|
|
Post by crazy_asian_man on Oct 26, 2012 1:59:20 GMT -5
Well... Donner mentioned that he was never shown/told the budget in the bts stuff, despite his constant asking about it.... thus, part of the rift that happened between him and the producers.. As far as Lester's cheapness, you have a point- I actually don't fault him so much on the cheapness, (I actually could even forgive the change from Brando to York, to a degree) far moreso his script changes that turned the Criminals and the Metro battle into cheap comedic schtick.  |
|
|
|
Post by supes81 on Oct 28, 2012 2:29:03 GMT -5
So is it true Lester wanted Donner and Mank to help with SII. If true I wish Donner had worked on the movie in whatever capacity he could or given Mank his blessing to do so, I think SII would have turned out very differently.
Even if only Mank had gone back for re-writes and stuff, I think Lester was pretty open to doing it their way if he had the help, and Donner could have given Mank ideas on how he would do certain things, and Mank could have taken that to Lester. At least SII would have been closer to the original vision.
It always seemed sad that Donner loved Superman, but not enough to let go of his pride and make sure the second movie turned out ok. I get it, he was pretty hurt and wounded, but it was, I think, a big part of what ruined part II.
|
|
|
|
Post by crazy_asian_man on Oct 28, 2012 10:27:34 GMT -5
I don't think Lester ever really wanted to continue it in Donner's style.... if so, he would have tried to retain the editor as well, or not gone 180 degrees in the 'additional' bits that had nothing to do with the story (there's some, but the extended versions show it's even worse with added camp). Donner's strength and weakness (from what's gleaned in the biography) is that he takes things personally, it seems. If Lester had actually tried to talk to Donner in person (or even gave him a call instead of his assistant), I think that's a possibility that there would have been a collaboration, but I highly doubt it. Lester's ego was too big at that point. But- in looking at how the tone was so undermined, (the Mank script was right in front of him that looks like it could have been scaled down, but without the slapstick which didn't fit), it looks like Lester just wanted to make his career comeback off of Donner's gold footage. Nobody seems to rave about Superman III which is 100% Lester, after all.... If another director besides one with Lester's sensibiiities took over SII, (perhaps a second unit director), then (as Jimbo rightly put it) SII might not be the Frankenstein monster it is. A great film was transformed into one with mediocre parts, and a directors' cut is one with missing incomplete parts. Thanks a lot, Lester. 
|
|
|
|
Post by booshman on Dec 3, 2012 3:43:25 GMT -5
|
|
matt
New Member
Posts: 2,537
|
Post by matt on Dec 3, 2012 19:22:25 GMT -5
Great videos! can't wait until your edit is finished  |
|
|
|
Post by TylerDurden389 on Dec 3, 2012 20:43:23 GMT -5
Link isn't working for me |
|
matt
New Member
Posts: 2,537
|
Post by matt on Dec 3, 2012 23:16:07 GMT -5
I just cut and paste link then it worked for me.
|
|
|
|
Post by crazy_asian_man on Dec 4, 2012 0:38:07 GMT -5
Cool!!! More, please.  |
|
|
|
Post by booshman on Dec 7, 2012 5:31:13 GMT -5
|
|
|
|
Post by crazy_asian_man on Feb 12, 2013 21:29:59 GMT -5
Uh..... any movement on this? Looking forward to more, sir!  |
|
|
|
Post by booshman on Feb 18, 2013 12:08:43 GMT -5
Uh..... any movement on this? Looking forward to more, sir! No major progress has been made unfortunately. Still in the works, but I haven't had a lot of time to commit to it. I'm back in England for a few months, lots to do, but I do have all my files with me so it's not completely on hold. |
|
|
|
Post by pseudolus01 on Jun 20, 2013 10:08:54 GMT -5
Uh..... any movement on this? Looking forward to more, sir! No major progress has been made unfortunately. Still in the works, but I haven't had a lot of time to commit to it. I'm back in England for a few months, lots to do, but I do have all my files with me so it's not completely on hold. If I am ever able to see it to begin with I will be very happy. I try daily to obtain it but all of the various ways seem to either stall or lead to a dead end. The irony is that it is the one fan edit that got me interested in seeing fan edits...but the only one that I have been unable to get. The best I can do is about 30%. Sad |
|
Rod
New Member
Believe it or not
Posts: 498 
|
Post by Rod on Oct 4, 2013 15:53:58 GMT -5
where can i download the regular version of this cut?
|
|
|
|
Post by booshman on Oct 6, 2013 5:17:30 GMT -5
All of my edits are now on usenet, no need to worry about seeds or dead links.
|
|
|
|
Post by booshman on Nov 20, 2014 8:52:59 GMT -5
Been a while, but here is a new clip from my edit.
|
|
|
|
Post by booshman on Nov 28, 2014 0:52:57 GMT -5
And another vid.
|
|
|
|
Post by crazy_asian_man on Nov 29, 2014 2:58:28 GMT -5
Wow! Really amazing stuff Booshman.... I did try something similar, but looked terrible. Great work in seeing the restoration. How do you plan to resolve the change in music on the balcony when the new Donner inserted bit with Lois 'up, up and away' (I think) ?
|
|
|
|
Post by booshman on Nov 29, 2014 8:08:26 GMT -5
Wow! Really amazing stuff Booshman.... I did try something similar, but looked terrible. Great work in seeing the restoration. How do you plan to resolve the change in music on the balcony when the new Donner inserted bit with Lois 'up, up and away' (I think) ? No "Up, up and away" in my new edit. Just gonna have it like you see in the video above. |
|
atp
New Member
Resident Troll
Posts: 6,823
|
Post by atp on Nov 29, 2014 13:50:00 GMT -5
Wow! Really amazing stuff Booshman.... I did try something similar, but looked terrible. Great work in seeing the restoration. How do you plan to resolve the change in music on the balcony when the new Donner inserted bit with Lois 'up, up and away' (I think) ? No "Up, up and away" in my new edit. Just gonna have it like you see in the video above. Will you have the memory kiss at the Daily Planet the following morning? |
|
|
|
Post by crazy_asian_man on Nov 29, 2014 20:51:33 GMT -5
Wow! Really amazing stuff Booshman.... I did try something similar, but looked terrible. Great work in seeing the restoration. How do you plan to resolve the change in music on the balcony when the new Donner inserted bit with Lois 'up, up and away' (I think) ? No "Up, up and away" in my new edit. Just gonna have it like you see in the video above. It's probably best..... I can't help but feel that a lot of the stuff in the international was already cut by Stuart Baird in the first place- (although Thau claimed he left those alone, but I dunno)--- if it wasn't, the Donner stuff still felt like it was cut WAY better in the theatrical than the Thau cut. With studios seeming to do extended cuts/etc. less and less now- maybe we're just lucky to have gotten anything while we did- I hoped we might have gotten more material with Man of Steel being a modest hit, but oh well... I assume the Selutron cut will NEVER come out (why doesn't he just release it on youtube at this point).... In any case- are you planning to replicate anything Selutron did? He did have some really good ideas & 'The Swarm' is available on dvd (though not blu ray yet- though "Airport" is)... |
|
|
|
Post by booshman on Nov 29, 2014 22:35:01 GMT -5
Will you have the memory kiss at the Daily Planet the following morning? No. It's probably best..... I can't help but feel that a lot of the stuff in the international was already cut by Stuart Baird in the first place- (although Thau claimed he left those alone, but I dunno)--- if it wasn't, the Donner stuff still felt like it was cut WAY better in the theatrical than the Thau cut. With studios seeming to do extended cuts/etc. less and less now- maybe we're just lucky to have gotten anything while we did- I hoped we might have gotten more material with Man of Steel being a modest hit, but oh well... I assume the Selutron cut will NEVER come out (why doesn't he just release it on youtube at this point).... In any case- are you planning to replicate anything Selutron did? He did have some really good ideas & 'The Swarm' is available on dvd (though not blu ray yet- though "Airport" is)... No plans to do the major recap overhaul that Sel did. I've got my ow version the "home movies" scene, which I prefer over the style he went for. Feel free to post any suggestions that you might have for new shots. I've got copies of the three DVD's you made a few years ago. |
|
|
|
Post by crazy_asian_man on Nov 30, 2014 22:03:12 GMT -5
I don't suppose you'd want to upload those clips in HD, would ye? The Selutron recap in the beginning I agree is just WAYYYYY too long and is well meaning, but isn't a very elegant solution to the time reversal element plopped into STM. The main things that I think I wanted to see in Thau's cut were: 1. Restoration at least as good as the international cut of the extra Donner scenes (Lois & Clark balcony/ after/ approaching the FOS) 2. Solution to the too-jokey Phantom Zone Criminal scenes.... Selutron chose the White House/ Swarm comp bits- Thau just hacked it to pieces (which was more distracting than the theatrical)- Maybe there's a subtle third option? I know you had Zod run by at superspeed, but is there a way to do the superspeed like the beginning of SII? 3. Fix up of the Metro battle with both the jokes and the cheap look of the shots of the people on the ground. (Lit too much/ staged too much like it was on a huge set). There's a good number of CGI Reeve Supermans on the net- don't know if that might be a good alternate source if there's not enough footage to use.... Anyhow, just thinking off the top. Nice to read/hear that you're working on a new version.... |
|
|
|
Post by booshman on Dec 1, 2014 5:35:06 GMT -5
I don't suppose you'd want to upload those clips in HD, would ye? The Selutron recap in the beginning I agree is just WAYYYYY too long and is well meaning, but isn't a very elegant solution to the time reversal element plopped into STM. The main things that I think I wanted to see in Thau's cut were: 1. Restoration at least as good as the international cut of the extra Donner scenes (Lois & Clark balcony/ after/ approaching the FOS) 2. Solution to the too-jokey Phantom Zone Criminal scenes.... Selutron chose the White House/ Swarm comp bits- Thau just hacked it to pieces (which was more distracting than the theatrical)- Maybe there's a subtle third option? I know you had Zod run by at superspeed, but is there a way to do the superspeed like the beginning of SII? 3. Fix up of the Metro battle with both the jokes and the cheap look of the shots of the people on the ground. (Lit too much/ staged too much like it was on a huge set). There's a good number of CGI Reeve Supermans on the net- don't know if that might be a good alternate source if there's not enough footage to use.... Anyhow, just thinking off the top. Nice to read/hear that you're working on a new version.... The clip is also on vimeo and can be downloaded from there: vimeo.com/112925923It's 720P, if yoy want it higher res or better bitrate let me know and I can sort it out for you. I'm gonna try the superspeed thing again, but have it look better this time. More in the style of the other super speed we have seen, or the alley way transformation. |
|
|
|
Post by crazy_asian_man on Dec 1, 2014 6:02:24 GMT -5
I don't suppose you'd want to upload those clips in HD, would ye? The Selutron recap in the beginning I agree is just WAYYYYY too long and is well meaning, but isn't a very elegant solution to the time reversal element plopped into STM. The main things that I think I wanted to see in Thau's cut were: 1. Restoration at least as good as the international cut of the extra Donner scenes (Lois & Clark balcony/ after/ approaching the FOS) 2. Solution to the too-jokey Phantom Zone Criminal scenes.... Selutron chose the White House/ Swarm comp bits- Thau just hacked it to pieces (which was more distracting than the theatrical)- Maybe there's a subtle third option? I know you had Zod run by at superspeed, but is there a way to do the superspeed like the beginning of SII? 3. Fix up of the Metro battle with both the jokes and the cheap look of the shots of the people on the ground. (Lit too much/ staged too much like it was on a huge set). There's a good number of CGI Reeve Supermans on the net- don't know if that might be a good alternate source if there's not enough footage to use.... Anyhow, just thinking off the top. Nice to read/hear that you're working on a new version.... The clip is also on vimeo and can be downloaded from there: vimeo.com/112925923It's 720P, if yoy want it higher res or better bitrate let me know and I can sort it out for you. I'm gonna try the superspeed thing again, but have it look better this time. More in the style of the other super speed we have seen, or the alley way transformation. Hi Booshman, Thanks. Will be in touch. The alleyway transformation I envision is how Donner would have done superspeed- but in experiments, I've found it tricky trying to replicate that with the footage available. I was very much looking forward to seeing that with Clark running through the Daily Planet room/ down the stairs as (at the time) it would have been a 'first time ever' we would have seen that effect--- something Donner made more a meal out of, rather than a quick blur. Selutron's take on it wasn't bad, (it was definitely better than the Thau blur)- but I don't think he quite got it perfect. By the way.... saw your 'home movies'.... it's been awhile, so I don't know if I've commented on it, but it looks FANTASTIC! I think it feels much more natural than Selutron's. Selutron I thought had an interesting take, but the crystal looks too artificially generated. your idea of using pre-existing theatrical elements looks and feels much more natural. Did you change the 'fly away' from the FOS to the 'flowers' bit? In looking at your other clips on youtube, I missed seeing the outside take of Supes flying away from the FOS from outside the FOS (as opposed to the theatrical of hanging on a shot of the forest for 10-20 seconds before panning.).... |
|
|
|
Post by booshman on Dec 1, 2014 9:32:04 GMT -5
By the way.... saw your 'home movies'.... it's been awhile, so I don't know if I've commented on it, but it looks FANTASTIC! I think it feels much more natural than Selutron's. Selutron I thought had an interesting take, but the crystal looks too artificially generated. your idea of using pre-existing theatrical elements looks and feels much more natural. Did you change the 'fly away' from the FOS to the 'flowers' bit? In looking at your other clips on youtube, I missed seeing the outside take of Supes flying away from the FOS from outside the FOS (as opposed to the theatrical of hanging on a shot of the forest for 10-20 seconds before panning.).... Glad you like the home movies clip. I definitely wanted to try and steer clear of them just watching clips from the previous movie. I think the behind the scenes footage really works, and looks like genuine home movies. I'm not sure what you mean about the flying for flowers clip. The clip on Youtube ends before the shot can pan, but I didn't alter anyhting other than Superman flying offscreen in the fortress instead of walking. |
|
