"Superman Lives" stuff

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I will, clearly, help.

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I liked Tim Burton back when he did original films. The current Tim Burton, who just remakes existing properties with Johnny Depp and Helena Bonham Carter all the damn time? Not so much. "Hey guys, this time I'm remaking Schindler's List, with Johnny Depp as Oskar Schindler! And the sheck factory has a faded gothic circus look to it, plus Deep Roy is one of the workers! LOVE ME!"

Yeah, piss off, Tim.

I'm all for seeing a different take on Superman, with a different aesthetic approach, but Superman Lives got so far away from the character with both the designs and the story that I doubt I would've enjoyed it on any level. I'm grateful we never had to endure Zombie Action Figure Superman, played by Nicolas Cage at the beginning of the WTF? stage of his career.

[Metallo]

Ditto on all that, Shiney.

Superman Lives was further away from the core of the character than even the Aronofsky/Miller Batman Year One was from Batman and WB saw fit to cancel that too.

Superman Lives is a fascinating project simply because of how different it is. But different doesn't automatically equal good.

It belongs on the heap of alternate dimension what if movies.

As for Burton he hasn't really impressed me since Sleepy Hollow and maybe Big Fish. POTA 2001 was obviously a money job and it seems like everything else he's been doing is either a fairy tale or a childrens book redone in his style. I also prefer him doing his own things.

My mother loved Dark Shadows growing up so I might take her to see that when it comes out. Could be interesting but on the surface its another movie with Depp and HBC just like you said about his other movies.

[Jor-L5150]

Jan 12, 2012 13:06:36 GMT -5 @shinymarble3000 said:

. I'm grateful we never had to endure Zombie Action Figure Superman, played by Nicolas Cage at the beginning of the WTF? stage of his career.

[Metallo]

Jan 12, 2012 14:40:17 GMT -5 Jor-L5150 said:

the wig/hairline isn't ridiculous enough.

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Yeah, Burton's stuff hasn't been original lately. I wonder what gives. Maybe he's just into the ease and money right now.

[crazy_asian_man]

Yeah, Burton's stuff hasn't been original lately. I wonder what gives. Maybe he's just into the ease and money right now.

Hard to blame him.... But, I am very enthusiastic about his stop-motion film, "Frankenweenie" which is due out.

There was a book called "Burton on Burton" (the other filmmaker books have a similar type of title)- where you get to hear straight from the horse's mouth about what a director feels about his own work over the years. In reading it, it's clear that Burton is one of those types of directors who can tell a story in a great way with a particular flavor and aesthetic.... but it has to be the right type of story.

Unfortunately, he's not muçh of a writer. Imo, "Ed Wood", "Pee-wee's big adventure", "Edward Scissorhands" are probably his best works- although I also liked parts of "Batman" and "Batman Returns" a lot as well.

His other stuff since then? Not so much. "Superman Lives" is fascinating because Burton's aesthetics are so much on the opposite end of what we're used to with Donner's Superman- we would have gotten something visually fascinating, and different, I think.

What's funny is.... because of who Tim Burton is, it's fascinating. There's been a handful of other directors who were also circling Superman (Brett Ratner, McG)- but these designs could have come from them, but the curiosity level wouldn't nearly be as high as from Burton.

Will always wonder what kind of movie was in Burton's head when he agreed to do the film.... I have a hunch that it would only resemble Superman in name only by the end, if his version had come out.

[ye5man]

Big Fish is brilliant; Ed Wood is great, but only about 15% of it actually happened. As a film, I prefer it to "Chaplin" though

Everything else he's done, I'm not bothered about or find it poor.

[Olly H 82]

Im so happy Superman Lives never got made, it would have been the biggest embarrassment to cinema ever!.

Tim Burton is very hit and miss i feel. I love his movie Ed Wood but his recent efforts have been a bit meh.

[Metallo]

Jan 13, 2012 1:48:13 GMT -5 crazy_asian_man said:

Yeah, Burton's stuff hasn't been original lately. I wonder what gives. Maybe he's just into the ease and money right now.

Hard to blame him.... But, I am very enthusiastic about his stop-motion film, "Frankenweenie" which is due out.

There was a book called "Burton on Burton" (the other filmmaker books have a similar type of title)- where you get to hear straight from the horse's mouth about what a director feels about his own work over the years. In reading it, it's clear that Burton is one of those types of directors who can tell a story in a great way with a particular flavor and aesthetic.... but it has to be the right type of story.

Unfortunately, he's not muçh of a writer. Imo, "Ed Wood", "Pee-wee's big adventure", "Edward Scissorhands" are probably his best works- although I also liked parts of "Batman" and "Batman Returns" a lot as well.

His other stuff since then? Not so much. "Superman Lives" is fascinating because Burton's aesthetics are so much on the opposite end of what we're used to with Donner's Superman- we would have gotten something visually fascinating, and different, I think.

What's funny is.... because of who Tim Burton is, it's fascinating. There's been a handful of other directors who were also circling Superman (Brett Ratner, McG)- but these designs could have come from them, but the curiosity level wouldn't nearly be as high as from Burton.

Will always wonder what kind of movie was in Burton's head when he agreed to do the film.... I have a hunch that it would only resemble Superman in name only by the end, if his version had come out.

The Burton/Peters team seem to come from a place of disdain for the classic Superman. Seems like a huge mistake to hire someone like that to relaunch the franchise and take it to new heights.

You don't have to be a huge fanboy but don't look down your nose at the character as is. I'm fine with a new take on an old idea but like others have said Burton got so far off the beaten path that he got lost in the woods. It was getting to a point where it was Superman In Name Only. In that case whats the point in even calling in Superman?

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Well, now he himself is actually talking about Beetlejuice coming back. He's talking to some screenwriter about it and seems excited about the prospect of doing it. I mean, it's not original, it's a sequel, but as long as it's not a rehash, I'm fine with well made sequels. I would LOVE to see Keaton back as Betelgeuse.

[Jimbo]

Once TDKR is over, I'd love to see Keaton back as Batman for an adaptation of The Dark Knight Returns. Tim Burton...eh, either way. But definitely get Danny Elfman back.

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That's....that's all I want...

Imagine how incredible that would be.

[crazy_asian_man]

You guys probably saw this...

www.mtv.com/news/articles/1677141/tim-burton-dark-shadows-frankenweenie.jhtml

[Metallo]

I also want Michael Keaton for that Batman Beyond movie WB hired Paul DIni and Alan Burnett to work on. It could be a sequel to The Dark Knight Returns ;D

As for Bettlejuice 2...I hope it happens. Make-up can easily hide Keatons age. Maybe bring Winona Ryder back as a hot all grown up goth Lydia.

Surely the Maitlands have moved on by this point. Maybe Lydia's parents have moved out and a new couple moves into the house? Or they take it full on into the afterlife.

If When Ghostbusters III never happens hire Dan Aykroyd and Bill Murray to make an awesome cameo to clean ol' Beetle out of the house. That way Dan can get the pipe dream out of his system. Keaton vs Murray? I'd buy that for a dollar ;D

[cypher85]

God, I would love a BeetleJuice sequel. Anyone here about this idea that was floating around during 1990. I don't know about this

From Wikipedia

In 1990, Burton hired Jonathan Gems to write a sequel titled Beetlejuice Goes Hawaiian. "Tim thought it would be funny to match the surfing backdrop of a beach movie with some sort of German Expressionism, because they're totally wrong together", Gems reflected. The story followed the Deetz family moving to Hawaii, where Charles is developing a resort. They soon discover that his company is building on the burial ground of an ancient Hawaiian Kahuna. The spirit comes back from the afterlife to cause trouble, and Betelgeuse becomes a hero by winning a surf contest with magic. Michael Keaton and Winona Ryder agreed to do the film, on the condition that Burton directed, but he became distracted with Batman Returns.

Burton was still interested with Beetlejuice Goes Hawaiian in early 1991. Impressed with Daniel Waters' work on Heathers, Burton approached him for a rewrite. However, he eventually signed Waters to write the script for Batman Returns. By August 1993, producer David Geffen hired Pamella Norris (Troop Beverly Hills, Saturday Night Live) to rewrite. Warner Bros. approached Kevin Smith in 1996 to rewrite the script, though Smith turned down the offer in favor of Superman Lives. Smith responded with, "Didn't we say all we needed to say in the first Beetlejuice? Must we go tropical?" In March 1997, Gems released a statement saying "The Beetlejuice Goes Hawaiian script is still owned by The Geffen Film Company and it will likely never get made. You really couldn't do it now anyway. Winona is too old for the role, and the only way they could make it would be to totally recast it."

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I'd love it if they did a Beetlejuice sequel that completely accepts the ridiculous nature of doing a sequel to a 20+ year old movie. Have Lydia living in an apartment in the city, she calls a plumber to fix a leaky pipe, and for some reason the plumber is Beetlejuice. "What the heck?" "Ah, you know, the economy being what it is, gotta find work where I can get it. I need to go to the truck to get some gaskets, be right back. Oh, and BLAHHHAAH!!! Ha, just messing with ya. I'll have that fixed in no time."

[Valentine Smith]

I would have loved a Beetlejuice sequel 20 years ago. Now it would just be sad. Please...make all of these stop. I have no interest in Ghostbusters 3, Indy 5, Rambo 12, or any of this shit.

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But at least Beetlejuice is ageless, himself, so I mean, there wouldn't be the awkward dealing with time kinda thing. I'd take a Beetlejuice 2 over ANY sequel of an old hit.

[Jimbo]

Shut up, Val. Keaton is awesome, and deserves more work!

[Valentine Smith]

I agree. But there is no way that a Beetlejuice 2 could be:

a) good

or

b) not crap (tm & copyright ATP)

It's not that I want these actors to go away, but there's a time when they have to stop revisiting the same roles/same kinds of roles, because it just becomes pathetic.

Look at it this way. The Who is arguably my favorite band ever. Their early, angry, anthemic tunes pretty much helped shape who I was in my teens and twenties. But I have no interest in seeing a 70 year old Roger Daltrey singing lyrics like "hope I die before I get old" or other songs from that era, because it simply doesn't make sense anymore.

[Metallo]

So...no past its prime BJ for you?


This movie has a high probability of being poor. At this point its not something I have to see but I'd be cool with it if it happened.

Val has a point. Oscar and Felix being an odd couple in 1968 was pretty damn funny. Oscar and Felix being an odd couple in 1998 was kind of painful to watch. Just not the same.

Its just like Bill and Ted III. Can that work now?

Its a real question on whether or not the time for it has passed and can that style of movie work today. I want the Beetlejuice I loved from 88 not some updated bullsh*...but its 2012. Then again maybe its one of those sequels where its just the right time for a nostalgic return.

On a scale I'd say I have higher hopes for B2 than Ghostbusters III.

[Jor-L5150]

Jan 13, 2012 14:36:23 GMT -5 Jimbo said:

Once TDKR is over, I'd love to see Keaton back as Batman for an adaptation of The Dark Knight Returns. Tim Burton...eh, either way. But definitely get Danny Elfman back.

here here !!!

[Valentine Smith]

I'd love to see Roger Moore come back for one more run at James Bond! It'd be awesome! He'd make some joke about his viagra before nailing Betty White. It'd be just like all the great Bond stuff I loved as a child!

[Metallo]

Jan 14, 2012 19:08:36 GMT -5 Valentine Smith said:

I'd love to see Roger Moore come back for one more run at James Bond! It'd be awesome! He'd make some joke about his viagra before nailing Betty White. It'd be just like all the great Bond stuff I loved as a child!

Pfft...that movie was already made. It was called A View To A Kill. Roger Moore looking like he was itching to spit his dentures out and break a hip humping Tanya Roberts.