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Post by Keith on Jul 23, 2012 23:53:10 GMT -5
I've been doing some editing of the villains release and I'd appreciate some feedback before I put anymore time into it. I've gotten pretty used to how I edited the scene for my last edit, so it's hard to be objective about how I've got it now, I'm not sure if it's working or not. I wanted to use the cue from the Lester version, as a result there are areas without sound effects. You'll also have to use your imagination with any shot featuring the lift instead of the XK-101 rocket. If I go this route, all of the lift shots will be fixed, crappy backgrounds, and the shit Donner Cut Phantom Zone effects replaced. It's very rough, but I just want to know if you think the score works with what is being seen. I'd also like to know how you think it compares to the version in my previous edit. New version: vimeo.com/46268093Older version (Skip to 08.15): vimeo.com/12226462I really like it. The music went well with it I thought. |
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Post by booshman on Jul 24, 2012 0:38:18 GMT -5
Cheers Keith. Any preference between the 2 versions?
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Post by matt on Jul 24, 2012 1:00:25 GMT -5
I like the second version!  |
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Post by booshman on Jul 24, 2012 1:02:57 GMT -5
I like the second version! The older version? |
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Post by matt on Jul 24, 2012 1:06:40 GMT -5
I like the Lester Cue version of releasing the villains.
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Post by booshman on Jul 24, 2012 1:19:30 GMT -5
I like the Lester Cue version of releasing the villains. Ah OK, nice one. |
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Post by Keith on Jul 24, 2012 10:30:37 GMT -5
Cheers Keith. Any preference between the 2 versions? The Lester Cue version works good as it is. Once you clean it up and swap out the elevator for the rocket and all that, I think it'll be spot on. I like how the the villains escape right when the explosion happens. It's not drawn out like in the others. |
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Post by TylerDurden389 on Jul 24, 2012 21:35:28 GMT -5
Already gave my thoughts on the fan-edit message board, but here it is for you guys:
- music cue works perfectly. Poetry in the sky (literally, lol). If Donner had finished Part 2 and hired Thorne to do the music (since Williams was busy at the time anyway), I think we'd all have been just as fine with that.
- I'd like to see Supes either stop both missiles (as Selutron did), or have him catch the silver missile instead (the one heading for San Andreas instead of New Jersey). this way, we see Supes do something different (and not simply rehash the same shots from the first film). However, we could always argue that since Supes is stopping the same missile at a different time, this is what causes them to be released.
- Would also love the KCOP shot of Supes floating to try and catch the missile put back in. This edit won't be done for a while, and capedwonder.com's remastering of the KCOP will be released in exactly 2 months. So there's time to get it done. Then again, I'd love to see ALL of KCOP flying shots added back in with new backgrounds if necessary.
- Again, like Selutron did, I'd like to see the missile crash DIRECTLY INTO the PZ. Seeing the engine burn out, and then somehow spinning like that is jarring and takes me out the movie.
- Would love to see the BTS making-of reaction shots of the villains seeing the PZ glass coming at them put back in (when the light flashes at them and the camera spins) . Since the shots would be inside the PZ glass, it wouldn't make the blu-ray footage look bad. Sorta like adding BTS footage or KCOP footage into the viewing crystal at the FOS. Think of the "Home Movies" idea Boosh presented earlier. Same thing.
And for anyone suggesting Boosh put Zod's 'FREEEE!!' line back in, remember, that was shot with the intention of them being released much further away from Earth's solar system, or galaxy. With the villains so close to the moon, it'd be weird of we didn't get a reaction shot of the astronauts hearing his voice, lol.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jul 24, 2012 23:44:05 GMT -5
I have a number of opinions on this- that I want to think more on.
Quick thoughts:
* Like portions of what you had originally... but personally, I'd cut closer to Supes hurling the rocket into space soon after the trial/travel to earth bits.
* Agree with Tyler- like the rocket flying into space, then exploding/smashing the zone open- vs.- the spinning aimlessly, then going off. Just seems to have more power & the extra beat doesn't really seem to convey a sense of suspense, either. It's just 'there'.
* In the script, there was the moment of closeups of all three villains with 'FREE!" being one of them. Damn Thau for overcutting. If there was a prime moment for seeing closeups of these villains after years of imprisonment, this was the time. Have a feeling Donner shot these, and Thau cut them. The Donner villains' footage is gold, I'd cling to every moment of them that's out there, imo.
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Post by TylerDurden389 on Jul 25, 2012 18:53:51 GMT -5
Another thing I thought of today. That theatrical shot of the villains after being freed, where all 3 of them are in frame. Ursa floats in font of us with Zod and Non in the background. Has anyone ever commented on how CHEAP that shot is? Seriously, they're just kinda floating there, shoved into the frame. the fact that they fly out of the PZ (which were lifeless puppets) doesn't help things either. Obviously they showed all 3 in one shot to save money on effects, and we the fans suffered for it.
For all it's flaws, at least the Donner stuff shows the villains scared, flailing around, then getting themselves situated. The scene has emotion and suspense.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jul 27, 2012 13:46:15 GMT -5
Agreed.... EVERY scene in STM is shot and edited to maximum effect, wringing every bit of emotion possible. (some would even say too much with Lois' 'singing' during the Lois/Supes' flying over Metropolis scene)... that's what I was hoping for with the RDC---
And, I know I've said this before-- but after all the trouble gotten to get every scrap of lost footage in the first place- you'd also think that Thau wouldn't have been so eager to keep trimming trimming trimming every scene--- though, if Donner kept saying that things should have been 'faster faster faster'--- it's at times hard to figure out who might have caused the worst damage to the cutting for SII....Thau or Donner-present?
Pity we'll never know and Donner and Thau probably will never talk about the footage or editing choices ever again for SII.... oh well...
Still holding out hope there's gonna be SOMETHING for SII new, if WB was silent about their RTK inclusion, they might be planning something we don't know about for a MOS dvd tie-in, too.... still a window open for that....
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Post by TylerDurden389 on Jul 27, 2012 14:56:36 GMT -5
Still holding out hope there's gonna be SOMETHING for SII new, if WB was silent about their RTK inclusion, they might be planning something we don't know about for a MOS dvd tie-in, too.... still a window open for that.... At this point that is the only shred of hope I left. I just hope that, maybe Selutron has something cooking. He re-released his work on youtube in better quality earlier this year. Maybe that was just a small sample of things to come. He did say in his letters that he IS on WB's radar, and that they had genuine interest in what he could do. They simple weren't interested "at this time". Well, that was a few years ago. There's a new window that's about to open. Maybe THIS will be the time. Honestly though, I think Boosh is gonna give us something that will give Selutron a run for his money. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jul 27, 2012 18:38:13 GMT -5
Absolutely. I just am hoping for 'REAL' extra footage/IRC--- but, when the MOS dvd comes out & there's nothing, I'll finally give up all hope... but, who knows? I gave up hope on the RDC forever, and it actually came out... So...  |
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Post by TylerDurden389 on Jul 27, 2012 18:46:13 GMT -5
I just am hoping for 'REAL' extra footage/IRC--- but, when the MOS dvd comes out & there's nothing, I'll finally give up all hope... but, who knows? I gave up hope on the RDC forever, and it actually came out... Don't get me wrong, I'd love for them to release all the footage we all know and love so much (in better quality of course), but market-wise I don't see any reason for WB to do so. Meh. Capedwonder.com is giving us the KCOP remastered (in full screen anyway), and * I think* they said they plan on doing the same for S2 RIC. I think they'd save A LOT of time by simply remastering ONLY the stuff that isn't in either versions, and the stuff that DID make it into the DC, but had different audio (alternate dialogue readings, music cues, etc..). |
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Post by booshman on Aug 26, 2012 10:35:55 GMT -5
Here's an updated cut list for the project and the progress so far. Green is done (editing and effects, still to be colour corrected)/ Red has been started/ Black is yet to be started/ Blue is possibly going to be cut
Old red WB logo.
Lester: Krypton approach. Red sun replaced.
Donner: Trial of the villains.
Lester: Credits. All main cast redone due to the addition of Brando. Scenes arranged chronologically. Last shot angry Superman flying towards the camera. Last credit: Directed by Richard Lester and Richard Donner.
Donner: Time reversal, XK-101 throw. (Fix XK-101 where needed).
Hybrid: Villains released. No crappy effects, no PZ split into 3. All footage from DC needs new backgrounds.
Donner: Daily Planet. (rescored with Lester cue).
Lester: Prison laundry.
Lester: Mission control.
Lester: Moon attack. Remove second bounce of cosmonaut Boris.
Lester: What's a curl?
Lester: Villains set off for Housten, followed by night shot to segue to prison yard.
Hybrid: Longer version of lights out (theatrical) but with no sound weird sound effects for the Lex/ Otis projection.
Donner: Lex escapes. Waving to Otis from the theatrical cut. Bickering between Lex and MT trimmed.
Lester: Arrival at Honeymoon Haven
Hybrid: Lex approaches the fortress (Lester). Stood outside the fortress (Donner). Lex enters the fortress (Lester). Trees (Lester). Jor-El talks about the villans (Donner/ head recoloured). Zod breaks red crystal displayed on crystal viewer (Lester/ new effect). Lex leaves fortress (Lester).
Lester: Superman saves stupid kid. (silly crowd dialogue removed). Cut at “hecko and goodbye”.
Hybrid: Villains land. No Non heat vision. Lester audio.
Lester: Pink bear. (remove reference to jumping in the river).
Lester: Villains meet the police. Zod takes gun at super speed. Remove “holy skunk sweat”. Trim Non being dumb at the end of the scene, as in deleted scene from Redux. vimeo.com/27581503
Lester: Lovers fly north.
Lester: East Housten. Non standing guard with comedy removed as in Redux). Cut at “These humans are beginning to bore me”.
Lester: Superman explains the origins of the fortress. Add home movies to beginning of the scene.
Lester: Superman gets dinner. Cut showing green crystal on the floor of the fortress.
Lester: News Beat reporter and battle with the army.
Lester: Superman has dinner. (cut orange juice line, cut “I'm going to change into something more comfortable”).
Hybrid: Continuation of the villains fight with the army.
Hybrid: Depowering. Lester Lois reaction shots. “I love her” and score during depowering from Lester version. Clark exits chamber & walk to bed by Lester.
Lester: “So, you are a General”.
Lester: Villains destroy Mt Rushmore as the president watches on TV.
Lester: Post shag snooze in the fortress.
Hybrid: Whitehouse attack. Lester approach. Bullet hits added to villains.
Lester: Villains talk to the president.
Hybrid: Dons Diner. Car drives through snow (Donner). Inside diner (Lester). “He knew” dialogue to replace “they knew”.
Hybrid: Lex arrives at the Whitehouse. “Jor-El, out jailor?” added to Lester version.
Hybrid: Clark travels to the fortress (Lester). Talks to Jor-El (Lester). Re-activates Jor-El (Donner). Repowered/ Flies from the fortress (New).
Hybrid: Perry wonders where Superman is (Donner).Villains arrive at the DP (Donner with Lester cue).
Hybrid: Superman arrives (Lester). Lois “Superman!” reaction shot from DC.
TBD: Metropolis battle with the villains. Redux based with some new elements added in. Campy humour removed.
Hybrid: Villains return to the Daily Planet (Donner). Ambient noise from Lester cut added in.
Lester: Villains fly to the fortress.
Hybrid: Villains enter the fortress and battle with Superman (Lester). Remove plastic \S/ and replace finger beams with heat vision (As in Redux). Improve editing from previous version.
Superman tricks Zod and launches him (Lester score/Donner shot of Non falling).
Donner: Arctic police deleted scene. Added music cue “March of the villains”. Removed “Smallville Strongboy” and “Blast off”. Edited as in Redux.
Donner: Lois and Superman talk. Destruction of the fortress removed.
Donner: Balcony farewell.
Donner: Pizza scene. Edited as in Redux.
Donner: Bully deleted scene. Walking into closet removed.
Lester: Clark gets revenge on Rocky.
Lester: Superman flies to the Whitehouse.
Lester: Superman flies around the Earth and smile to camera.
New: End Credits. In the style of STM/ Lester end credits. I'll try to update this as I go so you can see where things are up to. |
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Post by matt on Aug 26, 2012 12:12:05 GMT -5
Can't wait to see when finished |
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Post by TylerDurden389 on Aug 26, 2012 12:16:41 GMT -5
Thank you for writing this out for us Boosh. Very glad to hear about the updates forthcoming. Here's my thoughts:
- remove that sound that Thau added in when the PZ "captures" the villains. Use theatrical audio cue instead. Use STM shots of the villains inside the PZ and fade in the Thorne music so that it segue's perfectly into the shot of the green crystal. I don't like hearing the theatrical audio of Zod saying "You will bow down before me...". We heard him say it 30 seconds ago already. Plus it's more noticeable in the change of Stamp's voice, since first you hear his actual voice, then the Lester dub that's deeper in pitch. Also, STM audio of them flying away has all 3 of their voices, so it works better.
- I'd still really like to see Superman either go after the other missile instead, or go after both. But I'll go along with this and just say that since Superman throws the same missile a second time by going back in time, THIS is what caused the villains to be released. Or, they would've been released anyway had Superman not gone back, then he would've had to deal with them coming to Earth AND cope with Lois dying. Also, if the Restored KCOP ever does get released (they said it might possibly be released next summer), will you consider using some of the flying shots from it? ie: the shot of Superman floating there in an attempt to catch it? It would actually work better here in this context, since now he has time to try and stop it.
- I'd actually like to see the taxicab crash gag put back in (with Lois removed of course). However, I can understand that Lester didn't do this scene as good as Donner would've. Boosh, any chance of you trying to do either Sel's "Concorde" scene or "Superman returns to Metropolis" scenes? I know this project isn't going to be finished anytime soon, but I'd love to see if you could "one up" Selutron and give us something better (or just as good).
- For the DP jump scene, are you going to do the shot of Lois looking at Clark with his arms crossed and he turns into Superman? Also, are you going to make new shots of Supes whizzing through the staircases to get to the ground (as CAM and Sel did)? Also, consider using some of Margot's screams from the fall in STM (when Supes drops her). I HATE the stock screams Thau used. I recognized them the first time I saw the clip online (before the DC was released) and groaned. It's a very over-used stock scream that I've heard over a hundred times. It also sounds NOTHING like Kidder. I'd also like the shots leading up to her jump to be slightly re-worked (refer to my latest fan cut draft to see exactly how I did it. If the clip isn't online, I'll send it to you).
- Lester prison laundry - I always liked the bed wetter joke, but either way of ending the scene works depending on what you're going for. It's interesting to note how the campy stuff doesn't bother me under Donner's direction, compared to Lester lol.
- For the Lester version of the moon scene, will the color be re-worked so that's it's blue like in Donner's version? Either works for me but if you keep it as-is, make sure to remove the black curtains moving (if the blu-ray didn't do this already). I'd still like to see the hair dryer line put back in but again, either works. Just remember to remove the talk about "45 days and such". Assuming the PZ blows up close to the moon in your edit. Also, any chance of re-working the RIC line back in as they fly away? "Men...to KILL!!" God I wish the RIC would be released on blu-ray.
- Same goes regarding the RIC for the prison escape. I love the shrill scream that Otis belts out when Lex grabs him from around the corner. Hearing him not react, along with that loud "whoosh" sound that Thau added in, just doesn't do it for me.
- No Donner deleted scenes of Lex and MT arriving and leaving the FOS? Ugh, I guess since this is blu-ray we're stuck either putting low quality scenes in and having them standing out, or excising them completely. This is the lesser of the 2 evils.
- For the Niagara scene, are you still keeping in Lois cleaning his glasses? Considering your cut uses the Donner DP jump scene, this extra moment of her thinking he's Superman may not work here. Also, I don't care about orange juice, but I have a feeling others here are curious, lol. **Edit, I see you removed OJ line for the dinner scene, so I'd imagine you're cutting the OJ line here as well**.
- Any chance of throwing in extra flying shots as Supes flies in to catch the boy (as CAM did)? Also, if the crowd dialogue is removed, please make sure we hear SOME sort of reaction from them. I've seen fan cuts that simply add the music for the scene back in, but there's no other sound effects and the scene doesn't feel "complete" without water rushing noises, and some sort of reaction from the people.
- Gotta say, your "super speed Zod" shot/idea has grown on me. Nice touch reversing Zod's eye roll after Non tries to hand him the light. Just sucks that Lester never really made a "transition scene" from the villains and cops on the highway, to them at the town.
- For the Idaho diner scene, will the disco song be removed? I've seen other fan cuts that have done this and you've already shown us your skills with isolating dialogue (your edit of the "due north" balloon scene).
- For the scene with the army shooting them, will you consider adding in music to the scene? I've always felt like this scene is incomplete without music.
- I never had a problem with the "comfortable" line, but as long as everything before that is still intact (and not cut up/sped up like Thau did), then it still works ok.
- I'd like to see how you're going to use the Lois-Lester reaction shots, as well as how you're going to do the Donner Supes and Jorel stuff before the depowering. I re-ordered the conversation between Supes and Jor-el in my cut, and I still say my way works best. Thau really didn't know what he was doing here. The silence between the 2 of them during certain parts annoys me. Also, will Jor-el disappear the same way Lara did?
- For the president watching the villains break down a monument, I'd stick with the DC shot of them destroying the Washington monument, but re-work the color, add in the heat eye beams, and use the shot of the monument crashing to the ground from "Mars Attacks" (as CAM and I did).
- For the bullet ricochet shots during the White House attack, please make sure the effects are bigger, as I could barely notice them in your original edit. Refer to the effects during the "gauntlet" scene from STM for scale.
- If you're using Lester's take on the president scene, does that mean we're not getting Ursa's "Jewelry" line?
- I forget which fan cut did this (I think it was Jimbotron's) but his edit adds back in the entire score piece for the Lex at White House scene so that we hear that little cue of music that ends after Lex says "The son of Jor-el", but before Zod repeats him. It really adds a bit of spice to the moment.
- I know you don't like Reeves' performance in the Donner version of the speech, but please take a look at what I did in my version where I dub Donner Reeve with Lester Reeve, and removed a few lines that didn't really work, as well as lowering the pitch of his voice so that they match. Again, I'll send you the clip if you haven't seen it.
- I don't like Donner's version of Perry's speech. We don't need to hear Perry recap for us what we already know. Eh, I guess I'm just used to the football line. And of course, Lois saying "Yeah, better than anybody" adds more emotion to the scene.
- My only suggestion for your Metro Battle is the "Superman spins Zod at super speed" idea that i've been mentioning on this board for years now, lol.
- For the post-battle scene, since you've remembered to add in the ambient noise (as Lester did), you can always use the RIC dialogue over the DC shots if you preffered those line readings more.
- Glad to see this deleted scene added back in. To me this scene IS part of the story. Also, if you're removing the the "Blast off" line, how are you going to go from the officer pushing Lex in, to them starting up the engines? Are you gonna simply have Supes throw up his arm, then cut to the next shot? Anyway, I can't imagine what you're doing to improve the quality to get it as close to HD as possible. This deleted scene's quality looks the worst compared to the rest. Did Donner add too much fog on the set that day or did the film for that scene degrade more than the rest? lol
- For the goodbye scenes, any chance of dubbing the DC video with RIC dialogue? The different music cue for this scene changes the tone completely and makes it more light hearted. I have a much easier time believing that Lois will be ok in the RIC version, based on her different line readings (more positive) and the alternate music (happier tone).
- I prefer my take on the pizza scene, but you get the same idea across, so no real problem here.
- Any chance of trying to remaster the unused take of Supes smiling to the camera where he raises one arm and winks? It's only about 8 seconds long ::crosses fingers::
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Post by booshman on Aug 26, 2012 14:41:30 GMT -5
Thank you for writing this out for us Boosh. Very glad to hear about the updates forthcoming. Here's my thoughts: - remove that sound that Thau added in when the PZ "captures" the villains. Use theatrical audio cue instead. Use STM shots of the villains inside the PZ and fade in the Thorne music so that it segue's perfectly into the shot of the green crystal. I don't like hearing the theatrical audio of Zod saying "You will bow down before me...". We heard him say it 30 seconds ago already. Plus it's more noticeable in the change of Stamp's voice, since first you hear his actual voice, then the Lester dub that's deeper in pitch. Also, STM audio of them flying away has all 3 of their voices, so it works better. Going with the Lester version. Don't need to hear Ursa's "forgive me", when the theatrical audio is fine. Just going to chase the same rocket. Implied that the PZ release is due to the timing of the throw being different (he got there earlier). From this you could also infer that he had time to get to the other rocket, as seen on the DP headline. This opens a plot hole as to what Lois was talking about at the end of STM, since the gas station wouldn't have blown up, but it isn't fixable in a believable manner. I'll keep the RIC in mind, but with no set release date I'm not going to rely on it for footage. Lame taxi gag is lame! Not going to be doing recreations of either of these Selutron clips. I'm not making any attempts to one up him either. He's shown some really cool clips, and there are elements that I'll be implementing, as there are from other edits I've seen. No Yes The sound for this scene is fucking awful. I've never liked the scene enough to include it in my other cuts, and I realise now it was down to the sound. (Mainly, some of the effects are really shitty too). The sound will be completely redone, from when Lois jumps, to when she hits the fruit cart. Send away with the clips. Fogelstein is cut. The moon will be brown, the blue tint from TDC cut is going bye bye. Not noticed any curtains, I'll check again. Why does it matter about the chat about how long they've been in space? Doubtful on the RIC dialogue. Any RIC additions will depend on the quality of the audio available, and if it's possible t isolate the element wanted, since the audio is mono I don't really care for either of these scenes. They are edited badly, and are in terrible quality. Also, they info from these scenes can be gained using other footage. Scene starts with Lois taking a photo, like in my last edit, orange juice dialogue also removed. Check my last edit again. Original voices removed, cheering and rushing water added. Yeah, I figure they tire of the dumb cops and take off. The cops catch them up a few mins later with a flat. No isolation needed, the centre channel is clean! I'll be replacing the song like I did last time. (Seriously, how long sice you watched Redux? ;D) Which part exactly? I hate it, you can see Margot die a little inside as she says it. Then Supes nodding like a hungry dog since he knows he's on for one. I want to have a shot of Jor-El fading away, so I'll give it a go. I agree with you that the scene is clunky. Let me see your version if you have it handy. Currently mine is as in Redux, with "After all I've done for them. Will there ever come a time when I've served enough", removed. Too whiny. Been more inclined to go for Mt Rushmore of late. I was thinking of doing it so they sculpt it with their heat vision instead of one quick blast and it's magically transformed. They would aslso be at ground level and not flying past. I think they just need to be better than I did them before, and of course my reference is the gauntlet scene. No, Ursa's line is retarded. So she thinks that it is women who should wear the ribbons and jewellery? Didn't see much of any ribbons or jewellery on Krypton. I'll look into it. Yeah, send me a clip. I can't see it turning me on to this version over the Lester directed version though. I know what you mean, but I want a consistent look for Lois and Jimmy, so not Lester shots here. Haha, still don't like his idea. I know you've mentioned it for ages now, but I think it's unecessary. Again, depends on the audio, but I doubt it. Check the end of Redux! Hopefully Magic Bullet HD, and some frame by frame dirt removal will do the trick. Doubtful. The RIC version is longer, so it can't be done without chopping the RIC version, and with it the score, to bits. Why Thau took out the stuff about "my own little rainbow" is beyond me. Might not use it at all. I'd have to double check, but isn't this heavily cropped? |
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Post by TylerDurden389 on Aug 26, 2012 15:05:03 GMT -5
I've probably watched REDUX 3 times, about 6 months after you released it (once when you released it, again 3 months later, and again 6 months later). For the past year or so I've really tried to distance myself from S2 (really needed a break from working on it, or even just thinking about it all the time). However, I've probably watched bits and pieces of my latest draft once or twice since. Your idea of them change Mt. Rushmore slowly at ground level is basically how it was written in the script. Looking forward to see what you can do. I hope you keep the pizza scene in. I really hate to see Lois left in tears like that. As for the unused take, yeah, it's in full screen. Forget I suggested it, lol. This clip shows my take on the DP jump, the depowering convo, the music added for the villains in Idaho, and part of Clark's speech. I'm going to re-up that one to show you the whole thing. Disregard anything else in the video. vimeo.com/12934183And here's my stab at putting the RIC dialogue back in to the FOS goodbye. Ignore the ending where I basically skip the diner revenge scene. I was only testing to see if the music cue could work there as well. |
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Post by TylerDurden389 on Aug 26, 2012 22:00:04 GMT -5
Ok, lastly, here's my take on using Lester Reeve audio over Donner Reeve video. The timing is off a little though. The new opening shots were done by CAM a while back. If you feel like making Clark's trek to the fortress seem like it took a lot longer, something like this would make that work IMO. Wouldn't be difficult to get some stock footage of the arctic and rotoscope him walking through it. the reason you don't see him walking down the street with the truck passing by is because I split that scene into 2 (as the earlier video shows).
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 26, 2012 23:25:41 GMT -5
Great to hear that the project is moving forward Booshman! Some thoughts on your choices (if that's ok): Not Richard Donner and Richard Lester? Fixing XK-101 has got to be tricky... Oddly, I wasn't that opposed to it....until I found out it was a 'new' idea by Thau, rather than what was originally planned. Sad that it's not the worst offense we'd see by Thau... Strangely, I seem to be the only person who wasn't bugged by the second bounce. (More bugged by the empty control center, different tone than planned in the Mank script) Interesting choice to transition later to the depressed Lois, but not mentioning the water jump. Would seem to match far better than the RDC that goes from here to peppy Lois in the screen test... It's a neat idea, but for my own preference, the villains just never seem as menacing when using the super speed (or 'vanishing speed' in the Lester FOS battle ( )).... though I get that the scene is tough to work with, as is.... Can I say again how awesome that home movies sequence was that you put together? Wasn't the best scene in the theatrical, but it wasn't the worst imo. Actually was one of the nicer-shot scenes that Lester had, considering how ugly many of scenes were by Lester. I get what you're saying about the 'comfortable', but I think that the music and Reeve save the scene from feeling too weird. Forgot whose fan cut did this first, but after seeing it, was sold that this was the smartest transition to do, given what's available. Feels seamless. Are you referring to keeping the RDC tv moment or generating something new? Either the Lester one or the RDC has Lois blink her eyes open and look alarmed for a second...any thoughts of expanding this bit with the alternates? (Originally I thought they were identical)... in photos, there are stills showing Reeve looking a little alarmed with a sleeping Lois. Pity Thau didn't pull out more unused footage to get more mileage out of what was there.... I like the Lester sound effects better.... and-oddly, I think the extra 'wink' that Ursa gives the secret service man is an interesting beat, but doesn't come off as well as Lester's edit where she doesn't hesitate to kick the guy square in the face & wink-free.... I agree that the Lester beat with Lois saying 'better than anyone' lets the film have more emotion, but it's hard to get past that awful wig... Looking forward to your choices on this! Again, I'm the only one who doesn't mind "Smallville Strongboy"--- It may be a stretch, but I figure that Smallville is a known butt of jokes in that world, so that it's not a clue that Lex knows where Supes came from. (That's how I've always taken it, anyhow...) Really? Why? The bad eye beams? Anyhow.... thanks for sharing the list. The news of your work on this re-ignites my interest in SII again, and the possibilities.... |
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Post by matt on Aug 27, 2012 0:14:08 GMT -5
So your edit will have artic police arresting the villains?
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Post by booshman on Aug 27, 2012 1:27:10 GMT -5
So your edit will have artic police arresting the villains? Donner: Arctic police deleted scene. Added music cue “March of the villains”. Removed “Smallville Strongboy” and “Blast off”. Edited as in Redux.   |
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Post by booshman on Aug 27, 2012 2:05:14 GMT -5
Cheers for the clips Tyler, I'll keep them in mind when editing the scenes you mentioned! Great to hear that the project is moving forward Booshman! Some thoughts on your choices (if that's ok): Of course, your input is appreciated. Donner is first, like in the clip I've already posted, my bad. Yeah, but if I get rid of the spinning shots it should be easier. I don't hate it as a concept, but the effects are so crappy, as well as the sound, it's unuaseable. It's not terrible, but it's an easy fix. Now when she says "I must have looked like an idiot", she is talking about running after Supes, who flies off without acknowledging her. It's really the only option if I'm going to use the scene and not have new super powers. You can. The scene is a lot more intact than my last version. "But he is you, it's kinda confusing" is cut. Yeah, you need them walking off to bed, the score is great. Generating something new with the Lester cut footage. I'll see, but I want to keep the score as it is in the Lester version. The sound mix for the Donner version is awful. Agreed, she looks baaaad. Me too, I just have to get around to making them, it's gonna be tough. I think it's enough that Smallville is the butt of jokes in our world, the Donnerverse can live without it. The new effects are poor, but it's mainly because I don't see the need to destroy it. Jor-El is gone, fair enough, but why would all of the crystals containing the knowledge of Krypton be useless now? He'll never get to watch his home movies again. No worries, thought it might be handy since updates can be quite infrequent. Plus I don't want to post clips of everything as I do it. It takes extra time, and I'd rather people not see too much before it's released as a whole. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 27, 2012 11:18:09 GMT -5
I thought there was a twofold reason to keep it:
#1: It felt like an epic moment (with crappy effects, sadly) to have to leave the last traces of his past behind and burn up his past (although with the time-reversal, it could be argued, NOTHING he does even matters in the movie!), before he subsequently has to break it off permanently with Lois, as well.
#2: He would see the dangers of people being able to do what Luthor did, and free any other remaining PZ criminals from the zone by being able to get into the FOS, too.
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