artifacting.
I think Verisimilitude resorted to cropping the theatrical cut so that both versions would have the same height, but it should be the other way around.
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Post by TylerDurden389 on Apr 10, 2012 16:01:54 GMT -5
The theatrical Blu-ray should now be the benchmark for S2....both in terms of picture/audio quality and filmmaking quality. Now that the faded S2 DVD has been replaced, there's no reason anymore to favor the DC. Someone needs to make a modification of the entire S2DC. The picture is shrunk about 1% along all four sides of the frame. There's a gap on the left and right sides, and along the top and bottom. When switching from one cut to another, it's pretty apparent. I thought it was just a fluke on the DVD, but the Blu-ray has it as well. In order to match, the frame needs to be blown up by about 1% so that the image completely fills the left and right sides. That would also take care of the top and bottom (where it's the most apparent). Hopefully that wouldn't introduce any digital artifacting. Agreed. Theatrical Blu-ray is the way to go. I also noticed the frame in the DC is off by that 1% as well. Normally I'd say "Thau strikes again" but I wonder if he had anything to do with the blu-ray release. |
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