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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2012 13:22:44 GMT -5
I'm not talking about Ex Machina or Watchmen or anything that's always going to show up in a top twenty graphic novels list.
I want to know what you folks think is required reading for DC and Marvel characters. The important stuff from their past. The necessary stuff. Like old school Iron Man or Fantastic Four or X-Men or Hulk, Avengers, all those Marvel characters. Same for the DC guys. None of the Death of Superman or anything later than that, really. No Year One Or Dark Knight Returns or Knightfall or whatever. The old school necessaries.
What say youse?
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Apr 27, 2012 13:50:04 GMT -5
...hhmmmmm....
for superman:
- "for the man who has everything"
and "whatever happened ot the man of steel"
by alan moore.
- 'kryptonite nevermore/sandcreature"
GREAT 70's era arc.
- "EXILE/warworld"
(heck, anything from byrne to doomsday)
- "all star superman"
(val would have a similar list as me)
for batman:
- "son of the demon"
rha's al ghul in a definitive batman story
for iron man:
- look for a terrific story of the FIRST time iron man fought sub-mariner, by stan lee and jack kirby. GREAT story. back in the late 60's.
it's been in various reprint TPBs.
misc marvel:
-the captain america vs wolverine, from a late-80's annual.
VERY good. wolverine was ascending as THE "kewl" character and had not yet been over-exposed.
needless to say they do not get along.
-daredevil #7
1st appearance of the red suit- and he fights sub mariner. sounds uneven, but stan lee and wally wood make it work.
- 1st silver surfer vs Thor
can;t remember the issue, will look it up ( ihave it in a reprint)
basically Loki tricks surfer into taking on thor. gorgeous art by sal buscema in his prime.
at the time, Thor was basically the gateway between the superhero genre and the medieval fantasy of conan. great story.
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Post by ShogunLogan on Apr 27, 2012 15:06:16 GMT -5
Uncanny X-men 108-143. The entire Claremont/Byrne run.
Wolverine (ms) 1-4. Claremont/Miller. Supposedly the basis for the next movie.
Daredevil 227-233. "Born Again" by Miller.
Daredevil V2 1-8. "Guardian Devil" by Kevin Smith.
Amazing Spider-man 229-230. Vs the Juggernaut.
Amazing Spider-man 248.
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Post by Valentine Smith on Apr 27, 2012 18:22:50 GMT -5
Iron Man: Armor Wars. Just good, dumb, 80s Marvel fun. They could either make this Iron Man 4 or Avengers 2 or whatever if they wanted to.
Captain America: War and Remembrance. Roger Stern and John Byrne. Can't beat it. Absolutely one of my favorite Captain America arcs.
Pretty sure you've already read Daredevil: Born Again, but really, this can't be recommended enough. Miller's entire DD run is collected and worth reading.
Marvel has a great series of cheap trades called "Visionaries". Through these you can (and SHOULD) read the following...
ALL of Walt Simonson's Thor. These are the best Thor comics ever. Yes, as good/better than the Kirby stuff.
John Byrne's Fantastic Four. Second only to the Lee/Kirby stuff for me.
Peter David's Incredible Hulk. I haven't read much of this, but what I have read, I've loved.
The aforementioned Miller DD and Claremont/Byrne X-Men are in these as well.
Also, really, this SHOULD go without saying, BUT...
Marvel Masterworks: ALL of the Lee/Kirby FF Volumes and ALL of the Lee/Ditko Spider-Man volumes. The Ditko Spidey is just so...quirky and bizarre. Reading them now, they feel like offbeat indy superhero comics. The earliest Lee/Kirby FF stuff is a little rough, but once you hit Volume 3, and Joe Sinnott starts inking Kirby, shit just goes into insane cosmic overdrive. And they only get better from there.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2012 1:38:12 GMT -5
EXCELLENT, boys! Precisely what I was looking for. Huzzah! Anything old school for DC like that other than what's been mentioned?
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Post by Valentine Smith on Apr 28, 2012 7:10:31 GMT -5
Fourth World Volumes 1-4. As far as I'm concerned, Jack Kirby's masterpiece both conceptually and artistically. Star Wars, He-Man, everyone...ripped this shit off. Half the stuff you love about the DCU got its start in this. This is where you first meet Darkseid and crew. It's just an insane idea factory. On literally every page, Jack introduces a concept that most creators would take an issue to develop.
DC just collected in hardcover the complete Marshall Rogers/Steve Englehart Batman stuff, including their early 70s Detective Comics run, which are just about the finest Batman comics EVER produced.
DC has been far less dilligent than Marvel about collecting their pre-Crisis runs, other than in Showcase Presents volumes, but they're getting better. Jor mentioned the Sandcreature run, which is quite good.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2012 17:17:32 GMT -5
Okiedokey! Just bought a shit ton of shit that I have no reason buying because I have 225 issues of The Flash to read.
I got:
Wolverine (The Japan story, never read it)
Daredevil: The Man Without Fear
Marvel Masterworks Vol. 1's of:
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Avengers
Captain America
Daredevil
Fantastic Four
Incredible Hulk
Invincible Iron Man
Mighty Thor
X-Men
God, what....what's wrong with me...
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Post by Jor-L5150 on May 3, 2012 18:52:00 GMT -5
;D ever see an old TPB called "marvel's greatest super hero battles" ? its wonderful. a hodge-podge of 60's/70's marvel. if you ever see it a shop GET IT- even if it's a battered ol torn up copy like mine. - first hulk vs thing - first iron man vs sub mariner - first avengers vs fantastic four - first daredevil in red cotume - first x-men vs blob - silver surfer vs thor - some "meh" stuff cool, cornball stuff. each story introduced by stan.  |
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Post by eccentricbeing on May 3, 2012 19:07:17 GMT -5
Those Masterwork paperbacks are the best. In color with that sheen paper....all at great prices too. The way it should be read as oppose to the Essential books.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2012 19:23:10 GMT -5
VERY good prices. Those DC Archive books are ridiculous. Fifty bucks? Bah!
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Post by Valentine Smith on May 3, 2012 20:09:46 GMT -5
unless I'm mistaken the Cap masterworks reprints the Tales of Suspense stuff from the 60s, right? Those are the best Captain America comics EVER, and feature some INCREDIBLY dynamic Jack Kirby artwork. The fight scenes are insane.
Early Iron Man stuff is kinda rough.
First volume of FF is also kinda rough, but trust me, by the time you get to volume 3 or so, shit goes into orbit. Same with Thor. Lee/Kirby FF, Lee/Kirby Thor, and Lee/Kirby Captain America pretty much IS Marvel Comics. Unbelievably good.
That early X-Men stuff is...not great. Some great Bill Everett and Wally Wood artwork on the early Daredevil. Not sure when Gene Colan came in, but he rules.
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Post by eccentricbeing on May 4, 2012 4:20:09 GMT -5
X-Men gets better with The Uncanny X-Men. Reading the first issues, though, gives you a perspective on how far that comic has gotten. The X-Men universe alone is pretty damn vast.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2012 12:11:51 GMT -5
Is there a recommended order I should read the ones I got in? I already got the Avengers but I don't want to read it yet if I'm supposed to read the character books first.
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Post by Valentine Smith on May 6, 2012 12:35:46 GMT -5
It doesn't really matter. Continuity was completely unimportant back then.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2012 13:21:37 GMT -5
Excellent.
Now.
Die.
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Post by Valentine Smith on May 6, 2012 13:24:17 GMT -5
However, if you MUST...the proper order would roughly be:
FF
Hulk
Thor
Spidey
Iron Man
Avengers
Cap
X-Men and DD exist somewhere outside of that.
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Post by eccentricbeing on May 6, 2012 23:50:54 GMT -5
It's official now....this is going to be my summer of comics. After watching The Avengers, I'm going in balls deep now with Marvel. Just ordered some Uncanny X-Men masterworks to get me into the groove...I haven't read that stuff since I was 17! Maybe we'll take a trip to a store when we meet up.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2012 1:38:43 GMT -5
Let's go to Jim Hanley's Universe. I think it's my favorite shop in Manhattan.
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Post by Valentine Smith on May 7, 2012 6:20:22 GMT -5
I'm always, ALWAYS down for a trip to a comic shop.
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Post by ShogunLogan on May 7, 2012 11:13:07 GMT -5
With the revelation of the post credits in the Avengers movie...you may want to pick this up as well:  |
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2012 11:28:45 GMT -5
YES. I've never read that and have ALWAYS wanted to.
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Post by cypher85 on May 7, 2012 12:27:50 GMT -5
Infinity Gauntlet in Odin's trophy room in Thor  |
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2012 12:35:54 GMT -5
AH! So it IS in the movies! Is that a deleted scene or is it in there for just literally a splitsecond?
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Post by cypher85 on May 7, 2012 12:59:11 GMT -5
Just a split-second, blink and you miss it moment.
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Post by eccentricbeing on May 7, 2012 13:10:05 GMT -5
I have absolutely no knowledge of Thanos other than seeing him in Marvel vs Capcom 2.
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