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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 27, 2012 11:20:04 GMT -5
I probably saw this before, but in looking at the transition to the FOS... to Reeve running to the crystals & the overall tone- VERY nice, Tyler! You really got the 'running in' (that didn't work for me in the RDC) to work well here!  |
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Post by matt on Aug 27, 2012 13:38:20 GMT -5
So your edit will have artic police arresting the villains? Donner: Arctic police deleted scene. Added music cue “March of the villains”. Removed “Smallville Strongboy” and “Blast off”. Edited as in Redux.   Is it possible to upload the dvd version of this scene? |
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Aug 27, 2012 17:08:00 GMT -5
Ok, lastly, here's my take on using Lester Reeve audio over Donner Reeve video. The timing is off a little though. The new opening shots were done by CAM a while back. If you feel like making Clark's trek to the fortress seem like it took a lot longer, something like this would make that work IMO. Wouldn't be difficult to get some stock footage of the arctic and rotoscope him walking through it. the reason you don't see him walking down the street with the truck passing by is because I split that scene into 2 (as the earlier video shows). while my pro-donner bias has virtually no limit, one of the problems with donners version of the scenes is that clarks face is STILL bleeding. ;D he should have bled to death from face cuts by the time he walked to the north pole! |
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Aug 27, 2012 17:13:58 GMT -5
as an aside, i am a HUGE fan of the scene where clark bumps into the tall bald guy at the elevator, who points his finger and threatens clark- clark apologizes and then remembers rocky from the truck stop.
i LOVE that. its a PERFECT segue.
its so cool.
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Post by cypher85 on Aug 28, 2012 7:56:58 GMT -5
I actually find that scene incredibly corny and awkward.
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Aug 28, 2012 9:22:33 GMT -5
Clark kent is corny and awkward |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 28, 2012 10:55:42 GMT -5
It's a bit of a pity that in the Reeve films, we never got to see Reeve's Clark encounter Hackman's Luthor.
Reeve was hilarious in his supporting role in "Switching Channels" and it would have been fun to see Reeve's fumbling Clark (which is all an act anyways) play off against Hackman's egomaniac Lex, if only for a scene or two.
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Aug 28, 2012 12:01:45 GMT -5
IT would probably have played a little like all-star superman.
Except all star lex kind of liked clark whearas lex had contempt for everyone. He would have treated clark slightly better than otis
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 29, 2012 9:42:02 GMT -5
Agreed--- that's what I was thinking when I saw the animated All-star. Would have been awesome to have had Reeve and Hackman play a scene like that!
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Post by booshman on Aug 29, 2012 11:52:00 GMT -5
Donner: Arctic police deleted scene. Added music cue “March of the villains”. Removed “Smallville Strongboy” and “Blast off”. Edited as in Redux. Is it possible to upload the dvd version of this scene? Here you go Matt vimeo.com/48455542 |
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Post by matt on Aug 29, 2012 12:58:30 GMT -5
Thanks Booshman!  |
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Post by TylerDurden389 on Aug 29, 2012 19:01:47 GMT -5
Boosh, did you remove Lex tapping the officer on the shoulder after he says "Don't you love that?!". Also, I noticed that the frame rate in the scene was slowed down a bit. The voices sounded deeper. etc...
Would it be possible to keep Supes raising his arm and just cut before he says the line? To me the shot of them just staring there seems weird (is it a re-used shot)?
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Post by booshman on Aug 29, 2012 22:22:02 GMT -5
Boosh, did you remove Lex tapping the officer on the shoulder after he says "Don't you love that?!". Also, I noticed that the frame rate in the scene was slowed down a bit. The voices sounded deeper. etc... Would it be possible to keep Supes raising his arm and just cut before he says the line? To me the shot of them just staring there seems weird (is it a re-used shot)? I think the reason it's a bit slow is that I edited from Pal discs, then converted to NTSC, but the deleted scenes are at NTSC speed on the Pal discs and so were slowed down in the process. Didn't realise this at the time, but it's not an issue now I'm editing from the blurays. |
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Post by Knight on Aug 30, 2012 12:56:33 GMT -5
I kind of like Superman saying ''blast off!'' shows the he has a sense of humour, ''going down!'' kind of thing...
Also, When Jor-El touches Clark's shoulder ''my son.'' bit, when the picture flairs out all white, instead of him on the deck out for the count, how about that long shot from STM before his first flight or after Jor-El's teachings in the SE, were the camera pulls back to Superman standing alone (almost similar shot as before first flight).
Can anyone edit that and post a link? Just an idea I had??
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Post by TylerDurden389 on Aug 30, 2012 19:01:05 GMT -5
Also, When Jor-El touches Clark's shoulder ''my son.'' bit, when the picture flairs out all white, instead of him on the deck out for the count, how about that long shot from STM before his first flight or after Jor-El's teachings in the SE, were the camera pulls back to Superman standing alone (almost similar shot as before first flight). Can anyone edit that and post a link? Just an idea I had?? There's one fan edit of Superman 2 on fan-edit.org that did EXACTLY that. Can't remember which one though, as I've seen EVERY fan edit of S2, and there's a good 15 of them by now. TBH, I don't like seeing full clips being re-used. Re-use a flying shot or an establishing shot or 2 if necessary, but a moment like that in another movie is too significant to simply re-use the same idea before (see: The ending of the Richard Donner Cut). |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 30, 2012 19:52:06 GMT -5
I hear you on that.... but I guess with so few scraps really available (at least to fans.... I constantly groan when I think of how many takes Donner supposedly shot for every scene--- yet we can't see them!), the fans can only have so many solutions, even with 3-d and rotoscoping...
As far as the ending of the Donner cut.... what bothers me the most isn't that they re-used the time-reversal ending, but that it's so poorly executed. With STM, there was an emotional buildup to the whole thing (curious who exactly came up with the idea to blend moments that came before--- Donner? Baird?).... but the motivation seemed really lacking (not to mention the logic even more ridiculous than STM) from Superman's point of view. The ONLY clue I ever came across was from Pierre Spengler's commentary (of all things) that mentioned that he was supposed to turn back time, because much of the world was devastated from the villains' attack.... THAT made sense. But the idea doesn't really come across well in the RDC, I don't think....
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Post by TylerDurden389 on Aug 30, 2012 20:48:11 GMT -5
CAM, just another reason why I haven't watched the DC in it's entirety more than 3 or 4 times since its release. Selutron's first clip on youtube was posted that same month (November 2006, maybe 2 weeks after the release date), followed by "Superman 2: The Hybrid Cut" at fanedit.org a little bit after (early 2007). I haven't looked back since, literally.
Technically speaking, "the hybrid cut" is the least effort fan cut since it simply takes the clips as-is and puts them together (the transition from one scene to another is painful to listen to since the sound/music is always changing), but it sparked the light-bulb in my head and that was more than enough.
Also, ADIGITALMAN did the same thing with Superman 3 and 4 (combining them into one coherent story) around the same time, and it's one of my favorite fan cuts ever (and I have at least 25 different fan cuts of movies that I watch instead of the actual theatrical versions now). Someday when I buy a blu-ray player, a new computer that can handle HD video editing, and some REAL video editing software, I'm going to re-do his Superman 3 and 4 fancut almost exactly the way he did it, in HD. With a new ending from another faneditor:
THAT, my friends, is how you close out the perfect Reever/Donner Superman trilogy.
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Post by booshman on Aug 30, 2012 21:41:51 GMT -5
CAM, just another reason why I haven't watched the DC in it's entirety more than 3 or 4 times since its release. Selutron's first clip on youtube was posted that same month (November 2006, maybe 2 weeks after the release date), followed by "Superman 2: The Hybrid Cut" at fanedit.org a little bit after (early 2007). I haven't looked back since. Also "The Booshman Cut", and Litemakr's "Deja Vu Cut", were both released in January 2007. |
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Post by TylerDurden389 on Aug 30, 2012 23:18:21 GMT -5
Lol at least I have an idea now of which ones I saw first. I think after those 3 the next one I saw was OneKingProd's first version. I suppose I could always go over to fanedit.org and just look at the dates of their releases. I'm pretty sure I saw them all in the order they were made.
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Post by booshman on Aug 30, 2012 23:55:15 GMT -5
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Post by TylerDurden389 on Aug 31, 2012 18:48:34 GMT -5
As well as mine, CAM's, and Verisimilitude's. Also, even if it isn't a finished cut (available to the public anyway), I think there should still be some mention of Selutron. |
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Post by booshman on Aug 31, 2012 23:09:42 GMT -5
Also, even if it isn't a finished cut (available to the public anyway), I think there should still be some mention of Selutron. Heaven forbid we should let a day go by without mentioning Selutron. ;D I think having the database be only for completed projects that you might actually be able to find online or trade is the best way to go. You should submit your edit to get it on there. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Sept 1, 2012 0:23:23 GMT -5
I dunno.... just reading the list of details of how someone might change/fix edits I find very interesting, whether they complete it or not....on the other hand I could see that perhaps just being TOO open a door, and having ten million lists out there, that may or may not even be practical to do, so I guess in the end there should be some limits to that list...
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Post by booshman on Sept 1, 2012 0:40:06 GMT -5
I dunno.... just reading the list of details of how someone might change/fix edits I find very interesting, whether they complete it or not....on the other hand I could see that perhaps just being TOO open a door, and having ten million lists out there, that may or may not even be practical to do, so I guess in the end there should be some limits to that list... I think the forum is the best place for "ideas" and projects that are "in the works" As many projects never see the light of day, or people have ideas that in practice aren't possible or don't work. Having said that though, a separate section on the site for people who release shorter clips that are meant to be self contained or aren't leading to a full feature release could be a good idea. The Superman Doomsday mash-ups and the CGI Reeve vs Hulk clips on youtube come to mind. |
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Post by TylerDurden389 on Sept 1, 2012 8:01:08 GMT -5
Don't worry Boosh, with the potential you've shown me, I'm certain once your cut is completed, people (myself included) are gonna be saying "Selutron who?" Unlike him, at least your cut will see the light of day *someday* lol. I hope you release some clips on youtube for the world to see. Why let Sel hog all the spotlight when your skills are just as good as his? The more people who know about what you do, the more WB will pay attention.
But on a serious note though Boosh, I think it would be awesome if, after you've completed your cut, you send an email to WB with a video preview of a lot of the edits you've done that showcases primarily the completely or almost completely new scenes/ideas.
I'd actually like it if we could get EVERY Superman 2 fan editor to not only write to WB, but also show clips of their cuts as well. Like little video resume's. Maybe if WB sees that we know how to improve the film, they'll consider doing something under a reasonable budget, regardless of how MOS does next year. Way I see it, if they're impressed enough with what we've done, maybe they'll just take a vote and officially release the one that gets the most praise. Or do a mix of taking the best elements of every cut and release that. Way I see it, they won't be concerned with spending their money (at least for the actual work part, press release, making copies and shipping them to the stores is another story, lol) and might be more inclined to release it since they won't have to spend as much money.
The one thing I definitely agree with Selutron (besides the work he's done) is that that I truly believe this film NEEDS to be officially released one more time. Creating these fan cuts is great for this small circle of people who know about them, but in the end, 100 years from now, the 2 versions that are being sold in stores will still be the only ones commercially available, and people who watch them are still gonna be torn between which version is better just like people are right now.
This film NEEDS closure. However, if WB was to go through with this, it'd be in their best interest to stop selling The Donner Cut (since it's basically a failed fan cut anyway, and was NOT what the fans wanted). Possibly even stop selling the theatrical version as well. Because obviously if there's 3 versions available in stores, it will only alienate consumers further because they won't know which one is best, and will probably think 3 versions are sold in order to make more money, which will also turn off customers.
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