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Post by Rod on Jan 3, 2012 13:02:23 GMT -5
agree cam, those shots of Brando are much better. however i think that the scene where miss techmaker and lex and otis appears fits perfectly with the change of music and gives that warm feeling of a superman movie.  it is great to have the crystal being activated but i miss clark throwing the green crystal. overall, it is very very good editing, love it! |
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Post by TylerDurden389 on Jan 3, 2012 13:28:33 GMT -5
I also agree that the revisions work much better. Much better Brando shots, as well as him having an early credit. Were Mank and Puzo put in by you as well? It's been a long time since I've watched the theatrical credits, and I don't remember if they were originally in there or not lol. Oh, and I have no problems with the Supes, Lex and co. just standing around. The music is quiet during that part, and it fits there perfectly. It's a nice "calm before the storm" before the horns kick back in and we see the mushroom cloud and Supes is off again to do his thing. Why do you think Lester and his editors put those shots there in theatrical? Because the scenes fit the tone of the music. Perfect synchronization of audio and visual. That's movie magic my friends.
The ONLY nitpick I have is the last part. There's a *slight* bit of space between the end of the credits music, and when the build up of the last note begins (as we approach Earth). Boosh, when making the transition from the last credit (Donner and Lester's credit), to the zoom in on Earth, start that shot of the zoom in about a half second, maybe a full second sooner. The music stays in time better that way. I didn't wanna mention it earlier, but since you've made more revisions thus far, I figured I better mention it now.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jan 3, 2012 16:59:50 GMT -5
I think it stands out to me because EVERYTHING is so static in those shots, (including the camera) versus the motion that happens prior and after it. Visually, even having Luthor & company view Superman on the monitor from a distance I thought changed things up a bit- but, again, it's ultimately preference.
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Post by Kamdan on Jan 3, 2012 21:19:02 GMT -5
Good deal retaining the original order of Brando and Hackman at the beginning! I questioned Beatty's credit, but then remembered he's only in it for a bit.
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Post by booshman on Jan 3, 2012 22:22:31 GMT -5
Cheers for the feedback guys. Cam, I won't be using any of the extra footage from Superman Thau Movie.  I was watching STM with my girlriend yesterday and she pointed out something I had never noticed before. anyone else notice that when Lara brings out the baby, little Kal puts his hand in his mouth and then wipes it on her face. Also something I noticed a bit ago and mentioned on the other Sperman forum, but never really got a response confirming it. When Lois is in her car and the guy on the radio says that the San Andreas fault has miraculously healed itself, I'm sure the voice is Donner, any thoughts? |
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Post by TylerDurden389 on Jan 3, 2012 23:18:14 GMT -5
Cam, I won't be using any of the extra footage from Superman Thau Movie. I see what ya did there. Nice one lol. |
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Post by Conor on Jan 4, 2012 4:48:24 GMT -5
At 4:30 I love it in the theatrical version where Supes does the flying turn. The music really fits the speed of his movement. Love this though great work. |
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Post by TylerDurden389 on Jan 6, 2012 0:18:42 GMT -5
Hey guys, things have slowed down a bit here, so here's a little something I cooked up about 2 years ago. It's a shorter take on Selutron's "post time-travel" sequence. I essentially removed Lois and Jimmy, thereby keeping all focus in what Supes is doing. I also removed Lois' banter at the end. After the villains head for the moon, we cut to Perry reading the front page, "Lex Luthor scheme bombs...etc". Of course, since Supes stops the dam from breaking, this shot would have to be removed. Boosh has told me he wouldn't want to re-do Sel's scene exactly as he did it. So I showed him my shorter take on it. Personally, I think the scene is the best out of all the stuff Sel did, but I can understand how long and hard it would be to recreate it, especially in HD. At the very least, I feel we should see: 1. Supes stopping BOTH missiles 2. Hear Jor-el's warning about interfering with history I remember a while back someone posted a video on youtube where they made it look like Supes' messing with time causes "waves" to reach out into space, and thus cracks the phantom zone, freeing the villains. Of course, these "waves" were from the Paris elevator/hydrogen bomb explosion. All it would take would be to edit those shots slightly, with Jor-el's warning looping over itself. A minimalist idea, sure, but it gets the job done. I only fear that the idea might be a little too "on the nose", ya know? Anyway, here's the clip. Remember, I made this 2 years ago, so the editing quality is definitely not up to what I am capable of now. So please be gentle lol. vimeo.com/34586892 |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jan 6, 2012 3:21:02 GMT -5
Interesting..... well put assembly- but the main thing that it brings up (for me) is just how convoluted changing time CLEARLY in movies can be. Even knowing the movies inside and out, it's not clear to me what exactly Supes did after he reversed time--- so, he had enough time to then catch two rockets before they exploded- but then, did he just throw both of them out into space? (Maybe the power of TWO rockets should have been shown to be enough to blow up the Phantom Zone--- thus, the unintended consequences of changing history?) In a way--- and I think I've said it before--- going back and explaining what Supes did in more detail at the end of STM for SII maybe closes some holes in the story--- but maybe opens up way more questions about logistics at the same time in the time reversal thing.  |
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Post by TylerDurden389 on Jan 6, 2012 3:33:29 GMT -5
Even knowing the movies inside and out, it's not clear to me what exactly Supes did after he reversed time--- so, he had enough time to then catch two rockets before they exploded- but then, did he just throw both of them out into space? Lol, dude, you've seen Sel's video a million times. The first missile blows up in the sky. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jan 6, 2012 14:42:03 GMT -5
With all the versions I've seen a gazillion times, it's a bit of a blur now.  In any case- it's always going to be a bit of a mystery how/why Donner/Baird would have addressed the time reversal of the first one in a smooth manner.... I still think it's not impossible (since the Mank script glossed over the car at the FOS -and- specifically omitted how they got to the FOS in the first place)- that they might have intentionally glossed over the time reversal used for STM and just shown the rocket blowing up the zone, and just 'forget about' the time flip thing--- It's such a bad choice to have time reversal as a plot device in any case (if he could reverse time, then why not save Jonathan Kent and bring him to a hospital before he has a heart attack? Why not reverse time and stop the destruction of Krypton of get more survivors? Even in the comics when this was done- ultimately he was shown NOT to be able to reverse time) that I could see Donner & the producers NOT wanting to re-visit the complications suggested by that story device and carry it over into SII (with them assuming that people who've never seen the first one might also check it out). As fans of the first one & second, though..... I can see why it'd be appealing to smooth in continuity and bridge what happened at the end of STM & put in the beginning of SII--- in any form (I particularly liked your idea of a discussion between Supes/Jorel talking about the consequences at least- seemed the shortest and most succinct way of it, though, of course, the down side being a lack of Brando dialogue to flesh that scene out.) Selutron's & your shortened version of it is also cool.....but it does feel a bit top heavy- more because of the plot device than anything else for the beginning of the second film. |
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Post by booshman on Jan 7, 2012 14:35:51 GMT -5
Here's the credits one last time. Brando/ Hackman/ Reeve, then the rest alphabetically. vimeo.com/34709314 |
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Post by matt on Jan 7, 2012 14:52:04 GMT -5
Nice job! Is it possible to have Reeve's credit alone behind Hackman's . Like top three credits?
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Post by Kamdan on Jan 7, 2012 15:07:41 GMT -5
Here's the credits one last time. Brando/ Hackman/ Reeve, then the rest alphabetically. vimeo.com/34709314PERFECT! I can't to see what's next. |
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Post by TylerDurden389 on Jan 7, 2012 15:21:46 GMT -5
Awesome work dude!! Glad to hear you fixed that last part with the music as we approach Earth.
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Post by Jack Tripper on Jan 9, 2012 18:59:15 GMT -5
Here's the credits one last time. Brando/ Hackman/ Reeve, then the rest alphabetically. vimeo.com/34709314Looks great so far. Nice work. |
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Post by booshman on Jan 12, 2012 14:32:05 GMT -5
Been tinkering with the prison escape. I hate the end with lame bickering between Lex and Teschmacher. It's very tricky combining both versions due to the sound having different score and sound effects all over the dialogue. this clip should give an idea of how I'd like the scene to play out if possible. vimeo.com/34960865 |
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Post by Jimbo on Jan 12, 2012 15:01:07 GMT -5
Hey boosh, great job with the credits. Though the trails for the Lester/Donner credit seem to jump at the end.
For the rough cut of the prison escape, why is there a cut back to the Lester cut at 00:29 through 00:33? I haven't seen this in a while, so I forget the difference.
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Post by TylerDurden389 on Jan 12, 2012 15:23:18 GMT -5
Yeah same here, I forgot as well. Though it was funny seeing the background change like that lol. Interesting use of the RIC dialogue. It definitely works as an endcap to the scene, since you said you don't like the whole "north" stuff. I like the bickering from an acting perspective (always makes me laugh), but I agree that's it's just filler and isn't necessary.
I think your edit works fine as-is, but my only suggestion would be to put the RIC dialogue in for when they're escaping (maybe show another shot of Otis surrounded by guards. I know there's a few more shots of it. The "in balloon" shot of the 2 of them watching Otis for example.) and simply end the scene as the theatrical: "Right, north".
Oh and I like the added sound effects for "the little black box" as well.
**Also, since you put in that little bit of RIC dialogue, any chance some other bits will be added in as well?**
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Post by Kamdan on Jan 12, 2012 17:18:20 GMT -5
I quite liked the prison escape edit. It's going to be quite impressive when you replace the background in those Lester shots. The sound effect for the "little black box" is from the tracking device in the Aston Martin in Goldfinger and I thought it sounded a heck of a lot better that what Thau had.
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Post by booshman on Jan 12, 2012 23:37:20 GMT -5
I quite liked the prison escape edit. It's going to be quite impressive when you replace the background in those Lester shots. The sound effect for the "little black box" is from the tracking device in the Aston Martin in Goldfinger and I thought it sounded a heck of a lot better that what Thau had. Really?, I didn't know that, good spot. the radar sound from the Donner cut that I've replaced sounded like a tricorder from Star Trek TNG. Tyler, there's no dialogue from the RIC in there, the Hackman voice over is from the Lester cut. Jimbo, I cut to the daytime shot briefly just because I prefer the angle used in the lester version which is different to the one in TDC. I'll have a look at the credits too and see what's up. |
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Post by TylerDurden389 on Jan 13, 2012 8:54:15 GMT -5
Tyler, there's no dialogue from the RIC in there, the Hackman voice over is from the Lester cut. Lol, my bad. I haven't watched the theatrical or the Donner Cut in their entirety for years now. |
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Post by booshman on Jan 13, 2012 15:58:12 GMT -5
A couple of new vids. The first is a clip that demobstrates some dialogue isolation I've had a crack at and the second, by popular demand (over on FE.org), is the removal of Otis trying to climb into the balloon after Lex. The first clip still needs some foley adding in for the noises of the balloon and maybe some wind too, but the dialogue and score are done. vimeo.com/35026390vimeo.com/35029546 |
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Post by Conor on Jan 13, 2012 16:46:54 GMT -5
I love em. However, it seems as though Lex kicks the ladder because they'll get caught. I think it makes Lex more menacing if he kicks it first then the guard looks.
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Post by TylerDurden389 on Jan 13, 2012 19:23:56 GMT -5
Doesn't work for me. The edits are too quick and choppy. audio needs works as well. In one shot Lex lifts his leg, the next he kicks the ladder. We need a shot in between.
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