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Post by Jimbo on Apr 10, 2012 19:09:56 GMT -5
I also noticed the frame in the DC is off by that 1% as well. Normally I'd say "Thau strikes again" but I wonder if he had anything to do with the blu-ray release. The answer to that would be yes. The master was created by Thau, which was then used for DVD and Blu-ray back in 2006. Some movies here and there have that happen. There are fairly large borders on the sides on the Shaun of the Dead Blu-ray, for example. |
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Post by booshman on Apr 11, 2012 4:42:25 GMT -5
Good work, the cue works well there. I reckon I'll be keeping it as is though.  For the framing issue, I'll be resizing the Donner Cut. In my last edit I cropped the theatrical cut, but I think Magic Bullet should be able to sort out the Donner Cut without any image quality issues. For the colour, I'm going to match TDC to Lesters as close as I can, but I'm also going to recolour the Lester footage a little too. Nothing major, but there are some issues that need addressing. There's a comprehensive comparison between all released versions in this thread: www.supermanii.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=3455 |
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Post by TylerDurden389 on Apr 11, 2012 9:50:56 GMT -5
Geez, this is a complicated matter. On the one hand, Thau's re-coloring for the DC gives Supes' costume it's proer blue while making the yellow in the emblem kind of green. On the other hand, the theatrical blu-ray keeps the color (and hue) correct (especially in the FOS scenes), but Supes' costume now has a greener tint. And here I was thinking that the costume Reeve wore was ALWAYS a greener-blue, to contrast the green/blue screen for those flying backdrop shots  Sad part is, the STM 2000 screenshot of Supes' flyby over Earth (in the SIV comparison shots) shows that it CAN be done right. Ugh, good luck with all that Booshman. Seriously, this is gonna be very tough to do. I hope the experience you got from re-coloring "Returns" has given you the proper "tools" to get this done. |
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Post by booshman on Apr 11, 2012 18:28:30 GMT -5
Color Finesse in AE can work wonders.
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Post by booshman on Apr 13, 2012 12:32:46 GMT -5
Here's the Home Movies again, but with Lois added in to t he wide shot. I'm sure the scales are off and the layout and backgrounds make no sense when compared between shots, but I can live with it. Up in 33 mins: vimeo.com/40308345 |
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Post by TylerDurden389 on Apr 13, 2012 13:12:54 GMT -5
Since I'm sure everyone will comment on how you put Lois into the shot, so I'll go ahead and say good job on the coloring and getting Supes' costume back to it's proper blue. Working on "Returns'" color definitely helped you here. Also, did you reverse the shot of Lois' head tilt reaction? I remember her always pointing her head up, but here she tilts down. I haven't actually watched the film in it's entirety in over a year, so my memory's rusty. If you did, it's a nice touch. Works better that way. Makes her not seem so weird-ed out by Supes' back-story (something I tried to fix myself in my cut back in the day, but never really got anything except adding in the music to change the overall tone of the scene).
Still not crazy about her "Oohh..." reaction, but what can ya do, lol.
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Post by booshman on Apr 13, 2012 22:05:35 GMT -5
Haha, I wondered who would be the firs to spot the reversed reaction shot. I think it works better too. Like you said though, shame about the other shots of her nodding.
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Post by TylerDurden389 on Apr 13, 2012 22:39:18 GMT -5
What's amazing is how it doesn't even look like it's been reversed. By that I mean, I can usually tell when a shot is reversed. Zod's head turn in the FOS at the end of the DC for example. That AE really works wonders.
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Post by booshman on Apr 16, 2012 10:10:30 GMT -5
I had a crack at colour correcting a bit of the home movies scene I posted earlier. The whole film is going to need adjusting scene by scene but I'm liking how things are going with this test. The top left is the blu ray. The bottom left is my initial CC. The right combination of the two. I think my initial CC went a bit too far into orange for the skin tones as well as the red on the suit, but the blue is better. Adding a bit of the original back in has brought the reds back in the suit and given a better skin tone, while maintaining the blues. The clip isn't up yet but should be shortly: vimeo.com/40457081 |
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Post by TylerDurden389 on Apr 16, 2012 10:48:16 GMT -5
Man, those differences are so subtle (on my tv anyway, lol). I'm confused though. The whole discussion about the blu-ray color is how Superman's costume is too green in the sequels. The top left is the original blu-ray, but his costume color looks fine to me. I take it when you say the color correction is gonna have to be scene for scene, that's because certain scenes suffer from the "teal' look, but others don't?
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Post by booshman on Apr 16, 2012 23:47:04 GMT -5
I agree that it is a subtle but noticeable difference. It's harder to make out though I think to to resizing the videos. You're right in that in some scenes it stands out a lot more than others. I'll take a screens so you can hopefully see a bit more clearly. edit: Here's a few screens.    |
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Post by TylerDurden389 on Apr 17, 2012 0:18:59 GMT -5
Ah I see it better now. The skin tones, b.g walls, and the yellow in the emblem changes as well. I agree, the screencaps on the right are the best ones.
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Post by Jimbo on Apr 17, 2012 17:40:59 GMT -5
Margot's hair, that awful blouse, her gaunt cheekbones....worst part of Superman II. Try fixing that. ;D
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Apr 17, 2012 19:22:42 GMT -5
I do think it's kind of amazing/crazy that between the time that SII came out and now, that we actually have computer technology that theoretically one COULD fix all that, if anyone really wanted to put in the time....  |
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Post by TylerDurden389 on Apr 18, 2012 9:15:52 GMT -5
SOme of the ideas from that editor that sent me all the pictures: The guy who came up with the idea of Jor-el fading into Supes, instead of fadaing away. Not sure if you've gone back to look at those files I sent you Boosh, but one of his ideas was to take the Donner Cut shot of Non when he's punched by Supes, and then "level" him as he's flying backwards, so that he DOESN'T crash into the spire. He suggested using the shot of Non "righting himself" in space after the phantom zone explodes, and roto the shot into the proper Metro b.g. Assuming you use the theatrical escape shots of them floating in space, you wouldn't have to worry about re-using the same shot.
Another idea he had was to use the RIC line 'KILL HIM!!" (instead of "Throw it!!") right before Non and Ursa throw the bus, so that way the pedestrians saying "They killed Superman!!" doesn't sound as silly.
Oh, and of course, the other idea/suggestion he had for the Metro battle is to replace as many miniature shots as possible with actual Reeve flying shots taken from S3 and S4 (well ok, maybe not THAT one S4 flying shot I know we're all thinking of. That one stands out a little too much in our minds I think ;D )
One idea I have though is using the S3 shot of Supes flying back and crashing into the mountain after he crashes into that super missile. Sure it's the same beat as Supes crashing into the building/Statue of Liberty, but hey, it's another action shot, right? Just need to roto them into the proper b.g. (The editor with the ideas suggested this for the Statue of Liberty crash, instead of the S2 shots)
One idea I had a while back was to save the shot of Zod kicking Supes and use THAT instead of the shot you made of him flying at Supes in the FOS, then Supes choking him. You could have Supes fly into the wall after Zod kicks him, and as he "falls" he passes out (you fade to black). You could use some theatrical Lois reaction shots here as well, before the fade, since the "teleport" scenes wouldn't be used in your cut anyway. (This is the same S3 shot where he hits the mountain, btw). When Supes wakes up a minute later (you would fade back in), THEN we can cut to Zod beginning his speech (you can use the appropriate Lester reaction shots of Supes just standing there when Zod gives his speech in the theatrical cut, then cut to Donner Cut as the theatrical does).
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Post by booshman on Apr 21, 2012 0:04:58 GMT -5
Here's a rotoscoped shot of Superman flying out of the fortress instead of just walking out of shot. There is some smoke and colour change that I haven't corrected (as Superman leaves the frame) at this point I want to get some feedback before investing more time on the shot. The clip will be ready for viewing shortly. vimeo.com/40761737 |
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Post by matt on Apr 21, 2012 0:25:32 GMT -5
Great job,  I like it a lot! |
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Post by HOSNI on Apr 21, 2012 2:59:16 GMT -5
Awesome!
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Post by dugpa on Apr 21, 2012 3:42:00 GMT -5
Love it. Excellent job!
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Post by atp on Apr 21, 2012 3:43:03 GMT -5
Can you show him killing the parrot on St Lucia and cooking it for Lois' dinner?
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Post by ye5man on Apr 21, 2012 8:42:00 GMT -5
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by TylerDurden389 on Apr 21, 2012 10:02:26 GMT -5
Anyone know where the flying shot is from? I think it's from behind the scenes footage of S3.
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Post by Rod on Apr 21, 2012 10:07:25 GMT -5
that is very good! |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Apr 21, 2012 10:40:25 GMT -5
Booshman, that's fantastic! The version I did keeps the first portion of Supes' running up the stairs, then 'blends' it to a quick flight out of the fortress, but this one is more graceful and feels more realistic by swapping it out. Curious... are you considering at all duplicating any of Selutron's idea to mix it up with "The Swarm" like he did? (I don't know where Selutron got the idea to mix it, but thought it interesting that some footage from STM I'd read was licensed footage from that movie, too, (some of the train stuff if I remember right) so it made good sense that it 'feels' like it belongs to STM/SII). Though.... if you're limiting it to HD footage, I do have doubts "The Swarm" will ever get that treatment....
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Post by booshman on Apr 21, 2012 11:16:35 GMT -5
Anyone know where the flying shot is from? I think it's from behind the scenes footage of S3. No, keep guessing, haha. Booshman, that's fantastic! The version I did keeps the first portion of Supes' running up the stairs, then 'blends' it to a quick flight out of the fortress, but this one is more graceful and feels more realistic by swapping it out. Curious... are you considering at all duplicating any of Selutron's idea to mix it up with "The Swarm" like he did? (I don't know where Selutron got the idea to mix it, but thought it interesting that some footage from STM I'd read was licensed footage from that movie, too, (some of the train stuff if I remember right) so it made good sense that it 'feels' like it belongs to STM/SII). Though.... if you're limiting it to HD footage, I do have doubts "The Swarm" will ever get that treatment.... I wanted to originally use the beginning of the shot as he jumps up to the next level, then have that shot transition into this one, so he takes off from the top step. It proved to be a bit more difficult than I would like though, as he takes off from the opposite foot, and the shots would need exact colour matching. I decided to just replace the shot altogether and try to match it up with the shot before as best I could. I moved his head to be facing down a bit more than the original shot, to match the continuity a bit better. It's not perfect, but for matching shots filmed 7 years apart (hint, hint Tyler), I think it works ok. Which footage is from the swarm? I heard Sel used some, but not being familiar with the film I wouldn't know. Is is the dust cloud that Supes inhales in his pre-credits sequence? |
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