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Post by Jor-L5150 on Jan 26, 2013 18:11:21 GMT -5
Did we need introductory movies for Han Solo, Luke Skywalker, Obi-Wan, and Princess Leia before they could all team up in Star Wars? No. Man, it's a good thing we had all of those movies establishing all of the different bad-asses in Predator, telling us how they got their military training and how Arnold recruited them before they all teamed up in that movie. Oh, wait...that didn't happen either. Flash's origin can be explained in about three minutes of screen time. I don't need half a movie dealing with Barry Allen deciding to put on a red suit. Audiences now accept the superhero archetype in a way they weren't even ready for five years ago. They don't need every detail of an origin spoon-fed to them. I LOVE the idea of WB using a "reverse Marvel" approach. Sure, it could absolutely backfire, but that, to me, has more to do with my lack of faith in WB than something inherently flawed about the approach. Woot! Good answere! |
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Post by Paul (ral) on Jan 29, 2013 9:43:43 GMT -5
Jor...your sig.....wow!
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Post by SupermanUF on Jan 29, 2013 9:52:42 GMT -5
There are basically three things that have to happen for me to feel good about JL:TM--
--Henry Cavill is Superman. I do not want two different cinematic Supermen coexisting at the same time. It's just weird.
--Batman is Bruce Wayne. It's more about how BRUCE WAYNE interacts with everyone, not just some guy in a bat costume. The key part of Bruce Wayne's group dynamic is that although he is a mortal man, he is self-made, and that's where his strength comes from--as well as his resentment towards super-powered beings. I don't care if it's Christian Bale or some new guy, as long as it's Bruce.
--No Ryan Reynolds as GL. He's too goofy. Let Flash be the jokester.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2013 13:42:10 GMT -5
Yeah, agreed all the way. It would be kinda weird to have a Batman that isn't Bruce Wayne in the JL dynamic. Robin wouldn't be a dick to people.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2013 2:03:59 GMT -5
Bale's Batman wouldn't work. Think about it, he worked with just about anyone who trotted up. Blew his cover to Rachel. Desperate to work with Harvey (he goes crazy). Practically stalks Selina (she sells his dumb ass out to Bane). Sleeps with Miranda/Talia and shows her the nuclear bomb deal (boy, that one really bit him in the ass). Didn't question Blake for a second (gives him the keys to the Batcave).
Bale's Batman would team up with Hong Kong Phooey if the motherfucker showed up. A talking dog in pajamas and mask ... fuck it, why not?
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Post by theoj on Jan 31, 2013 5:17:21 GMT -5
I really don't have much faith in a Justice League movie.
And whoever replaces Bale as a new Batman is gonna disappoint.
But I'm up for Gordon-Levitt joining the team as Robin.
So who are your picks for Batman, or more realistically, who do you think WB are eyeing up as a new Batman?
It's gotta be someone who's now in their late 20's ish.
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Post by Paul (ral) on Jan 31, 2013 7:06:36 GMT -5
Did Garfield disappoint when he followed Maguire? Nope.
The right actor won't disappoint. It will be a different take on Batman anyway. One that is confident and self assured in his mission. Kinda like Bale was in Begins. Lets face it...the last 2 Batman films had Bruce trying to find a way for him not to be Batman.
As for JGL as Robin or Batman? Pfff! Dumb dumb dumb.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jan 31, 2013 14:36:03 GMT -5
Maybe not inherently flawed.... but I would think inherently challenging.
I don't know if the Luke/Leia/Solo comparison really addresses the concern that I'm thinking might be out there: that with multiple powers/ different rules for the heroes/etc.--- that an audience unfamiliar with the characters could get lost with so much all at once.
Luke/Leia/Solo were all human beings, with or without the metachlorine whatevers---
But- then again, X-men had a TON of characters/powers/concepts to introduce and Singer made it clear enough for mainstream audiences to back the movie---- and in hindsight, it's amazing HOW well it laid the groundwork down and still told an interesting enough story. So, we know SINGER and Matthew Vaughn can do a group superhero movie, at least...
With George Miller as director, I had enough faith in him, that I didn't freak out about any casting or with the inherent challenges in putting all the cards out on the table right away for these characters.
With no director committed to this project yet- it's a cointoss on whether it'll work at all, of course. I think the worries are- if there have been good directors who couldn't get ONE supehero in a film right, what about getting multiple ones right on the first film?
(I also wonder if any talented directors know the inside story of what went on with WB/Miller and may not want to touch JL with a stick, if he was strung along for the longest time and just loose. Not impossible, but would be pretty sad if the previous situation scares away good directors from it).
If MOS is great, as a sidenote, I forget--- has Snyder expressed interest at all in doing JL?
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Post by Kirok on Feb 7, 2013 12:08:32 GMT -5
Mark Millar on "Justice League": www.ifc.com/fix/2013/02/mark-millar-justice-leagueMark Millar calls “Justice League” an “excellent way of losing $200 million”
Fox's Marvel consultant does not think Warner Bros.' "Justice League" movie is a very good idea.
by Terri Schwartz
Mark Millar isn’t afraid to voice his opinion, but he’s out saying some things that likely won’t make Warner Bros. very happy. The Marvel consultant at Fox and established comic book writer has explained in very great detail why he doesn’t think a “Justice League” movie is going to work.
“I actually think the big problem for them is the characters are just too out of date,” Millar told SciFi Now. “The characters were created 75 years ago, even the newest major character was created 68 years ago, so they’re in a really weird time.”
Of course, some of the characters work just fine on their own. Christopher Nolan proved Batman can still work with his “The Dark Knight” trilogy, and Zack Snyder is likely hoping the same can be said for Superman in “Man of Steel.” But what about the failed “Green Lantern” movie or hoped for “Flash” one? Millar doesn’t think they can work in the modern day.
“I adored the DC stuff growing up but really, how do you do a movie about Green Lantern, his power is that he manifests green plasma from his imagination and uses them as weapons against someone? Even that in itself if you just imagine then watching a fight scene with a guy who’s like a hundred feet away making plasma manifestations fight someone – it’s not exactly raucous, getting up close and personal,” Millar said. “The Flash has door handles on the side of his mask and if he doesn’t wear that mask, I’ll be pissed off, you know what I mean? They’re in a weird, weird situation – if you’ve got a guy who moves at the speed of light up against the Weather Wizard and Captain Cold or whatever, then your movie’s over in two seconds.”
He continued, “You can get away with stuff in comics that in live action’s just a bit sucky — the best one is definitely Aquaman. Aquaman can’t even talk under water. If you think about it in comics it’s fine, you just have a speech balloon, but how do you have Atlantis and people talking under water? Are they gonna talking telepathically? Is it going to be body forms? The actual logistics of each member of the Justice League is disastrous, and you put them all together and I think you get an excellent way of losing $200 million.”
Warner Bros. reportedly wants “Justice League” out in theaters by 2015. Its character roster is said to include Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, Flash, Marian Manhunter and Aquaman, with the villain being Darkseid. It's not so much his take on the JL film, but his take on DC heroes in general. I loved "Red Son," but fuck Millar. He thinks he's Mr. Cool now since he's Fox's creative consultant for their Marvel movies. Well newsflash Millar, Marvel Studios has been the one kicking ass with the properties, not Fox. Don't fuck up X-Men (again) and make good Fantastic Four (and better Daredevil) movie and then you can talk. |
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Post by Valentine Smith on Feb 7, 2013 12:13:03 GMT -5
Why does anyone listen to what that little troll has to say anyway? He's an imbecile.
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Post by Paul (ral) on Feb 7, 2013 12:19:44 GMT -5
A JL movie does need a lot of work and does have an uphill struggle in certain respects...but damn it, it could be so so good if they get the right team and mindset behind it.
Millers thinking is the typical cynical, fanboy crap, preferring to poke fun at character traits that we've been hearing for the past 15 years now.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Feb 7, 2013 12:23:55 GMT -5
I don't mind Millar voicing his opinions- I can get where he might come to some of his conclusions, but I definitely don't agree with them at all.
I like some of his comic work, but his mindset that he can't see how the DC characters can work on-screen actually makes him the worst person to be a consultant to 20th Century as far as the superhero films go.
From what I've seen, much of his work is about deconstructing elements in supehero mythos--- not embracing or enhancing a sense of wonder with them (like Morrison does, though sometimes with a wink)--- so he might have been fine working on something that was written to be the ultimate 'anti-superhero' comic- like 'Watchmen', rather than actually working on (or consulting on) 'REAL' superhero comic films.
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Post by Valentine Smith on Feb 7, 2013 13:17:09 GMT -5
He is the message board troll who managed to get semi-famous. And his comics work isn't even that good.
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Post by MerM on Feb 7, 2013 13:37:05 GMT -5
This man oozes credibility; he used the word "sucky".
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Post by Jimbo on Feb 7, 2013 13:51:56 GMT -5
Well, isn't it? This is WB, after all.
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Post by MerM on Feb 7, 2013 18:17:13 GMT -5
www.avclub.com/articles/warner-bros-rumored-to-have-scrapped-its-justice-l,92209/ After many months of directors turning down the project, reports that studio executives were increasingly hesitant to go through with it, and, presumably, intermittent screenings of Green Lantern, Warner Bros. may be scrapping its Justice League script and heading back to the rushing-into-theaters board. That’s the rumor over at Badass Digest, anyway, which quotes “multiple sources” in saying that the screenplay from Gangster Squad writer Will Beall—a Darkseid-focused story that’s been bluntly described as “terrible”—has been abandoned, with the future of the DC superhero team-up now even more in question than it already has been, pretty much ever since it was announced.
Again, this is just a rumor at this point, but it does fall in line with the general, darkening mood around the project that Mark Millar—who, in his position as creative consultant at Marvel, certainly has reason to trash it—recently called “an excellent way of losing $200 million,” given the “disastrous” logistics of reintroducing so many characters who haven’t made a successful transition to the screen. Anyway, Badass Digest claims that some at Warner Bros. believe this may be the final step to Justice League completely falling apart, while others believe the studio is still “unwilling to lose the superhero arms race.” And, of course, some others believe it already lost that superhero arms race somewhere around May 2012.
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Post by Scissorpuppy on Feb 8, 2013 13:52:06 GMT -5
If Man of Steel is a hit, WB will throw money at Zack Synder to become the director of JL. To think, 2 years ago this guy had two flops on his hands. He really has rode the success of 300 to the bank, MOS is make or break for future DC films and Synders big budget career. The funny thing is, the WOM will bring in the big dollars, but that opening weekend will be because of one thing "From the makers of The Dark Knight Trilogy". Mr. Synder your opening weekend is being handed to you, now will your film carry the rest of the way? Let's hope so for DC films sake.
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Post by Jimbo on Feb 8, 2013 14:02:14 GMT -5
MOS has to do at least 80M opening weekend for WB to be happy.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2013 19:52:22 GMT -5
It'll do $120. They'll be happy.
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Post by eccentricbeing on Feb 8, 2013 20:07:34 GMT -5
I don't see how this movie will make less than $100 million on its opening weekend unless it gets critically panned.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Feb 9, 2013 4:08:43 GMT -5
Could be a lot worse, actually.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2013 15:58:30 GMT -5
This movie will never happen, and it's probably for the best.
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Post by Gandy on Feb 9, 2013 16:48:18 GMT -5
Justice League is so hard to do. Marvel have a long term plan and every movie since Iron Man has been about getting the characters to the Avengers initiative. I think Warners have to wait and see how MOS does, then focus on a new Batman, and then have a Superman and Batman movie.
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Post by botz1 on Feb 9, 2013 16:55:22 GMT -5
It'll do $120. They'll be happy. 120 Dollars??? hahahahaha.. That more than what SR made so WB will be greatly happy... |
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Post by Paul (ral) on Feb 9, 2013 20:29:50 GMT -5
I don't agree that WB have to follow Marvel's plan.
Before the current Marvel films did Joe Public know who Thor (not the Nordic myth) was? Did they know who Iron Man was? Captain America? No, no, maybe.
WB may suck at getting movies going, but to their credit there is a whole generation built up, thanks largely to video games and the likes of Smallville who know who Flash is, who Superman is, who Wonder Woman is. Public awareness of DC's big 3 now is far far greater than what Marvel's was initially.
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